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HenryWilcox said:
This is a very good point - and as you say you can't make someone seek help, only encourage them.
To that end, I think the best approach is showing them that the various things they are struggling with all have a name and a cause - in my limited experience I have seen that when someone sees a list of 'symptoms' of their condition they often have a moment of clarity where they realise that this might be an explanation. And knowing what is going on with yourself is very empowering.
So while I don't have a list of 'helpful resources that don't look like help' I think a clear description of what signs of mental illness look and feel like would go a long way to helping someone in denial.
For example - something like this might well be helpful in guiding someone to realise that what they're living with isn't 'normal':
https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/mental-health/anxiety#symptoms
https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/mental-health/depression#symptoms-and-causes-of-depression
Of course at the end of the day we can't help someone who doesn't want help, but having this information available in some form could nudge someone who is getting to the point of realising they're not coping.
Potatoman-J said: A lot of people either A. Don't admit they have a problem, or B. Don't like doctors. So, I'd like something someone can use for a suffering person and they don't know it's a doctor or official mental help organization right away.
This is a very good point - and as you say you can't make someone seek help, only encourage them.
To that end, I think the best approach is showing them that the various things they are struggling with all have a name and a cause - in my limited experience I have seen that when someone sees a list of 'symptoms' of their condition they often have a moment of clarity where they realise that this might be an explanation. And knowing what is going on with yourself is very empowering.
So while I don't have a list of 'helpful resources that don't look like help' I think a clear description of what signs of mental illness look and feel like would go a long way to helping someone in denial.
For example - something like this might well be helpful in guiding someone to realise that what they're living with isn't 'normal':
https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/mental-health/anxiety#symptoms
https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/mental-health/depression#symptoms-and-causes-of-depression
Of course at the end of the day we can't help someone who doesn't want help, but having this information available in some form could nudge someone who is getting to the point of realising they're not coping.
And that many people on here are or have gone through it too ideally ones who have been able to overcome it and get their "happily ever after."
As someone who has suffered this since the beginning on here (08? Ish?) and only just found this section a fee months ago!!! I would LOVE a spot on here based around mental health, so others can seek help on here from people with similar issues and with the knowledge to help or advise. That way too users are less likely to be approached from random strangers on their pages/inbox with their problems!
Speaking as someone who's had mental health issues, I'd love a support group where people could openly discuss their love of WAM. Also I think a meeting with a group of people who enjoy getting messy would be a great ideajust having a fun time covering each other in messy things with no judgment would really help 
MessyMeetings
newpieguy09 said:
As someone who has suffered this since the beginning on here (08? Ish?) and only just found this section a fee months ago!!! I would LOVE a spot on here based around mental health, so others can seek help on here from people with similar issues and with the knowledge to help or advise. That way too users are less likely to be approached from random strangers on their pages/inbox with their problems!
As someone who has suffered this since the beginning on here (08? Ish?) and only just found this section a fee months ago!!! I would LOVE a spot on here based around mental health, so others can seek help on here from people with similar issues and with the knowledge to help or advise. That way too users are less likely to be approached from random strangers on their pages/inbox with their problems!
this subgroup (and THIS thread itself) seems to basically be THEE spot for that? As it was, (did you read ALL the previous postings in this thread??) this subgroup was actually "relationships" until MessMaster renamed it in July 2019...
...i will have a better signature, eventually!
I signed up to fundraising for MIND, as I'm autistic (Aspergers) and have previously suffered poor mental health issuesI'd love to do a Messy4Mind shoot to promote the cause (Also I love getting wet and messy) and this would be the perfect excuse to do that without people thinking I'm weird
Maybe you could invite people to come and get messy with you guys, you could film it while they're telling the viewers what they're doing and whyafterwards they could just have fun with whatever messy things are left, and donate a certain amount for each one they use
Maybe you could invite people to come and get messy with you guys, you could film it while they're telling the viewers what they're doing and whyafterwards they could just have fun with whatever messy things are left, and donate a certain amount for each one they use
MessyMeetings
UltimateShampooTest said: I'd love to do a Messy4Mind shoot to promote the cause
While I'm sure your heart is in the right place, please don't work with Messy4Mind.
https://umd.net/forums/please-help-stop-messy4mind
Henry, that's in the locked forum for only store owners though, Maybe want to sum up a little bit.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
Potatoman-J said: Henry, that's in the locked forum for only store owners though, Maybe want to sum up a little bit.
Thanks, I didn't realise it wasn't open.
Quoting that thread:
First of all, It is Penny Banks who has done the exhausting and gut wrenching research and found all the evidence on this - I am merely a messenger here and trying to make sure as many producers as possible keep an eye out for this guy, so I said to Penny I would write a post for UMD as understandably this has been tiring and upsetting and Penny is running on empty right now.
I'd also urge you all to complain to the charity Mind about him too - here https://www.mind.org.uk/about-us/contact-us/get-in-touch-feedback-compliments-and-complaints/
The basic gist is - Tom Mills, the guy behind the Messy4mind twitter, insta and fb accounts regularly harasses and obsesses over underage girls and gets them to get slimed all in the name of charity
He uses the charity and his own mental health as heavy manipulation to get them to do what he wants, including things like hugging them after being slimed. There are other men and women - mostly women it seems, that he has endlessly harassed via email and DM
Penny has tried on a few occasions to get the charity Mind to do something about him, but they have been very wishy washy in their responses
he is also suspected of stealing charity money to pay for 'cameo' videos from celebrities, endorsing his efforts, making him look more genuine.
This is not a guy who thinks messy stuff is merely innocent fun. People gunged have reported noticing his erection and he has also enquired about and bought messy adult content on several occasions
so please, complain to Mind about him, call him out endlessly if you see him come crawling back, take any opportunity you can to offer a safe space for anyone who has yet another story about him harassing them, believe them and lets make it clear to the world that wam fetishists believe in enthusiastic consent and participants being over 18 ONLY
I urge you also to please take the time to read the entire twitter thread where all the collected evidence is plain to see
twitter thread https://twitter.com/PennyBanksWAM/status/1374447770744987653
Unroll version https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1374447770744987653
and thank you Penny for your bravery here and hard work x
UltimateShampooTest said: Speaking as someone who's had mental health issues, I'd love a support group where people could openly discuss their love of WAM. Also I think a meeting with a group of people who enjoy getting messy would be a great ideajust having a fun time covering each other in messy things with no judgment would really help
Could really use this right dealing with grief
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