August 2020 is when the incident happened, One week after Lisa and I separated.
I was not interviewed until the December of that year.

This was a major disadvantage, as I couldn't be as sure about the exact specifics of the day as i would have been when my accuser was interviewed a week after the events of that day.

Sorry Leon as a member of admin I am trying to remain as impartial as possible but in my eyes and others pleading guilty when you had a chance of proving your innocence sends out the wrong message
We all know that Michael Jackson case with the kid being paid off rather than fighting his corner made everyone believe he was guilty, different circumstances but same outcome at the end of the day if you were innocent you should've thought for that
If you weren't happy with your solicitor you should've got a new one and had the case adjourned if you believe that you weren't being represented in the right way so unfortunately in my eyes as impartial as I'm trying to stay you have done the wrong thing by pleading guilty when you should've tried to fight this unfortunately whether you did it or not most of us will never know but it would set a bad precedent for you to continue here but that's just my opinion.

Just remember the old saying that today's news is tomorrow's chip wrapping yes you may well have had your life well and truly dug up but you could've then been proven innocent at the same time unfortunately you have either been advised badly or made the wrong decision yourself but for me it's it's uncomfortable with you still being here and personally I don't think you should be here anymore

Hi Leon

I've dropped you a message regarding none nudity

Really hope you are coming out of a very difficult, dark place.
All the very best.

YES, THAT, I had no idea I could do that.
I was desperately trying to contact other solicitors, but none would talk to me as I had one employed, I could not get any advise what to do when my confidence in my solicitor had broken down. People have told me since, but no one would at the time.
I have also been advised to bring about a case against him for malpractice, as I didn't receive a pack from him to explain what to do in exactly that situation.

I think in the interests of fairness we could also ask "If Leon *had* done it, why plead guilty?". Given that this crime, like so many sexual based crimes, is 'he said / she said', and we keep hearing of how tough it is to meet the burden of proof in such cases, it would surely have been difficult for the prosecution to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. So why not roll the dice if you are guilty.

But if you were innocent and didn't want to take it to court for all the reasons Leon actually stated, you might plead guilty. Moreover in the UK legal system, by pleading guilty, you get a lesser sentence which means a jail sentence is much less likely. Another plus for pleading guilty.

Therefore to me it's quite *plausible* that someone might think pleading guilty was the lesser of two evils, especially if innocent and terrified of ending up in jail. I'm not saying that's what happened..I have no idea..but it certainly seems plausible. It seems possible.

The model has quite rightly been heard and the justice system has pronounced, as it should. Leon will have to live with the consequences of his guilty verdict, whether deserved or not, for a long time But *we* can't know what actually happened..we haven't seen the evidence (beyond the testimonies of both parties) and the evidence hasn't been tested by a court (as Leon pled guilty).

Only Leon and the model will know what actually happened. Leon has received his punishment from the courts (which will stay with him for years..deservedly if guilty of course, but not if he is actually innocent) and his marriage is over... so I don't see any positive in then banning Mostwam from UMD as some are saying.

I am always wary of pile-ons in these situations when none of us on the sidelines can actually know the truth. For me I always think 'there but for the grace of God go I'

Leon seriously come off it you're 48 years old not 12
I'm assuming you watch TV or are you now going to say you don't, there are plenty of programs on there every day of the week from films to TV shows even real life reality where you will see these cases come up where people will get a new legal team at the drop of a hat, to me it just seems that there is an excuse after excuse as to why you didn't didn't change this or didn't change that personally your story seems to differ every time you comment from first blaming everyone else in your child then suicide now it's the solicitor can you weren't a voice come off it if you're going to tell a story at least keep it consistent as you are even winding me up now Play me everyone but yourself at the end of the day there's no smoke without fire you put yourself in a situation which whether you were guilty or not you should've known better than to do

I don't think banning Mostwam is the right course of action also.

UMD moderators will have to make that decision, hope they can communicate with Leon and have a good dialogue to understand more clearly than we can publicly on the forum.

I understand both sides and I don't think this is an easy decision.

I will always go back to the fact that mostwam are continuing to film content, long after this event has happened and the girls and the crew are still happy being there... for me that carries a lot of weight... especially for the fact that we wil never be able to know the full truth.

I don't think banning MostWam completely is fair to everyone else who works for it either, even if Leon is to blame here. Lots of other people work for MostWam, and they were still able to continue filming content, so conditions at MostWam can't be that bad. I don't think an isolated incident we don't know the full details of means everything to do with MostWam should be erased. I don't see how that's fair.

I am a 48 year old, who, had NO EXPERIENCE of how the legal system works, it is nothing like TV, just hire a new legal team, simple as that? On the day, just 10 minutes before you are in court to plead guilty to an offence.

My solicitor only convinced me to plead guilty a few days before my plea hearing.
I was in a room at the court with my father, my solicitor and my barrister, I had been told to ask the barrister to speak to me in confidence, as an employee of the court i was told he should agree to that, he refused to do so, which made me have to confront my solicitor to his face, resulting in him saying I would be remanded until trial and I would have to go in to make my plea without representation. I was mislead.

After I plead guilty, no one would work for me and again, as I still had a lawyer, no one would even give me any advice.

After the fact and having now received advice, yes, that is exactly what i should have done.

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My own feeling is we have to apply a much higher evidential standard than that, before we ask to remove someone who has been on UMD for umpteen years without issue.

I don't know much about this case, but I'm pretty certain real life doesn't work the same way it does in movies or TV, especially anything involving legal work. Seems like a rather bizarre point to make, especially in a situation as serious as this.

I think most people know on here that Mostwam is my WAM... there are a few other producers that I buy content for and support but predominantly it is mostwam.

I am a massive supporter of the company but Leon and Al would probably attest to... I also a do criticise them, and we also have had our run-ins in the past... I've made mistakes just like everyone... But I believe I am fair in what i say

It would be a sad day for this community and for WAM as a fetish to lose a company that has had a significant part of shaping this fetish over the last 15 years

Leon I'm not comparing your case to a TV programme I'm just saying there is so much information out there now there is frost in front of yours and my eyes every day from dramas to real crime I'm sure you would've known even the basics at the end of the day you didn't get to the position you are in by not being clever I could understand if it was just a simple person that are done wrong but you are at the top of your tree are responsible for employing a lot of people that seem to claim you know nothing about anything when I'm sure most here would realise if a solicitor is not doing for them what they should be doing they can be changed if you feel you're not being represented
Also as I said before there is a lot of blame for everyone else you are throwing around rather than what's actually happened from blaming the model from stating that your child would've found out about it and all the other stuff you have said and I've mentioned it on a couple of occasions but that one's fell on deaf ears

Believe me that I have never met you but dealt with you myself we are in the same game together and should know the rules better than anyone
My partner is equally a producer and films lots of different models over the last 10 years both with me attending and without no point has any physical contact be needed regardless if it was just an innocent thing unfortunately you may have just been to over friendly you stated stated there was lots of flirting going on over the years which may or may not of added to this problem finally arising and just keep blaming everyone else including your legal team just makes you sound more guilty then you may or may not be through your over protesting that everyone else is the blame other than yourself as so far I have not seen a single bit of evidence that suggests that even if it was something innocent that you appear to be apologetic about it instead just come out fighting your corner and blaming everyone else for their actions

The other reason that I'm concerned is the fact that if you state you did it to protect your daughter by now having this on your record do you not think that regardless of whether you did this or not do you are now not going to have follow-ups from places like social services poking their nose in which obviously doesn't sound like you're protecting her from that point of view

Clearly this is affecting you and your marriage as you have stated and possibly even your mental health but honestly how do you have been found guilty rather than pleaded guilty would've been much worse for you anyway because if you have an exceptional clean record beforehand that would've been taken into account and someone else said it's he said she said with no actual proof either way so find it highly unlikely that a prison sentence could've been given without any evidence whatsoever as there is no way of even obtaining DNA from something like that say to me why didn't you fight it and that's my big question

To be clear, I unlocked this thread to allow community debate over the issue as well as to let Leon respond. Admins did initially remove the screenshot and link over concern about doxxing (the street name and town are mentioned), but I restored them from backup since the actual address wasn't in them and I learned it was common journalistic practice to do that in the UK.

I am still watching over this thread, but hopefully by now everyone understands my policy of letting the community make up its own mind about who to support in cases like these, especially where the alleged actions happen completely off-site with nuances that none of us understands. I will not immediately be closing any store or taking any action, but I am listening and taking advice from many people right now. Best wishes to everybody involved in this debacle... I'm sure we'll get through it just fine if we try to stay centered.

This better not be true.

I've sent you a PM, before I read this.

Having read everything Leon has written a few things come to mind. Firstly, why not get out ahead of things and go to MM in the first place and say hey, as a heads up this could come out and people in the forum could find out about this. Here is what happened and here is what you need to know. That way the decisions could all be made without public knowledge and without the pressure on MM that now exists.

The other thought I have had is that while you have worked with a lot of models, I am sure that there are models that you have more friendly relationships with than others. I am not saying anything romantic. I am talking about people that we all have that we work with. For example, I am sure that if something happened to me where there were accusations put against me that had to do with the field I am in, I could call on a few people I work with to testify in my defense as to my standard of work. Yes SA is very different than other crimes and it turns into a he said she said. But for example, is it common place for your models to change in your van after a shoot? If it is common place, having other models speak to your behavior during that time would help you a lot. Unless as has been discussed in the other thread there are other models out there who would have been able to testify for the prosecution. If there were situations that were already questionable.

This also has the disadvantage of being in a situation where porn was shot. When you are doing things like this, how you can be in a situation where you are one on one with someone seems absolutely stupid. Especially in today's landscape. You never have a situation where you are alone with a model. This is something I thought anyone in the industry would know not to do. Because situations like this can happen.

I am not going to tell you how to parent your children because that is all on you. I also do not know how things are in the UK. I can tell you from my experience in the US when I was 9 years old I absolutely knew what sex was and I knew that touching someone in an area covered by their underwear without consent was wrong. I also knew about SA because of situations that happened in my neighborhood growing up. There were houses I was not allowed to go to and people I was told not to be alone with because of what they had done. When I was much older I found out all the details, but at the time I knew that people had been touched in a way that was meant for adults. Because of my upbringing I was told married adults were the only ones that should touch like that.

I wish that the two threads about this topic could somehow be merged or that one could be chosen as the main thread. I do not know what happened, what I will say is that some of the things being said do not add up to me. You are not as we say in the states a country bumpkin that does not know anything. Claiming ignorance feels more like a tactic to try and salvage the customers you have on this site. I will say that some of your decisions seem questionable, as well as some of the decisions by the model. I still go back to the why were you two alone. Was this your first time working together, or had you done many shoots with the model and they felt comfortable and safe being with you alone on shoots until this happened. The other thing I will point out is that at least in the states it has been harder for people to believe women. I will then toss out there how much harder it is for people that work in the sex industry. While I know you are not filming sex, this falls under the same category. Even in the me too era that we are in a lot of people in the sex industry are assaulted and it does not get reported because of the stigma around the sex industry. So to have someone willing to go to court against you given that you have made money doing this for a long time. I know this does not make bank and most people are lucky to see a profit, you have been at this longer than most. The model had to know that there were other people that you could call to testify and that it would be additionally judged because of the work she chose to do. There is something there. Could it have been a misread cue or a situation where maybe some playful banter went a little too far.

My initial reaction though remains the same. I do not think that you should be allowed to participate in the forums given the nature of the charges you are convicted of committing as well as the fact that it was probably something that was meant to be sold here.

Thank you for replying and giving your side of the story Leon.

As to the whole question of why would someone plead guilty when they're innocent, the way I'd look at it is pleading guilty is simply damage limitation based on the advice he was given at the time.

Sadly, safeguarding measures are as much to protect producers as much as they are to protect models.

Hindsight is always twenty twenty.

OK

If I'm guilty or not, only I and the person involved will ever know the truth of what actually happened that day.

Basically, in August 2020 Lisa left me, I do not want to go into detail about what happened, as I can't speak for Lisa and it wouldn't be fair for me to publicly post about such stuff here.
It was lockdown, I was isolated, I was alone and felt my whole world and future had crumbled.

A week later, I worked with one of the girls alone on location, something I have done many times in the past without any issues or problems. I considered this girl a very close friend and I sought solace from this girl, I was wrong, it turned into a misunderstanding which lead to my conviction, I have the conviction, it's there.

I was and am very sorry if the girl was upset by my actions on that day, for whatever reason, and I did apologise to her then and at my conviction.
I believe I didn't break the law, but I did cause her to be upset.

I have been convicted and sentenced to punishment by the law for touching a girls naked breasts without consent, the law has handed me a sentence that they feel is appropriate to my conviction, that sentence being higher as I was her boss.

I got myself into that mess, there were things I should have done, could have done, but unfortunately, I was still reeling and in shock from the love of my life leaving me literally a week earlier.

I am also truly sorry if the UMD feels that I have brought this place in disrepute, we have put everything into place to ensure that NOTHING like this ever happens again.

I'll have to leave it there.

Christ

So we've gone from "I didn't do it, I was protecting my kid" to "actually, I did do it because I was upset"?

I'm not sure how you can stay here and work with people putting their trust in you for fetish work.

I agree with just having one thread about this haha

This one had the news article and has the major response by Leon, maybe merge the two, or just delete the other

Read it again.

I don't understand the whole "utter disgust for nudity" and how it will hold up in court because you have produced some content with nudity.
I know that you prefer clothed women in wambut idk if
Taking the route of that? Is gonna be enough.

I DO understand doing whatever you have to do for your kids.
Period. I get that on a whole other level. I have done some depraved acts for my son to get therapy, a new school and everything he needs as this is my only source of income and I do what I gotta do.

If you DID do it? It seems like it was something completely off character and not your style. Which I think telling the courts what you were going through will prove that even more. They will say "oh okay you were going through all this life altering stuff and you did something out of characterthat makes sense" as far as fighting with your fetish being "non nudity" any man in court is gonna roll their eyes at that. No matter what a therapist or anyone says. Idk the courts there may be different than here.

I honestly don't have any good advice for you other than I GET doing whatever is told of you to get home to your child and being scared.
I get that.
If this is gonna haunt you down the road? You may have to pull out some big guns and hire a better legal TEAM to fight against your counsel and to help you fight in court that you pled guilty out of fear.
That's it.
I don't know if using your non nudity likes will help you much in a court full of men and women who really dont get "kinks" I feel you would do better with just telling them you had bad counsel and feared losing counsel and feared for your child
And want to appeal.
Hope that helps.
If you did do it? Then please take the help they have given you.
That's all I'm gonna say. You have never been forward with me and we talked about me coming over there about the time you said all this happened!
Which is still a wish of mine.
Best of luck either way.
Everyone will have their say.. I'm not saying you did or didn't.
The news article said you wrote her a letter apologizing. Did your counsel tell you to do that? Because that right there is something they will use against you.
Anyhooo. I hope things get better for you if you did or did not do it.
I have no say on whether or not your stores should stay up or not because I'm not an admin and I don't run this place.

You have always been kind to me. So like I said. Either way. If you did? Take the help. Throw in the towel for a bit bc true help comes from letting go of anything that can hold you back.
If you didn't? I hope some of my advice helps.
It does seem super out of character from any conversations I have had with you.

I for one, would love to see Jayce at Mostwam some day

Nice words Jayce

I just have to say, the fact that it is even remotely believable that someone would plead guilty to a crime they didn't commit out of fear of their fetish being made public, depresses me to no end.

Like to someone outside of this community, that sounds completely absurd. And it is. And yet, we all know that for a large portion of ppl here, there is an intense level of unaddressed (and unneccesary) shame over their kink.

I don't want to steer the discussion away from Leon's sexual assault, but I do just want to quickly take the opportunity to once again say; PEOPLE! STOP BEING ASHAMED OF YOUR FETISH! IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL!!!! Nobody fucking cares what you jerk off to at night, and anyone who does is seriously fucked up and not someone whose opinion of you should matter to you anyways.

Which version of the story do I need to re-read?

My take is you knew you were going to court, plead guilty and knew you would be convicted. The fact you never contacted MM and said there may be possible issues after the judgement, knowing that it the UK the local press cover most court cases and be in the public domain. You therefore hoped no one would find out, and carried on as normal as if nothing happened and now when the cat is out the bag, you show little or no remorse and happy to profit from what you do still. The fact you are working with models still comes across as a kid left in a sweetie store. Yes there are 2 sides to every story, but the fact you were prosecuted suggests there was more than enough evidence. I really think you need to take a step back and find another career as you have tarnished your reputation in this whole mess by not coming clean in the first place. It almost as you are using a "Partygate" defence. We all suffer from mental illness at times but you seriously need to get treatment. Sorry to be blunt but just how I see it

Just wondering where you read that?

My god yes.

You are so right, I went over telling Messmaster in my head lots of times, but, I wasn't brave enough to do it yet.

I'm so sorry for not giving you the heads up Derek.



Free

I do think if people don't want to support mostwam anymore then that is absolutely there prerogative, and I completely understand why.

but I don't think they should be banned... if you don't want to support them.... don't click on the threads that are created, don't view their profile and don't buy their contact, simple

and the people that want and choose to support mostwam, the full time and part time girls and staff can continue to do so.

it should not affect anyone's enjoyment on this forum or WAM to whether Mostwam stays... when you can just simply not click and not buy