moeseph said: the internet allows for us to have so much footage of ladies (and men if you like that) getting wet or messy. It just makes me wonder how much of this may have happened in the past that we can't see...

Sleazoid44 said:
Or how much of it IS somewhere on the internet and we don't know its there?

wamtec said:
I think Rudy, Dave and I have a pretty good handle on that situation.

FYI the 12 leading experts on Vintage wam scenes that have occurred in movies and television shows were as follows:
JJ, who ran the Vintagewet website (R.I.P.),
Roger from Aquantics (R.I.P) who provided much of his collection to JJ and Wamtec.
Wetfan Ted G (who also provided his collection of 40's to 50's media to JJ),
AnthonyX from Canada who maintained a database (data from my Wamtec database),
Hurley Coward, the best expert on pies and slapstick scenes,
Rob Blaine (R.I.P.) of MessyFun who used to maintain a booklet of his clip collection,
Tony Keller (R.I.P.) from Switzerland who wrote a book on vintage wet scenes in the 1990s,
Arthur Chappell, who also wrote a book on vintage wetlook
Dave (Waterspaniel) who has his own collection and provided many clips to Wamtec
Rudy from Germany who has his own collection and database records and provided many clips to Wamtec
Michael K of the USA (R.I.P) who was the leading expert on silent films and shared his clips.

... and myself. I am proud member of "The Dirty Dozen" collecting and archiving clips since 1972. Sadly, there are only 3 of us left today, Rudy, Dave and myself. All the others are either known to be deceased or disappeared for many years and presumed to be deceased,

Dave and Rudy are long time friends of mine for over 30 years. Dave is still in touch all the time and provides me with info on 70's and 80's shows that I missed. Rudy is in Germany and is the foremost expert on German cinema and he maintains his own database records and collections as well. I started collecting and saving tv and movie clips in 1972 when I bought the first commercially available VTR machine (as it was called in those days), before Betamax and VHS were invented.My collection was private from 1972 to 1992, until I found several other wet and messy fans and started to catalog my collection of clips.

I have sorted my current database in order of the year of release of each item, from 1904 onward. You can view that list here ...

https://megastore.wamtec.com/MKtempfiles/SortedbyYear.txt

Between the 3 of us, Rudy, Dave and I know most of what is available regarding the history of wet and messy clips over the last 119 years.

The current status of wet and messy clips is as follows:

SCENES THAT WE KNOW OF AND EXIST AND WE HAVE:
= the vast majority of items we have found over the last 50 years of searching

SCENES THAT WE KNOW OF AND DO EXIST BUT WE DON'T HAVE:
= a few dozen items we know exist but we can't get access to the footage and they have not released it. E.G. Sophia Loren's 1967 tv special where she dances into her pool in a flamenco dress and fishnets. UCLA Film and Television Library have that show, but will not release it. There are around 25-30 items like this, and these are listed in my MOST WANTED list.

SCENES THAT USED TO EXIST BUT SEEM TO BE DELETED OR LOST SCENES:
= For example the deleted slapstick scene from The Marx Brothers film "A Day at the Races" or the deleted mud swamp scene from Tarzan Escapes with Johnny Weissmuller and Maureen O Sullivan in deep mud. The scene was deleted in 1936 because it was deemed too scary with the vampire bats, but a full version of the scene was restored and seen at Drive-In Theaters in the late 1950's, but that print has since disappeared and it remains missing today.

SCENES THAT ONCE EXISTED BUT WERE WIPED BY TV COMPANIES: I was lucky to see many such scenes on "live tv" when I grew up in the 1960's, including the wetlook scenes from the lost Doctor Who episode "Fury from the Deep" and Pamela Franklin fully clothed in the bath from the lost tv series "Quick Before They Catch U" in 1966 and the fully clothed pool party scene from the "Sexton Blake" tv series in 1969 (only 1 episode survives today).

UNDISCOVERED SCENES NOBODY HAS FOUND: I keep finding vintage scenes every week that all of us missed and nobody reported. Here is one I found last week from a 1975 film that we all missed....see here at the 24 minute mark ...

https://ok.ru/video/2677866302104

If you want to stay informed of all the new stuff I find every week then follow my daily blog at Patreon.com/wamtec

moeseph said : I also think of amateur stuff as well, especially way back when where video cameras were rare.

wamtec said: ... I keep finding vintage scenes every week that all of us missed and nobody reported. ...

wamtec said:
Tony Keller (R.I.P.) from Switzerland who wrote a book on vintage wet scenes in the 1990s,

Plonk said: there's probably a literal century of pie footage buried out there in a warehouse somewhere. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-do-people-throw-pies

Sleazoid44 said: I wonder if there are outtakes from "The Great Race" in the Warner "vaults" or something. A photo showing an alternate first-hit on Wood has surfaced. The fight took 4 days to film and only runs about 4 minutes in the film. The other hours can't all have been spent moving the camera!

Another film i wish I could find is "The Making of 'The Toy.'" The pie fight that ended up in the Richard Pryor/Jackie Gleason film is awful. The promotional video had much more, including Teresa Ganzel and another young woman heaving pies at each other. I saw it several times in the early day of cable television, as a "fill" item.
The last two videos must be out there somewhere.

wamtec said: The Toy: I did not know that, that there was an alternate take of Teresa getting pied.

wamtec said:
Sadly, there isn't, because the link you quoted refers to silent film era films, and according to Lost Film experts over 75% of silent films are lost due to nitrate decay which dissolved old films. They say ...

"75% of original silent-era films have perished; only 14% of the 10,919 silent films released by major studios exist in their original 35 mm or other formats; 11% survive only in full-length foreign versions or film formats of lesser image quality."

It is unlikely that these lost films are "buried in a warehouse" and most them have dissolved to dust.

Bear in mind the complete version of Laurel and Hardy's "Battle of the Century" was a partially lost film for almost 90 years and only the last reel of the film which had the pie fight existed and the first reel was missing. This was recently discovered but it did not add anything extra to the pie scene, and all it did was to show Lou Costello as a film extra in the boxing match scene,

moeseph said: the internet allows for us to have so much footage of ladies (and men if you like that) getting wet or messy. It just makes me wonder how much of this may have happened in the past that we can't see, either because of lost tapes age or just it never being filmed or photographed? its especially a shame as I love the thought of seeing women in 50s like attire absolutely soaked, but this even just applies to stuff from like just 20 or so years ago from websites or videos that weren't archived.