That is actually massive; yes.

Technically everyone who has submitted or has been nominated needs to be contacted because they submitted/accepted based on belief it was Messtival

The consent doesn't transfer now this is proven to not be the case.

Hopefully Bri etc are fully happy to be involved in the new, name to presumably be changed again process, given her name is now attached to the Sploshcars advert? I guess she'll need to be informed about any new name change/poster too.

Appreciate Jim has a lot to do to get this all sorted, but it's important to make sure everyone is fully informed, this is all above board, and meets all requirements around HSE and GDPR.

Out of respect for Penny and the true Messtival team and due to disagreements with how all this has been handled I will be respectfully stepping down from my nomination for best male performer. I appreciate anyone who voted for me but I can't abide by this situation like I think it's okay.

Yep, there is quite a to do list.
to be honest, a lot on the list is stuff that would be better ran past/through legal - and - well, that is going to add to the cost.

I make the list, not limited to
1) All new name/artwork/branding - on any and every site any form of promo has been done
2) Category names to also be reviewed to see which ones fall foul of IP and either withdrawn or be clearly different
3) All ticketholders to be proactively informed of the event name change and reason why, including making it clear this was never in conjunction with Messtival
4) All nominees proactively informed as above, so they can make an informed decision about withdrawing or proceeding with their nomination
5) Anyone who has submitted content, same applies, so they can make informed decision about it's inclusion
6) Anyone who has volunteered, same applies
7) The venue to be informed that it is not affiliated with Messtival.
8) Admin in general towards the awards which would be required, but also to take in consideration anyone who revokes inclusion due to points 3-7
9) A rehearsal of the event to work out how 27 categories can be done in 2 1/2 hours
10) Somewhere within this an apology to everyone who was misled. Regardless of intent, a lot of people made decisions based on information that was misleading - that is something which actually breaks numerous laws (see my point on running past legal) as well of course being questionable around consent (something very key to the lifestyle)
11) Maybe this should be back at (1) but continuing to work with the actual Messtival team in order to come up with and keep with a resolution that satisfies everyone
12) Actively managing and resolving any complaints from anyone affected by this
13) Ensuring everything is GDPR compliant, this should have always been the case - but - arguably if people sent any info etc believing it was for one organisation that was actually for another then you are not compliant - again - speak to legal
14) On assumption not doing already - seek out further help on things like banned list, ensuring there are sufficient helpers/volunteers, and have a rough plan on how the day will play out - I won't say... so what is closest to being advertised is being delivered, but as close to what you could advertise is delivered.

I appreciate this adds to the cost, but it's definitely important to get this done properly, respecting everyone involved and making sure their rights are met. I'm sure the community would understand if this needed to be delayed in order to allow due diligence to be done and all required steps to be taken, rather than Jim having to work himself into the ground to get this all sorted on a tight deadline.

Respect, and likewise. I had been nominated for the Sunshine category and had submitted a nomination of my own for Maude and Violet Vixen for best oudoors scene, but I'm withdrawing from both, I've messaged Jim to let him know. I believed the event was with Penny's full blessing and knowlege, now that we know that wasn't the case I can't in good conscience continue. Apologies to anyone who voted for me, or for our scene. I've also deleted the promo post I'd made.

Where's Jim? I haven't seen him address the concerns about attendee safety yet. Honestly, while I'm annoyed by what he's done with the name and all, the real deal breaker for me is the safety and well-being of everyone attending. That needs to be the top priority and addressed. The fact the venue didn't have changing facilities and a shower is a massive red flag.

Communication on other platforms has not ruled out legal action over this, and with less than two weeks to go I don't see how this event can realistically go ahead.

We have seen nominees start to withdraw, and it is possible that others may follow suit. Producers and models will have an eye on the commercial aspects of this event and rather than publicising their great work it could be seen by some that any involvement could actually taint their brand.

It seems that since Slippery Skin raised the initial concerns on here there has been no real resolution that suits both parties, and if anything relationships have deteriorated further due to the decision to push ahead regardless. I can see the name has changed, but the problems remain.

Absolutely, sorry - lack of tone on the web in my comment

The 1k is far too low to what the event *should* cost.
I know some stuff doesn't have to be all singing, all dancing, but £1k feels like a total lack of contingency planning
Perhaps, ahem, perhaps a saving grace is the event wasn't attempted to be kept free via sponsorship else there would be sponsors to explain to also.

On one side, some bits goes "I just want to organise something fun for people I like - why do I need to go insurance, and legal and GDPR, etc" and it is a case of, alas, this is the reality.

FYI
https://www.reddit.com/r/WetAndMessy/s/ydhgZFE5Eb

Sorry, I just became aware of this.

I would also like to withdraw my nominations. Sorry to anyone who voted and participated.

Hopefully he'll get around to changing his Instagram at some point too, considering he's still running "Messtival".

This lack of attention to detail does not look good, to be honest - what else has he missed? Other than the name of the event (twice), forgetting to unblock Penny, actually engaging with the Messtival team, responding to any threads here...

Think more about all this and best for all sides to delay this award for a few months or even into new year, so both side sort problems out.

Where agreement is her stepdown from run it and someone ele take over. And we vote again for people

Feel like goes forward with this cause more problem

I know small voice but that me

Dm him as well .

Isn't Sploshmuffin a company rather than an individual?

Nope they are a person who creates their own content

Seems it's a bit of both.

https://purpleport.com/portfolio/sploshmuffinproductions/

Firstly, is this really the point you are choosing to get hung up on and try to challenge?

Secondly, to answer your question - Megan, AKA Sploshmuffin, is the founder and owner of Sploshmuffin productions. Ergo - Sploshmuffin is the model's stage name that she goes by and she has her own production company under that same brand image.

I don't think I'm the one getting hung up on anything. My small number of concise, considered contributions to this thread are in stark contrast to your seemingly endless repetitive and aggressive diatribes.

Well I have been looking at all this with increasing dismay quite apart from the IP issues etc. there seem to be a few things that aren't adding up for me.

As someone who initially volunteered, with less than two weeks to go, I'd be expecting a more detailed breifing on arrangements and facilities by now (rather than "see you there"), not least whether volunteers should get there any earlier to be acquainted with the setup and running order, given the tight time slot for the event overall.

Much as I'm always up for improvisation, and it appears to be arranged more as a private party than 'official event', which I'm fairly cool about, things seem to be vague on facilities a cleanup area within the screening room is so far established (somehow) but not arrangements for changing beforehand as I'd want to change into my intended heels and dress there. Will it be in the gents' while the venue's other screens are in normal operation? (I might find it a giggle, but other patrons might not) etc... among other questions, some of which are similar to as raised by others above. I wouldn't expect Jim to have to field individual DMs about this sort of thing from all and sundry, hence thinking there would be a more detailed briefing to those who signed up (or even an interim briefing given there must still be a lot to do), whether through here or more privately via Eventbrite.

If you believe that manufactured consent from the organiser of a fetish event is ok and should be overlooked and then not held to account or questioned on the safety of this community then I think you should revisit the concept of informed consent yourself. Informed consent is vital in any link space and has been at the heart of most of the various issues that have arisen on here through the years.

Has more information been announced regarding the cleanup area - last I was aware it was going to be a tent? The venue for not have facilities so anything would be makeshift.

In addition- I would expect to see some kind of public liability insurance document available for the event which has been put in place by the organisers. The venue's insurance would not cover the event since messy activities fall outside of their normal course of business that they would be insured for. If this isn't in place then I hope Jim and friends have deep pockets!

Had this been advertised as a (large) private gathering held under its own brand then I don't think anyone here would have any issues - however obviously it would not have drawn the crowd that using the "Messtival" brand has/did.

I don't think (m)any of us are asking Jim to respond to us in DMs however it would be good if he could address the various elephants in the room - particularly questions concerning safety. I would also like to see Jim genuinely own/acknowledge his wrongdoing and a sincere apology to Penny, her team and all those who feel wronged across the various communities he has advertised. I don't feel like that is too much to ask?!

Some bits I think probably not to worry too much in the sense of (I know from my own stuff) sometimes knowing there are volunteers goes into planning but you might not know where and when they're needed until late.
So from that side of things, I wouldn't be massively concerned.

However, as some form of courtesy I would expect at least a "from" and "til" time

However, on the flip - yeah - have folk getting changed been something which is factored in?

Also, there's some bits I'd potentially mentally missed. But the plan on paper seems to be that in a 2 1/2 hour event there's going to be 27 categories and an opportunity to get messy (I think I'd missed some of that as it was in comments)
So categories alone - based on a strict 1pm start (ha!) would give 6 minutes per category to get a 3.30pm finish
Which is nuts and lacks much contingency - and little time for anything else.

But also...
My next thought is actually that even with permission there are laws about what can be publicly broadcast - most content won't be BBFC cleared (understandably so) which means there's a lot of content that venues cannot show - it would be a breach of their license to broadcast it without consent from the local authority
For the best part, most splosh content would pass as an 18 - but anything with, say, an erection - would not.
Is the venue aware of the nature of the content being broadcast?

And then if there is mess play involved
then this is outside the venues insurance (so the event needs their own insurance, which maybe should have anyway) - then there has to be clean up considerations (people and mess) and how the hell is this all being done in 2 1/2 hours?

I definitely feel there needs to be some serious logistical planning in the next... ooh... 11 days.

It's a complete and utter mess... and not the good type

I think if there is to be some kind of 'awards' event, they should move it to being an online thing. Would prevent a lot of the issues being raised. Just my opinion of course.

Clearly Jim has been incredibly naive about the scale and logistics to running such an event, which could have been prevented of course if he had just reached out properly to Penny and her team.

The only way any kind of thing like this should happen again is hopefully when Penny is well enough to run another Messtival.

So I didn't do the research I should have on this, but the plot thickens.

Jim, was this your attempt at this in 2023? With "Penny's advice".
https://umd.net/forums/help-with-london-meet-up

It doesn't look like it went too far.

Was this part of the planning stages/help seeking stages for this event?
https://umd.net/forums/big-day-out-in-london

I noticed here, you advertised having a gunge tank. How many events have you hosted using this tank and how have you handled the cleanup? Would they be ran similar to this event?
https://umd.net/forums/london-m4f

Honestly Jim, just cancel the event.

Right now there is too much animosity, confusion and folks pulling out that I imagine you don't even have one anymore anyway.

I suggest take some time: get things sorted, offer an apology and be transparent about everything. Give it time, then set up another one which is 'all you' and work with producers and models and be totally honest about things. People want events like this and are willing to forgive honest mistakes. It's difficult, but a bit of bravery and humility, this can still be turned around at a later date.

Just don't delete this thread or you may as well delete your account!

Where did I say any of that?

Isn't the middle post the same date as the screen shot was taken (19th July)?

That would seem the logical solution.

Rather than an awards ceremony which seems to have caused so much bitterness I'd like to suggest something different along the lines of what we used to do with Splunches. If somebody was able to source a suitable venue, ideally a discreet isolated outdoor garden or something similar and is also prepared to get involved in organising I'd be happy to do something with the Gunge Tank and Dunk Tank. In the past we've used the Dunk with water to clean up in.

Well since you believe that my posts have been "repetitive with aggressive diatribes" when all I have been doing is challenging Jim to provide an appropriate response to safety concerns and highlighted a lack of informed consent (further backed up by various nominees and nominators withdrawing their support citing this very reason) I thought that was implied?

Let's offer free s*** to an event that has been conceived on a bunch of lies and manufactured consent with no plan in place to ensure the safety of attendees! Seems a logical step