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Filbert McFloop said: While I cannot say for certain, I believe what we have here is something called a "probe", in military parlance. Such things have occurred in the past.
We have had producers (or their representatives) reach out to attempt to determine if the UMD still provides a viable source of income. If sufficient interest is expressed, they return. If they are met with hostility (or mixed opinions), they tend to disappear again.
Is that what's going on here? I consider it likely. I see it as a reconnaissance to see if it's safe. I never personally buy customs, so I feel that my view is reasonably neutral on the matter. If I'm wrong, that's fine. That may not be what's going on here. But I am pointing out some similarities for folks to consider. Caveat emptor, as they say.
We have had producers (or their representatives) reach out to attempt to determine if the UMD still provides a viable source of income. If sufficient interest is expressed, they return. If they are met with hostility (or mixed opinions), they tend to disappear again.
Is that what's going on here? I consider it likely. I see it as a reconnaissance to see if it's safe. I never personally buy customs, so I feel that my view is reasonably neutral on the matter. If I'm wrong, that's fine. That may not be what's going on here. But I am pointing out some similarities for folks to consider. Caveat emptor, as they say.
I have also wondered about that. Or if this was being used to private message the people that were more interested and direct them to another site where they can pay for customs that will never happen and Ariel will once again run away with more money. Just leaving the UMD out of it this time.
gotta love the name calling, no wonder why this forum sucks now compared to the way it used to be. everyone jumps down everyone's throat for every response. No one deserves to be ripped off, all I was saying was we don't know everything and until you've walked in someone else's shoes....don't think you know everything. it will all get worked out i'm sure. some of you act as crazy and wrestling fans
She hasn't been on in the past week, I think at this point we are all just talking to ourselves and perhaps it's time to move on to other, more interesting topics on this forum. Maybe messy topics that make us come here in the first place 
lostthatbet said: Can't say I agree. Some of us have decades of history with her. A week isn't enough. Why try to censor us?
Nobody is censoring anyone here, chief-- it's just worth pointing out that you can either yell into the void here at a user who, going by the reaction this has garnered, may not be coming back after all, or you can go to like, literally any other thread and do anything else.
One of them definitely fits the whole Party Vibe thing better than the other, y'know?
Hey guy's I'm going to attempt to lighten the mood of this thread as best as I can even though I'm aware this has been a sensitive topic for many. I've only purchased a "wrestling " video years ago featuring Ariel and Jayce and since the wrestling was secondary to the sploshing and sploshing isn't really my thing (I'm strictly into WAM Wrestling) I never bothered purchasing from either of them again (no offense, that's just not my thing). Anyway... just a suggestion since there is legit animosity between the two women now and real catfights are a strong money maker wouldn't it be nice if Jayce and Ariel put on a real catfight in the thick mud?! I don't think that's ever been done before. The two could settle their beef AND make a ton of money in the process. I know this is wishful thinking again I'm just trying to lighten the mood. I hope everyone settles their disputes this situation is REAL F**ked up
lostthatbet said:
Nobody is censoring anyone here, chief-- it's just worth pointing out that you can either yell into the void here at a user who, going by the reaction this has garnered, may not be coming back after all, or you can go to like, literally any other thread and do anything else.
Thanks mom, I need someone to tell me what to do. That's exactly what censoring is my guy. You're welcome to find any other thread with a better party vibe, you know? She's been preying on the community for years. Occassionally visciously. Who are you to tell people in a very active thread what to talk about? The party planner?
Let people speak honestly or this community will be her piggy bank to smash and supply for years to come. I'm the one talking about (and to) someone I know. You're the one talking out of school here.
Nobody is censoring anyone here, chief-- it's just worth pointing out that you can either yell into the void here at a user who, going by the reaction this has garnered, may not be coming back after all, or you can go to like, literally any other thread and do anything else.
Thanks mom, I need someone to tell me what to do. That's exactly what censoring is my guy. You're welcome to find any other thread with a better party vibe, you know? She's been preying on the community for years. Occassionally visciously. Who are you to tell people in a very active thread what to talk about? The party planner?
Let people speak honestly or this community will be her piggy bank to smash and supply for years to come. I'm the one talking about (and to) someone I know. You're the one talking out of school here.
That's. That's not remotely what censorship is, kiddo. If you can voice your opinion, you're not being censored. Nobody is stopping anyone from speaking, but we're sort of at the point where everything that can be said already has been, y'know? Safe to say that her comeback has well and truly stalled at this point anyway.
And that's "mother" to you, sonny jim.
lostthatbet said:
That's. That's not remotely what censorship is, kiddo. If you can voice your opinion, you're not being censored. Nobody is stopping anyone from speaking, but we're sort of at the point where everything that can be said already has been, y'know? Safe to say that her comeback has well and truly stalled at this point anyway.
And that's "mother" to you, sonny jim.
Mother, please see:
censorship
/sensrSHip/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: censorship
1.
the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
So the question has to be asked, why are you suppressing my speech? When did we get a thought-HOA?
That's. That's not remotely what censorship is, kiddo. If you can voice your opinion, you're not being censored. Nobody is stopping anyone from speaking, but we're sort of at the point where everything that can be said already has been, y'know? Safe to say that her comeback has well and truly stalled at this point anyway.
And that's "mother" to you, sonny jim.
Mother, please see:
censorship
/sensrSHip/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: censorship
1.
the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
So the question has to be asked, why are you suppressing my speech? When did we get a thought-HOA?
Wait, this... actually counts as suppression of speech to you? Interesting.
We've both been exercising our freedom of speech and posting this whole time, so safe to say nothing is being suppressed, and neither of is exactly contributing anything meaningful to this thread. At this point you're mostly just getting increasingly tilted about nothing and I'm poking fun at how worked up you're getting, despite your having basically the same opinion as most of the community. Like real talk, probably worth stepping back from this thread for a moment and calming down. I know I'm gonna bail on this conversation after this post; I'd advise you to do the same.
Good news is you're certainly on the right website to blow off some steam, so to speak.
So Ariel hasn't logged on in seven days and this thread has wound down to two idiots arguing with each other about the definition of censorship, with some strange roleplay mother-son dynamic forming that I don't even want to begin to unpack. 
Yeah, I'd say it's over. Shit's getting weird...
Yeah, I'd say it's over. Shit's getting weird...
It's not over until WE SAY it's over, lol!! Let her log on and have a chance to respond. I'm eager to hear everything I can. If you don't like the fact that it's still going, unfollow it! Shit, I've got my notifications set to on I've been reading every reply for a week now. I suppose this thread is a reminder that there are consequences for our actions. Both good and bad.
Nicole
Wow. I'd been avoiding this discussion, figuring it would be all kissy-kissy sacharine crap. This has more drama than any soap opera on TV and is way more interesting.
flansomeman said:
Wait, this... actually counts as suppression of speech to you? Interesting.
We've both been exercising our freedom of speech and posting this whole time, so safe to say nothing is being suppressed, and neither of is exactly contributing anything meaningful to this thread. At this point you're mostly just getting increasingly tilted about nothing and I'm poking fun at how worked up you're getting, despite your having basically the same opinion as most of the community. Like real talk, probably worth stepping back from this thread for a moment and calming down. I know I'm gonna bail on this conversation after this post; I'd advise you to do the same.
Good news is you're certainly on the right website to blow off some steam, so to speak.
lostthatbet said:
That's. That's not remotely what censorship is, kiddo. If you can voice your opinion, you're not being censored. Nobody is stopping anyone from speaking, but we're sort of at the point where everything that can be said already has been, y'know? Safe to say that her comeback has well and truly stalled at this point anyway.
And that's "mother" to you, sonny jim.
Mother, please see:
censorship
/sensrSHip/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: censorship
1.
the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
So the question has to be asked, why are you suppressing my speech? When did we get a thought-HOA?
That's. That's not remotely what censorship is, kiddo. If you can voice your opinion, you're not being censored. Nobody is stopping anyone from speaking, but we're sort of at the point where everything that can be said already has been, y'know? Safe to say that her comeback has well and truly stalled at this point anyway.
And that's "mother" to you, sonny jim.
Mother, please see:
censorship
/sensrSHip/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: censorship
1.
the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
So the question has to be asked, why are you suppressing my speech? When did we get a thought-HOA?
Wait, this... actually counts as suppression of speech to you? Interesting.
We've both been exercising our freedom of speech and posting this whole time, so safe to say nothing is being suppressed, and neither of is exactly contributing anything meaningful to this thread. At this point you're mostly just getting increasingly tilted about nothing and I'm poking fun at how worked up you're getting, despite your having basically the same opinion as most of the community. Like real talk, probably worth stepping back from this thread for a moment and calming down. I know I'm gonna bail on this conversation after this post; I'd advise you to do the same.
Good news is you're certainly on the right website to blow off some steam, so to speak.
What do you guys mean you are not contributing to this thread, this sub plot is amazing and soooo reminded me of that scene in oceans 11 when the brothers are fake fighting with the balloons!!!!
Who you calling bud, pal? Who you calling pal, friend? Who you calling friend, jackass?!
jaybee4769 said: Hey guy's I'm going to attempt to lighten the mood of this thread as best as I can even though I'm aware this has been a sensitive topic for many. I've only purchased a "wrestling " video years ago featuring Ariel and Jayce and since the wrestling was secondary to the sploshing and sploshing isn't really my thing (I'm strictly into WAM Wrestling) I never bothered purchasing from either of them again (no offense, that's just not my thing). Anyway... just a suggestion since there is legit animosity between the two women now and real catfights are a strong money maker wouldn't it be nice if Jayce and Ariel put on a real catfight in the thick mud?! I don't think that's ever been done before. The two could settle their beef AND make a ton of money in the process. I know this is wishful thinking again I'm just trying to lighten the mood. I hope everyone settles their disputes this situation is REAL F**ked up
Highly unlikely. She screwed Jayce over hard!
I've dealt with both Jayce and Ariel privately in the past. I'll just say this..Jayce has always been authentic and genuine. She is the exact same person 'offline' as her persona is on this forum. She is sincere and straight up. Ariel was always someone different. She was usually kind of a snatch and tough to work with which really killed me because she was my first WAM crush. (Never meet your idols right?) I'm kinda glad this has come to the surface and people I'm seeing others feel the same about her. Just walk away. Your time is up.
#teamjayce
#teamjayce
Wayne Kerr said: I'm kinda glad this has come to the surface and people I'm seeing others feel the same about her. Just walk away. Your time is up.
#teamjayce
#teamjayce
Agreed. I think those who've suggested Ariel was simply testing the water for a potential return, and has decided against it given the mostly negative reaction, are probably right. She's certainly made no attempt to apologise or explain, which would surely be her first step if her intentions were genuine.
I am going to keep most of what I have to say on my only fans so it is not "public"
That is not a ploy to get fans...that is so I have a platform to tell the whole story and it is not completely "public"
I really hoped that Ariel coming back? I would get to post my content that I love so much, I worked so hard for that she knows is mine and she could post her content with me in it. She doesnt have model releases. I made a contract for the HOuse of Mess. The laws changed in 2021 where contracts dont hold water. She was my best friend, my sister, my family....never in a million years did I think she would hurt me so badly over.....
Im not going to say what it was over....but it was not as dire as what has been said. I spoke to anyone I could around her after what she did to get some answers.
Anyway, I do hope she does what is right, comes back, lets me use MY content and she can use HER content.
I was very bull headed about messaging her. I felt like I shouldnt have to because I was wronged. She even made the comment to "take the temperature" of my whole situation. Temp is? Im hot. MOnths of therapy and I was JUST getting to a place of peace. She jumps back on....I try my best to see this as an opportunity to get back what i lost....maybe she will do what is right.
She is gone again. I actually DID buckle down and message her first after days of awaiting for one from her.....
I kept it to the point and offered her a very reasonable deal so she could start getting some money in and finish up peoples customs and whatever else she needed to do. She doesnt have model releases for me so I was going to have mm and soundguy write them up for all scenes of hers....all of mine.
Shes gone again. she didnt write me back.....I went out on a limb and stretched a boundary I was keeping for my own sanity and still....nothing back.
Ariel, if you read this? For the sake of everyone that feels wronged? For the sake of me? My son? We were like family at one time and you made decisions to make it not that way anymore but? We can agree upon a contract where you can put up videos with my likeness and I put up mine.
This is business and money. I am not going to go into anything else but that. You can redeem yourself, here.
It will take work but people will see your hard work and praise you for it later for fighting the storm you left behind.
If anyone has questions for me? I do only fans live where people can ask me questions. Some I will answer, some? I dont, just purely because I do have a soul in there....
but I keep it pretty real.
I think we all can agree if ariel will undo her wrongs and things left behind that most of her fans (i know a lot of die hard fans) will welcome her back.
PLease do the right thing. If not? Then just take this post down and move along. Do something else. No one else here wants to be let down. Especially me.
That is not a ploy to get fans...that is so I have a platform to tell the whole story and it is not completely "public"
I really hoped that Ariel coming back? I would get to post my content that I love so much, I worked so hard for that she knows is mine and she could post her content with me in it. She doesnt have model releases. I made a contract for the HOuse of Mess. The laws changed in 2021 where contracts dont hold water. She was my best friend, my sister, my family....never in a million years did I think she would hurt me so badly over.....
Im not going to say what it was over....but it was not as dire as what has been said. I spoke to anyone I could around her after what she did to get some answers.
Anyway, I do hope she does what is right, comes back, lets me use MY content and she can use HER content.
I was very bull headed about messaging her. I felt like I shouldnt have to because I was wronged. She even made the comment to "take the temperature" of my whole situation. Temp is? Im hot. MOnths of therapy and I was JUST getting to a place of peace. She jumps back on....I try my best to see this as an opportunity to get back what i lost....maybe she will do what is right.
She is gone again. I actually DID buckle down and message her first after days of awaiting for one from her.....
I kept it to the point and offered her a very reasonable deal so she could start getting some money in and finish up peoples customs and whatever else she needed to do. She doesnt have model releases for me so I was going to have mm and soundguy write them up for all scenes of hers....all of mine.
Shes gone again. she didnt write me back.....I went out on a limb and stretched a boundary I was keeping for my own sanity and still....nothing back.
Ariel, if you read this? For the sake of everyone that feels wronged? For the sake of me? My son? We were like family at one time and you made decisions to make it not that way anymore but? We can agree upon a contract where you can put up videos with my likeness and I put up mine.
This is business and money. I am not going to go into anything else but that. You can redeem yourself, here.
It will take work but people will see your hard work and praise you for it later for fighting the storm you left behind.
If anyone has questions for me? I do only fans live where people can ask me questions. Some I will answer, some? I dont, just purely because I do have a soul in there....
but I keep it pretty real.
I think we all can agree if ariel will undo her wrongs and things left behind that most of her fans (i know a lot of die hard fans) will welcome her back.
PLease do the right thing. If not? Then just take this post down and move along. Do something else. No one else here wants to be let down. Especially me.
Get Messy, Get Wet, C'mon Get Happy!
Ariel said: Hey everyone!
After taking a 9 month hiatus from the fetish model life to deal with some immediately pressing personal business, I'm now settled and able to resume doing what I love.getting messy!
I've had a lot of life changes since I've been gone from the umd. Lots of changes in my personal life and I started working as a bartender, which I love, but I still kept thinking about the umd and eventually being able to come back when I was able and finally I am.
I will be resuming producing and doing customs and will be opening my stores back up soon!
So send me a message here on umd to say hi and stuff. Would love to hear from my old friends and umd newcomers also!
All my love,
Ariel
After taking a 9 month hiatus from the fetish model life to deal with some immediately pressing personal business, I'm now settled and able to resume doing what I love.getting messy!
I've had a lot of life changes since I've been gone from the umd. Lots of changes in my personal life and I started working as a bartender, which I love, but I still kept thinking about the umd and eventually being able to come back when I was able and finally I am.
I will be resuming producing and doing customs and will be opening my stores back up soon!
So send me a message here on umd to say hi and stuff. Would love to hear from my old friends and umd newcomers also!
All my love,
Ariel
Welcome to home
I've waited to respond to this thread while hoping to get Ariel and Jayce communicating. That's proven impossible as both, while willing to talk at length to me, wouldn't inbox each other. I can't really help mediate between two people who won't speak to each other. But Jayce was the one who finally messaged Ariel the other day. But Ariel is just not responding to anyone. She hasn't even been on the site in over a week.
Ariel was never banned, so her reappearance was not challenged by me. She had her reasons for leaving, and her reasons for having Jayce pull content that featured her; That's none of any of our business. And when a model asks to have her content removed, then I have to do that, just on regulations from our billers (not law). Personal spats and business disagreements have no bearing on that, nor do they have a bearing on allowing somebody to come back. It's just not my business.
What is my business is making sure the people here are not getting cheated, and upon Ariel's return I learned that there were at least 2 people who were owed customs. I worked with them and Ariel, and far as I know / knew, they were on their way to getting their products or refunds. I don't know how they're doing now, but anybody can contact me if they still are owed something and I'll try to help.
Thank you for being the bigger person, Jayce, and contacting Ariel first. When she was here and talking to me, she seemed like she was open to having the material put back up that featured you two. I was pleading with her to just contact you directly, as I was also pleading with you to contact her. I thought that having you working with her would be good for everyone. Also, I know that on other social media you were complaining that your contracts were useless, but again that's out of my hands when a model demands her stuff get taken down. They could go to our biller or even our ISP and have us shut down. I shouldn't even have brought the contract thing up, but it still helped refine our terms regarding contract use (that each scene needs to be mentioned somehow on the contract).
I still don't know what Ariel is going through in her life, but I would ask people to reserve judgement and not pile on because it's always more complicated than it looks. The world expects us to demonize each other and take sides based on assumptions, and watching people jump to some of these conclusions without having much information is really depressing.
Peace,
Messmaster
Ariel was never banned, so her reappearance was not challenged by me. She had her reasons for leaving, and her reasons for having Jayce pull content that featured her; That's none of any of our business. And when a model asks to have her content removed, then I have to do that, just on regulations from our billers (not law). Personal spats and business disagreements have no bearing on that, nor do they have a bearing on allowing somebody to come back. It's just not my business.
What is my business is making sure the people here are not getting cheated, and upon Ariel's return I learned that there were at least 2 people who were owed customs. I worked with them and Ariel, and far as I know / knew, they were on their way to getting their products or refunds. I don't know how they're doing now, but anybody can contact me if they still are owed something and I'll try to help.
Thank you for being the bigger person, Jayce, and contacting Ariel first. When she was here and talking to me, she seemed like she was open to having the material put back up that featured you two. I was pleading with her to just contact you directly, as I was also pleading with you to contact her. I thought that having you working with her would be good for everyone. Also, I know that on other social media you were complaining that your contracts were useless, but again that's out of my hands when a model demands her stuff get taken down. They could go to our biller or even our ISP and have us shut down. I shouldn't even have brought the contract thing up, but it still helped refine our terms regarding contract use (that each scene needs to be mentioned somehow on the contract).
I still don't know what Ariel is going through in her life, but I would ask people to reserve judgement and not pile on because it's always more complicated than it looks. The world expects us to demonize each other and take sides based on assumptions, and watching people jump to some of these conclusions without having much information is really depressing.
Peace,
Messmaster
Stay messy, my friends
Jayce said: I am going to keep most of what I have to say on my only fans so it is not "public"
That is not a ploy to get fans...that is so I have a platform to tell the whole story and it is not completely "public"
I really hoped that Ariel coming back? I would get to post my content that I love so much, I worked so hard for that she knows is mine and she could post her content with me in it. She doesnt have model releases. I made a contract for the HOuse of Mess. The laws changed in 2021 where contracts dont hold water. She was my best friend, my sister, my family....never in a million years did I think she would hurt me so badly over.....
Im not going to say what it was over....but it was not as dire as what has been said. I spoke to anyone I could around her after what she did to get some answers.
Anyway, I do hope she does what is right, comes back, lets me use MY content and she can use HER content.
I was very bull headed about messaging her. I felt like I shouldnt have to because I was wronged. She even made the comment to "take the temperature" of my whole situation. Temp is? Im hot. MOnths of therapy and I was JUST getting to a place of peace. She jumps back on....I try my best to see this as an opportunity to get back what i lost....maybe she will do what is right.
She is gone again. I actually DID buckle down and message her first after days of awaiting for one from her.....
I kept it to the point and offered her a very reasonable deal so she could start getting some money in and finish up peoples customs and whatever else she needed to do. She doesnt have model releases for me so I was going to have mm and soundguy write them up for all scenes of hers....all of mine.
Shes gone again. she didnt write me back.....I went out on a limb and stretched a boundary I was keeping for my own sanity and still....nothing back.
Ariel, if you read this? For the sake of everyone that feels wronged? For the sake of me? My son? We were like family at one time and you made decisions to make it not that way anymore but? We can agree upon a contract where you can put up videos with my likeness and I put up mine.
This is business and money. I am not going to go into anything else but that. You can redeem yourself, here.
It will take work but people will see your hard work and praise you for it later for fighting the storm you left behind.
If anyone has questions for me? I do only fans live where people can ask me questions. Some I will answer, some? I dont, just purely because I do have a soul in there....
but I keep it pretty real.
I think we all can agree if ariel will undo her wrongs and things left behind that most of her fans (i know a lot of die hard fans) will welcome her back.
PLease do the right thing. If not? Then just take this post down and move along. Do something else. No one else here wants to be let down. Especially me.
That is not a ploy to get fans...that is so I have a platform to tell the whole story and it is not completely "public"
I really hoped that Ariel coming back? I would get to post my content that I love so much, I worked so hard for that she knows is mine and she could post her content with me in it. She doesnt have model releases. I made a contract for the HOuse of Mess. The laws changed in 2021 where contracts dont hold water. She was my best friend, my sister, my family....never in a million years did I think she would hurt me so badly over.....
Im not going to say what it was over....but it was not as dire as what has been said. I spoke to anyone I could around her after what she did to get some answers.
Anyway, I do hope she does what is right, comes back, lets me use MY content and she can use HER content.
I was very bull headed about messaging her. I felt like I shouldnt have to because I was wronged. She even made the comment to "take the temperature" of my whole situation. Temp is? Im hot. MOnths of therapy and I was JUST getting to a place of peace. She jumps back on....I try my best to see this as an opportunity to get back what i lost....maybe she will do what is right.
She is gone again. I actually DID buckle down and message her first after days of awaiting for one from her.....
I kept it to the point and offered her a very reasonable deal so she could start getting some money in and finish up peoples customs and whatever else she needed to do. She doesnt have model releases for me so I was going to have mm and soundguy write them up for all scenes of hers....all of mine.
Shes gone again. she didnt write me back.....I went out on a limb and stretched a boundary I was keeping for my own sanity and still....nothing back.
Ariel, if you read this? For the sake of everyone that feels wronged? For the sake of me? My son? We were like family at one time and you made decisions to make it not that way anymore but? We can agree upon a contract where you can put up videos with my likeness and I put up mine.
This is business and money. I am not going to go into anything else but that. You can redeem yourself, here.
It will take work but people will see your hard work and praise you for it later for fighting the storm you left behind.
If anyone has questions for me? I do only fans live where people can ask me questions. Some I will answer, some? I dont, just purely because I do have a soul in there....
but I keep it pretty real.
I think we all can agree if ariel will undo her wrongs and things left behind that most of her fans (i know a lot of die hard fans) will welcome her back.
PLease do the right thing. If not? Then just take this post down and move along. Do something else. No one else here wants to be let down. Especially me.
I solute you Jayce for making such a bold move to reach out to Ariel despite what has happened, you are clearly the better person and now need to more on with your own store and the content you do have
You clearly have the support of everyone here including me so put it behind you as a lesson in life and enjoy the future you have here
Chantelle
I wanna be messy
Messmaster said: I've waited to respond to this thread while hoping to get Ariel and Jayce communicating. That's proven impossible as both, while willing to talk at length to me, wouldn't inbox each other. I can't really help mediate between two people who won't speak to each other. But Jayce was the one who finally messaged Ariel the other day. But Ariel is just not responding to anyone. She hasn't even been on the site in over a week.
Ariel was never banned, so her reappearance was not challenged by me. She had her reasons for leaving, and her reasons for having Jayce pull content that featured her; That's none of any of our business. And when a model asks to have her content removed, then I have to do that, just on regulations from our billers (not law). Personal spats and business disagreements have no bearing on that, nor do they have a bearing on allowing somebody to come back. It's just not my business.
What is my business is making sure the people here are not getting cheated, and upon Ariel's return I learned that there were at least 2 people who were owed customs. I worked with them and Ariel, and far as I know / knew, they were on their way to getting their products or refunds. I don't know how they're doing now, but anybody can contact me if they still are owed something and I'll try to help.
Thank you for being the bigger person, Jayce, and contacting Ariel first. When she was here and talking to me, she seemed like she was open to having the material put back up that featured you two. I was pleading with her to just contact you directly, as I was also pleading with you to contact her. I thought that having you working with her would be good for everyone. Also, I know that on other social media you were complaining that your contracts were useless, but again that's out of my hands when a model demands her stuff get taken down. They could go to our biller or even our ISP and have us shut down. I shouldn't even have brought the contract thing up, but it still helped refine our terms regarding contract use (that each scene needs to be mentioned somehow on the contract).
I still don't know what Ariel is going through in her life, but I would ask people to reserve judgement and not pile on because it's always more complicated than it looks. The world expects us to demonize each other and take sides based on assumptions, and watching people jump to some of these conclusions without having much information is really depressing.
Peace,
Messmaster
Ariel was never banned, so her reappearance was not challenged by me. She had her reasons for leaving, and her reasons for having Jayce pull content that featured her; That's none of any of our business. And when a model asks to have her content removed, then I have to do that, just on regulations from our billers (not law). Personal spats and business disagreements have no bearing on that, nor do they have a bearing on allowing somebody to come back. It's just not my business.
What is my business is making sure the people here are not getting cheated, and upon Ariel's return I learned that there were at least 2 people who were owed customs. I worked with them and Ariel, and far as I know / knew, they were on their way to getting their products or refunds. I don't know how they're doing now, but anybody can contact me if they still are owed something and I'll try to help.
Thank you for being the bigger person, Jayce, and contacting Ariel first. When she was here and talking to me, she seemed like she was open to having the material put back up that featured you two. I was pleading with her to just contact you directly, as I was also pleading with you to contact her. I thought that having you working with her would be good for everyone. Also, I know that on other social media you were complaining that your contracts were useless, but again that's out of my hands when a model demands her stuff get taken down. They could go to our biller or even our ISP and have us shut down. I shouldn't even have brought the contract thing up, but it still helped refine our terms regarding contract use (that each scene needs to be mentioned somehow on the contract).
I still don't know what Ariel is going through in her life, but I would ask people to reserve judgement and not pile on because it's always more complicated than it looks. The world expects us to demonize each other and take sides based on assumptions, and watching people jump to some of these conclusions without having much information is really depressing.
Peace,
Messmaster
Not trying to fuel anymore fire here but only two? I have had MANY more than that come to me and harass meI truly hope they see this and come to you. Or maybe now? They have left the umd I don't know.
But thank you for opening the door for people. I have let many know to contact you. I guess they didn't.
But I appreciate you taking that on with all you have going on. Thanks dude
Thanks Chantelle I appreciate ya.
Get Messy, Get Wet, C'mon Get Happy!
Hello there this is Kurt I really hope you come back and start doing things again and doing things with with JC as well. I've learned by Too $hort your friends die your family people die and in the end if you're live longer than your own by yourself so please don't let that happen to you you're much do you get a person for that
Jayce said: Not trying to fuel anymore fire here but only two? I have had MANY more than that come to me and harass me
I know of like two people. Nobody else has come forward, and Ariel has acknowledged them. That's the last I heard. You never told me about anybody else you knew about?
Stay messy, my friends
Welcome back Ariel!! Im glad everything is ok and things are back! Missed ya! I would love to order another custom dunk tank scene witcha! Maybe sometime in the short future coming up! Chris!
Locking this thread. Ariel's account is still here but she hasn't been here in 11 days. I can't know what's going on in her life, so I'm going to give it maybe a few weeks and if I don't hear from her, I'll shut down her account and disallow her from coming back. I'll send her plenty of emails and messages before then. 
Jayce you've been a champ. I regret my part in whatever extra trauma I put you through when I was giving Ariel another chance. I gather she's been through hell, and probably still is, and I tend to overdo it on the benefit of the doubt sometimes.
If anyone has something to add, they can start a new thread... or contact me, or whatever
Jayce you've been a champ. I regret my part in whatever extra trauma I put you through when I was giving Ariel another chance. I gather she's been through hell, and probably still is, and I tend to overdo it on the benefit of the doubt sometimes.
If anyone has something to add, they can start a new thread... or contact me, or whatever
Stay messy, my friends
