Hi - does anyone know if Penny is still active? I tried to reach her through her website and have yet to hear back.
Thanks

She had a meltdown during the Mostwam drama. To her credit, she was basically right about how Leon should be handled. But then she went and reported the UMD to some UK office as like a sex violence website or something like that (I don't remember the details) and squandered whatever good will she had acquired.

That's my two pennies, anyway.



I'll give it 20 minutes till this thread is locked...

You didn't say how long you've waited (e.g. whether it's been a couple of hours or a couple of weeks) so you might just need to be patient.

Penny posted on Twitter recently:

That isn't what happened. There isn't any way to 'report a website' to that service.

My understanding isn't totally clear but it was something along the lines of that she just discussed and shared the resource with another model and it all got misunderstood. What she was accused of simply isn't even possible or a thing that can be done.

At very, very most she could have reported Leon to the site as a potentially active photographer with a sex conviction.

But there is no function or way to report an entire website, and that concept would be pointless anyway with a small UK charity who just gives models and a sex workers a heads up if some is reported as violent or convicted... and a USA website that was handling the situation.

It's for reporting people, not websites. It's also uk only. They don't convict or chase anyone or anything, just send alerts to registered models in whatever area of the uk they signed up for, like 'hey look out for this, if this person matching this description in this area tries to book you'

MM did recognise this and edit his post about it when he understood what the site was, but Penny suffered a lot of harassment by umd-ers who thought she was trying to get the umd shut down, which as just explained, is absolutely not what that organisation does.

Dreadful weekend that was. But it showed there's a lot of good folk on here... and some bad... Penny is a loss. I hope she's doing good.

Oh my God, not this subject again.

It was also my first exposure to the UK legal system. It really wasn't covered in any law classes I ever took and there was a lot to it that didn't make a lot of sense to me, except that actual proceedings seemed to go quickly? IDK the more that I try to think about it before having coffee the more confused I get again

Intense debate and possibly some of the most disgusting and disturbing dialogue imaginable from certain individuals in the face of the events that sparked them which was one of the catalysts of why she left. I love ya, dude, but let's be honest here.

It was bound to happen sooner or later

Yeah, that is definitely not how it went down and while you are right, she wants absolutely nothing to do with this site, there were several instances that took place before that happened including the 2 days of shit posters who were permitted to run amuck on the Leon threads. One could certainly argue that she didn't handle things appropriately and I would be in agreement but let's not pretend that there wasn't underlying factors that led to it lest I can certainly assure you this won't be the last time something like this happens here. There was definitely things we could have done better, too and not acknowledging that is folly

It's not like the threads were all deleted. It;s not like people can go find and read about it. Here is what really happened.

https://umd.net/forums/i-am-leaving-umd

It is interesting how much people's perception of events change from reality.

This quote comes to mind

"Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened." -Dwight D. Eisenhower

Point is, things were bungled. It is what it is. As a result, all parties involved lost composure as well as their cool, things were permitted to be said from multiple 3rd parties that didn't help matters and actions were eventually taken and by that time, the damage was already done and Penny left.

Last I seen from her Twitter she has bigger plans in the works. What those plans entail or consist of are a mystery. Whether or not she is still doing customs or anything WAM related is also anyones guess. I would say message her and give her some time to reply as she could be busy. She will either reply, or not.

So circling back to this, Penny resurfaced and for those who care, she is doing well. She has a full time job and this could explain her lapse in responding to any requests. What she is doing exactly is unknown but she is in great spirits so whatever it is, that's a good thing!

On a secondary note, in regards to this above statement, I am assuming that you are Wammer 5280 on Twitter, correct? Penny decided to address your statements in a recent Twitter post. The way it looks, you decided to PM her out of the blue complaining that she was "difficult to approach" because she pokes fun on a Twitter circle she created. In this, I am actually in agreement with Penny. If you had such a hangup over her jokes, maybe just leave or unfollow the group?

https://twitter.com/pennybankswam/status/1645911332317966336?s=46

Do you just hate when people keep receipts.

It is too bad you are not as smart as you think you are. This is my only account and it is many years old. Try again. If you have receipts I am happy to look at them.

If you are referring to me, If you had been paying attention, I have mentioned previously that I had an account on here and it's years old (poolofdeath, if you are wondering) and I have been quite transparent about it. As a mod, you should probably know this.

As for my position from where I come from, I am simply bringing up information that is presented to me. If we are going to cast stones at someone who is not a part of this community, thus no longer able to defend themselves against said allegations, we can at least be factual about it and so far the only evidence presented was Penny's (which never would have came to light had you not inserted your opinion in the matter, mind you) and we were ALL here for the crap surrounding Leon and the blowback from that. As for MM is concerned on the matter, his last words on the subject was Penny is still welcome to come back IF she desires to, so how your story didn't come up then is a mystery but feel free to enlighten me. Maybe I missed it?

But I digress, If you have something of substance, feel free to bring it up. I'm open to being wrong and if you have something that proves otherwise, I will be the first person to extend an apology and retraction of the above. Scouts honor!

It's a shame your 'final thoughts' remain completely inaccurate. I was a member of the private retweet group you're referring to, from the very beginning - and incidentally still am (therefor I've been able to check) - so I will speak where others apparently aren't qualified to...

What you're describing simply did not happen! I'd urge you to provide screenshots of which specific comments and conversations lead you to this misunderstanding. Otherwise we can only conclude that you either dreamt this whole episode, or have deliberately concocted some malicious slander for personal reasons.

If mhop decides not to respond further to clarify their position, or retract, I do expect to see a response from MM or other senior mod at the umd, since site moderators making unfounded criminal allegations is no trifling matter.

Lord, I didn't even realise mhop was a moderator! That's a hell of an official stance for the UMD to take considering most of it has either been refuted or just did not happen. I see the problems still have not gone away, unfortunately.

Sadly, no. Still very prevalent.

Sad thing is, what irks me is not what he said but that according to his own testimony, he had months to bring this up before Penny left. Instead,/ he waited until after she left and was no longer here to defend herself to the accusations.

What a load of BS that is... and you're a mod? Jeez.

I've flagged this thread for MM's attention. Actually sent him a PM about it a few days back as I thought the "she's not welcome" comment was out of line with MMs officially stated position. But I know he's been insanely busy with the rebuild plus not sure if all message notifications have been getting through, so have now flagged it via the Report function as well. Worst possible timing, unfortunately.

Kinda figured as much as I ended up getting flooded with notifications all at once from all the ones that I guess got lost in the shuffle. Thanks for the update!

I just wanted to note that this is a personal opinion and not the official position of me or UMD. She's never been banned nor invited back.


These people were not "permitted" to do anything, and I'd hope that people wouldn't assume endorsement of a post just because moderation isn't moving as quickly as they think it should. It was a crazy time, and the people were removed shortly. Penny was a moderator at the time and could easily see everything we were doing to handle the situation, and it was not nothing. Also let's not forget that some people left UMD and took up refuge at Twitter, where Leon and most of the top offenders apparently have live accounts to this day, and where people routinely do MUCH worse than what happened here, every single day, all day. Just needed to keep some facts straight.

I'll lock this thread to prevent spiraling, but if anyone really needs to offer another opinion, you can contact me or start another thread if you need to.