I am sure your experience has been great. I am happy it was! Truly! I am sure there are many others who can say the same. This isn't about that. It is about the lack of transparency to the extent that even the site owner didn't know who he brought on board as a mod. If you don't see the potential problem there, then I honestly can't help you


Has nothing to do with it. People break up all the time. Again, it's people not knowing who they are dealing with. If it is one person. fine. If it is a group of people, fine. There needs to be some communication of who you are talking to. Even in most RP forums it is required that you disclose your alts to prevent this confusion.



Yeah, considering one of the leading complaints in this thread is from a model (Flora) who found out just a few short days ago that she was talking to Daz this whole time, I can assure you that is totally false. Again, and I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand, a simple header at the top of the profile stating that it is a couple's acct would have removed any confusion from the field of play.



I don't disagree with this. Yes, female models have to endure shit most men on here will never fully understand nor encapsulate. It makes sense. Simple solution is state that Messages can be answered by more than one party on their profile. My gripe isn't that Daz was using her account. My gripe isn't even that he was answering messages on her behalf. My gripe is he was using her account, no one knew about it and a model disclosed personal details about herself that she never would to a male producer exposing a huge breach in trust. THAT is the problem.

Would it be fair to suggest that the current limitations of business accounts on here (which requires password/login sharing) is potentially contributing to this?

I feel as if an individual account (store owner) should be able to start a business page on here and add other users to their team with rights-management options - eg upload photos to the business page, post on behalf of the business to the forums, upload store content, reply to messages from the business account etc

I know this won't be a quick or easy fix but in my eyes it's the only proper way to try and ensure a similar thing does not/is not happening is to facilitate a full business account which is allowed to share access .

I'm not saying it will stop 100% of the issues and given the deception by Daz in this instance potentially would not have done. However what this will ensure is that when shared accounts are being used. It will also go hand in hand with the updated TOS changes you have made/are making and if you have given a legitimate process which is then not followed it gives stronger grounds to take swift action in future without the need for further delay

Nice idea, but such granularity is really out of the scope of a site like UMD. Maybe when we're way bigger Even if we had such features it would have no impact on a situation where someone was being purposely misleading. If the account holder is honest then they shouldn't make who's running it a wishy-washy secret.

I have helped you with Vidown catalog work in the past and have offered to do it again, but you haven't talked to me in months. Drop me an email when you get a chance.

At Vidown, we prefer that all parties accessing a store account have their own vendor account in the system. Then they can be a partner on a store and not have access to the main vendor's account or any of their information. Your previous collaborations were all "full access" for both parties, but now we have an optional "webmaster" configuration where they only see the catalog systems and have no access to sales data or payment details.

As others have mentioned, If you pushed the record button on the camera and there was no signed, dated, and witnessed "work for hire" contract in place, then you hold the entirety of the copyright for all that video footage. That's legally indisputable.

The issue for most people in your situation is that copyright is only a third of the requirements for selling videos (the legal Triumvirate ). Another third is a signed, dated, and witnessed model release that covers all possible eventualities and all present, past, and future as-yet-unknown formats and technologies. Not having that in-hand is a huge liability risk for everyone involved.

The last third primarily applies to sexual scenarios and "lascivious nudity" and that's USC 2257 required information. It hasn't been enforced in a decade, but that could change at any time, so it's still required by virtually every US-based store system.

Sorry for the late reply, but as well as dealing with our break up, I have been talking to Derek in the background about the whole situation.
Though I did say seven days ago that I was writing on behalf of Chantelle while she was sitting next to me, I need to clarify this a little bit more it seems.

Unfortunately the relationship between Chantelle and myself ended, but at the time we were still trying to work things out. getting together sitting down and chatting about not only our life, but how we were going to move forward with this site due to the fact that I owned around 90% of the content on here.
I've been shooting for Chantelle now for over 10 years so we were sitting there, discussing ways that she could continue to use all the scenes under an open license allowing her to still have a presence on here without the need for the day-to-day running of the site.
I'm sure Derek will also confirm this as we had a few conversations about trying to operate the site in this way.

At the time we were sitting there together, a message came through from a user to which I read it out to Chantelle, and she gave her reply the only problem with it seems to be the fact that I typed that reply for her unfortunately she has never had great computer skills and never denied that.
I remember seeing a comment a couple of days ago, stating something like if she has these problems why is she in a dangerous situation in the mud?
Fortunately, for most here, her dyslexia and problems using computers doesn't really affect what she does so wasn't really sure what the point was of that conversation.

Getting back to the actual event. I can confirm that, yes, I typed to have her reply, but the whole message was from her, it's something I hadn't denied from the start it's how we operated for a long time And we're very clear on this with most people we spoke to.

If it was from Chantelle, it was always signed from Chantelle. If it was from me, it was generally the more day-to-day replies regarding setting up custom requests etc rather than answering personal messages if I replied to you as myself, it was always signed as either D or Daz. No point before has that raised any concerns as I was trying to be as transparent as possible.
Unfortunately it seems that at some point, this is now been lost in translation because not everyone knew about Chantelle's condition which is understandable, but I can tell you now neither Chantelle or myself set out to deceive anyone at any point
With regards to the moderator privilege, I can only apologise to Derek as again we did not sit out to undermine him or the site. It was just the fact that we were so used to running this site together rather than as a single person.
I have replied to Derek on many occasions as myself, including signing stuff as myself, and can record a certain situation about a year ago where I actually dealt with something as a mod and signed it off as my own name to him as I felt the situation needed to be dealt with from higher above. No point. Do I feel that either myself or Chantelle have tried to fool anyone?
I understand the upset this may have calls and I can only apologise both myself and Chantelle have been on this site since the beginning myself under a previous username originally I then left and came back a couple of years later
Hopefully I've now explained myself enough and will continue speaking to Derek in the background rather than making any further public statements on this matter as I believe I have covered everything or everyone's questions.
There is no point we literally reading through the form and picking out every single part of what people have said as it will just be a game of tennis going backwards and forwards for weeks to come
Chantelle and I are still doing okay and talking and up until a couple of days ago, even considered the possibility of having a so-called dormant profile with just her scenes on it that could be uploaded for everyone to enjoy without any interactions from either of us in the future. I'm sure Derek will decide on that one in the days to come

Mostly Flora, Chantelle and I are still talking and we both like to apologise for any misconception you may have had about the message she replied to. Hopefully the explanation will give you some reassurance that yes I saw the message and replied to it but it was a female point of view that you were getting the reply to from Chantelle herself And I was merely the person on the keyboard and didn't mean to call you any distress or alarm. I hope now we can all be at peace with this and move forward

Just want to say thank you for your kind words and support. It's nice to know at least someone we have helped has stepped up to confirm how transparent we were and at no point you felt you were being deceived in anyway.

Dazuk, until we hear from Chantelle we have no way of knowing if anything you say is true. We are still only getting one side oif the story. You can claim you signed things all you want. At the end of the day MM did not know it was a team account. That should have been clearly stated and it was not. Odd that you comment on things right after your account is moved to a different status by Derek.

i DID ask you, you turd!

imma email you bc i swear on god I emailed you begging to put vids up on the site for me. maybe we got our emails crossed. i have luckily started a new email that is JUST for customs and my business. The other one was attached to every single thing in my life. lol!

lets talk soon! ill email you today! whew bc I am behind so bad on my updates on vidown....where people are getting peeeeed off.

love ya, brother! talk soon and thankyou!

I can't speak for Chantelle on whether she wants to make a comment or not. Obviously she would need to login on someone else's computer to do so, and that means trusting someone in confiding in what was a fetish, but not how many outside of our world knew about, unfortunately, even if she writes something, I'm sure people will still say it's me writing it or somebody else because obviously she's not great with computers.

With regards to why I made a post today I was waiting for messmaster to change my status, it's because I also have other things I'm doing including running my own business, so don't come on here every day And I have been speaking to Messmaster in the background as well

I have given my reasons and made my apologies if anyone thought we would be in underhanded.
We all learned from our mistakes, and the site will also learn from these and many more issues to come in the future It's the only way you can improve things after an event has happened

You win the internet for today

I'm dead.

Also:

"FYI: while this profile is a way to communicate with Chantelle, note that messages and replies are dictated to and entered by Daz. Don't send anything you intend to be for Chantelle's eyes only."

Would have been the best way to handle this proactively. Live and learn. I do feel sincerely bad for Flora though.

I find this thread funny because I don't think I have ever believed I was talking to a model directly on any social media ever. Maybe it is the pessimistic in me but in most cases it is non models that you are talking to because if any of them had to view the constant improper requests then they would be gone off here. I just get sick of the people who pretend that they are the model. You will never see me or a few other quality producers doing it.

She isn't. Just go over her posts over the past few years dating back as far as 2014-2016. There are clear differences between Daz's and Chantelle's grammar. Took me a minute to see them as the posts are spread out over a long period of time but she types fine and even uses proper punctuation and emojis with her thread starters.

I have been waiting to see if there was a comparison of her grammar VS Daz's grammar. But at the end of the day Daz could always claim he was typing for her since that falls into the time frame that they were together I am thinking. I am not sure how this hasn't fallen under the rule about impersonating others.

I have already confirmed that I took over from her previous producer in about 2016, 2017, who was doing all the work on Chantelle's profile up until then when I took over the day-to-day running of her her profile, it was always both our input but me doing the typing.
I don't pretend to be an English graduate, so my grammar may not be correct but between Chantelle and I, we got the point across on all posts

This is the first comment/reply on this website that literally made me laugh out loud.

For real! I say by default, she's wammer of the day for this lil gem LOL

A lot of them that do, do leave quite quickly.

People do buy into marketing and many producers market their work around a single model.

When the Leon thing happened I was amazed at how many people seemed to think it was a group effort and that his models were doing it out of love for the fetish, or that 'Charlotte' had some sort of creative input or control.

Maybe a two tier account system might help in future, with producer accounts having different terms and conditions and a clearly labelled disclaimer?

1. she could still use your computer as you are ok, even if split up.
2. You could film her and upload for free, that gets around most of the dyslexia and that it might be you doing the typing.

Just some thoughts.

This and I am honestly not convinced that in this day and age, she doesn't have a smartphone capable of SOME internet browsing capabilities. I think at this point, we just wanna know that, under her own volition, she is ok without having to go through her alleged mouthpiece.

Given there appears to be a non-amicable breakup with shady dealings, a sex-industry business at stake, a large collection of extremely intimate pics in play, and a rather thuggish looking ex who's taken to essentially impersonating her online, I'd just be happy with some confirmation that she isn't chained to a radiator somewhere.

I'm kind of joking, but I'm also kind of not.

I am literally not joking. The whole thing stinks and the fact that we are supposed to buy into the story that a woman who has had no issues prior to Daz typing on her own, is somehow incapable of typing without assistance from him is about as ridiculous as it sounds. Even more so when you consider that every time she needed time for herself or to bow out, she would inform everyone here. Thrice, when you take into account the ease of access to any web capable device these days.

Clearly, I am not the only person who isn't buying this tripe but that is neither here nor there. I think now all we want to know is if she is ok and if she has any modeling friends who can do a wellness check on her.

She was in various videos with a few different models last year, but they all seem to keeping away from this thread.

Someone who wishes to remain nameless has reached out to me and pointed out the number of flags this thread has raised to them about domestic violence (they are a specialist in this field).
I tend to agree.

I think we need someone who knows Chantelle to try and contact her and see if she is ok. Are there any models or local folk that can do this?

i have been the only person to ever talk to my customers. I tried to hire someone just to go through my emails and mark the ones that people are actually serious inquiries and they took one look at just the first page and said no....

lol! That was a few years ago. but? I never, ever intended for them to respond to them. As I run everrything on my own, my edits, my customs, my own ideas, my own niches....nobody could do my "job" bc nobody could ever answer those questions for me.
I have an ever growing fetish and I dont really have "boundaries". sometimes I'll see a message and im like "hmm normally wouldnt think to try that but yeah! lets do it!" so? It HAS to always be me.

and if you have seen the turnaround of hot girls coming on here making a little mess and then they disappear? Those are probably gals who did what I do. You have to have a thick skin and a lot of patience to do this as a woman, completely on your own.

wrangling models aint for the weak either on days when you need everybody here at the same time! lol!!!

okay---so this means that you were doing the "typing" while "chantelle" was given the title of a mod...so it would seem that YOU were a mod too....but shouldnt that have been explained in her profile? Or why not have a joint profile?
This? Is literally exactly the same thing as the messy jessie situation and I was close with "her" ....so i thought....when in reality? I found out after we skyped with her...that she had no idea about the "rear of the year" competition I did with a bunch of umd girls and her winning...she had no idea about our heavy conversations about kids, family and life.
I dont mean to be rude here but? If i was messaging chantelle (which i wouldnt since either SHE was horribly rude to me or YOU were....just out of the blue in my inbox....) but? If I went to message chantelle? Her profile? I would expect her to message me back. I also would not want someone I dont even know reading my personal message to chantelle.
Here on the umd this place is a community. Of friends, consumers, like minded people and producers that all keep in touch.
Where this is terribly WRONG is that it just feels like a violation of privacy. Why not just have your own account and chantelle ask people to message YOU to set up her customs or whatever? That would be transparent and wouldnt leave people feeling like I do

so? was it You that was "in direct competition" with me and felt like I needed to stop cursing on a fetish forum? Because it wasnt a good look? Wasnt classy?(oh and that you were the queen of mud long before me) lol! bc I truly want to know.....if it was you? You sounded like a bratty high schooler. Sorry not sorry.
We dont compete around here. We inspire. We love. We wam. Just fyi.