Many people, including about half of America itself, and the vast majority of the world, want desperately to know and understand what the hell is going on in America today. Here it is, perfectly stated and made crystal clear, not by a news organization, not by a politician, but by a comedian.

And for the record, you can get more actual news from John Oliver in 30 minutes than you can from watching every single 24 hour news channel in 30 days, combined.

If you do not have 30 minutes, just watch the last 1 minute and 30 seconds. If it does not make you swell up with anger, choke up with sympathy, and cry out for massive and comprehensive systematic reform, then your humanity has been checked at the door.

For the rest of you, this is America today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY

Peace be with you. Vote and demand change. Our system is broken and needs our help. Thank you to all of you all over the world demanding that change in your country as well as ours.

Madeline

Thank you, Madeline, very much.

Not available in the UK Shame, I love John Oliver's work.

The Englishman is blocked in England...oh the irony. Well, it's worth checking out HOLA VPN or another browser extension to see.

It was interesting to see John bring up Camden NJ, home of Battleship USS New Jersey, The Adventure Aquarium, the E-center, I mean Tweeter center, I mean Susquehanna Pavillion, I mean BB&T Pavillion...and also murder.

Yes, for a good number of years the murder capital of the United States was not LA or one of the other big cities you'd normally think of. It was actually good ol Camden NJ, right across the Ben Franklin Bridge from the city of brotherly love. It managed to even "outgun" cities several times it's size like Chicago, Detroit, and St. Louis.

It is interesting to note that while it's still a shit hole...and it IS a shit hole, it's far less violent than it ever was before. But, not being a resident, I was surprised to learn that they had completely wiped out their police force and started over from scratch.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/disband-police-camden-new-jersey-trnd/index.html

just sayin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wFQAYjzLz-c

It's a legit concern. Also, strange considering he's a rich northerner who doesn't share really ANY similarities with a large chunk of his constituency other than racism.

Also, that party background. He's changed parties more times than Elizabeth Taylor has husbands.

Democrat - until 1987 (THE YEARS REPUBLICANS RAN THE GOVT!)
Republican - 1987-1999 (Mostly Democrat years)
Reform - 1999-2001 (???)
Democrat 2001-2009 (ALSO YEARS REPUBLICANS WERE IN POWER!)
Republican 2009-2011 (Oh, there's a BLACK DEMOCRAT in power, better change again)
Independant 2011-2012 (I guess because Republicans failed at impeaching Obama?)
Republican 2012-Present (Realized that third parties are "losers")

He is the least "Republican" Republican that's ever held office.

He's not a Republican, he is a white supremacist who has been waiting to become king. He has a private army of white nationalists who have been waiting for a leader. They call the coming civil war they have wanted for decades the Big Boogaloo and they are starting to get antsy. Recently several of them have been arrested for starting riots and killing police officers. Trump is testing the waters with his power and looking to declare martial law before the elections or call on his private army to seriously impede the elections through intimidation and suppression.

Few have any faith that he will leave the White House, but expect him to claim that billions, maybe even trillions, of Antifa voted illegally and the Dems stole the election. Our only hope is that the military keeps it's oath to the Constitution. Most of the police forces and tens of thousands of very heavily armed, highly motivated, well organized and well funded white nationalists are just waiting for the word to rise up as I write this.

The next 6 or 7 months are going to be surreal. And someone asked why I have an AR. I moved out here for a reason and I'm going down swinging.

Madeline of the Wetlook Alamo

Maddy has nailed it. And she is totally right. How many intensifers can I use.

Please understand, Potatoman, that NYC politics is completely transactional. Roy Cohn was always a Democrat, Robert Moses was always a Democrat. And they were the bosses of New York. Who can help me and the Gambino family and the others.
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Fer chrissake, Ike and Herber Brownell but Lindsay in Gracie Mansion. Part of his problem was that he had bust the unions, and he did it ineptly. (But he was strong on civil rights.)

And don't get me started on the Daley family.

We also forget that Trump was a protege of Roy Cohn. Oh, Fred was Genovese, and dotard is Gambino.

Sammy the bull Graveno sold the concrete to build Trump Tower in NYC. Notice is wasn't steel.

I think Trump is okay, pretty decent, not a huge fan of some of his tweets but whatever. Pretty good guy and way better than these far leftists who are ruining so many big cities. Sad to see these strongholds of Democrats are invariably the ones that have corrupt police departments. They should vote in a Republican or Libertarian or Green or someone who might be less corrupt than these awful, awful Democrats.

I can't wait to vote again for Trump against Joe Biden, that guy is just lost. Especially if he picks Kamala Harris as his VP, she is a terrible pick.

I actually did not bother watching the link from the OP, but I do watch Tucker Carlson maybe once a week or so, so I have a pretty informed opinion.

Well, it's never too late to inspect or even just casually peruse different and more diverse opinions. They help you either reinforce your schema, or change/add to it.

After all, Tucker Carlson is only one man amongst nearly 8 billion of us.

I'm trying to figure this out?
Are you actually being serious????
Or is this actually a joke post??? Informed because you watch Tucker Carlson???
Watch another channel anything other than the shit that comes from Faux News.
Do some actual PROPER research before you cast your "more important than ever" vote!

Trump is a traitor to democracy, Trump is a traitor the office of President and to the American people he has sworn to serve, Trump is a traitor to his allies at home and around the world, he is a traitor to the human race.
He is a racist, divisive and corrupt, morally bankrupt excuse for a human being.

I am truly sorry for getting all political, but I can't see people have any excuse to vote for this orange turd any more, you have to be a racist, or COMPLETELY uninformed, or plain stupid to vote for him, really there is no moral defence for doing so.

Is America Great Again right now?

Nope, you are the laughing stock of the world at the same time as being seen as extremely dangerous with a lunatic in charge of the nuclear button, with the UK in close second place.
I mean our government has to remain silent on the actions of Trump and China, because we're going to need them so badly after the Brexit transition period, we can't risk upsetting them.

I hate the world right now.

That whole post was sarcasm, right?

I don't know what your malfunction is, but another 4 years of Trump and there will be no America.

Tucker is a racist, and you're a piece of shit. Thanks for stopping by.

Nope, Tucker isn't a racist. Sorry, folks, don't agree. You could enlighten me, show me the 'racist' things he's said or done.

Also don't agree Trump is a white nationalist and I don't think Antifa are freedom fighters waging war against an army of white supremacists. In fact, I think they're violent thugs who are every bit as fascist themselves as their imaginary enemies.

I think the people out there now smashing statues and burning down (mostly black) communities are a problem. I wish someone in power would do something about it, ideally some of these mayors or Governors. Someone really should.

That's about it. Yeah, I don't accept these far left crazy ideas. Sorry that bothers some of you so much, that you're ranting and raving, calling me insulting names and such. Whatever. Get out of your bubbles, for whatever reason here in this obscure fetish forum you guys appear to be a majority but outside of here and twitter, there are a lot more people who aren't racist, who aren't white nationalists but also aren't Marxists like Antifa, either.

Curious, though - how many of you upset at how 'racist' Trump is, where are you on Joe Biden? He's objectively racist, his crime bill in unarguably targeting blacks, he said as much and even won't apologize now. Unlike Trump or Brett Kavanaugh, he has credible allegations of sexual assault. Where are you on that?

Some of you are angry that Trump is going to wage wars and nuke people. Where were you when Hillary Clinton destabilized Libya and sent it into chaos? It's still a warzone there thanks to her. How about all the neo-cons like her or Biden who desperately want to do that again in Syria? Trump, who opposes that, is the bad guy and insane - but they're all good, right? Obama, Hillary, McCain and Graham can send weapons to ISIS and it's all a big "whoops!" moment when those 'moderate' Islamists actually turn out to be bad guys, that's not insane or bad at all. Hey, let's send guns to drug cartels, that can't be a bad idea, amirite?

No, no, TRUMP, who opposed Iraq (& Syria) and by and largely is fighting against the neocons and their endless wars... HE is the warmonger, vote for Biden who might have been for ALL these conflicts and is clearly senile and in the last stages of dementia, you know because Trump is so bad.

Yawn. Whatever. Anyone who strongly disagreed but kept it civil, more power to you, to anyone who couldn't keep it civil, get fucked you stupid prick(s), I don't care what you think about anything anyway.

I don't think Trump is a white nationalist, he doesn't have the conviction to follow a cause.
He is a racist and a xenophobe, he loves to scape goat and demonise minorities for political gain.

There isn't much point trying to explain anything to you, by your own admission you didn't bother to watch the video posted by the OP, you have zero interest in hearing anything that might cast doubt on your Tucker Carlson opinions.
Watch it and watch the following video.

https://youtu.be/SkQKVMYyPoM

Antifa- Do you even know what Antifa is?
It isn't an organised terrorist group, it isn't BLM, it is an Anti Facist movement, not organised, just some people who oppose fascism.
How is an anti fascist movement Marxist??? That doesn't even make sense???
The only reason Antifa has been pushed by right wing media, is because it's easier to attack than Black Lives Matter, call them all Antifa it's so much more palatable as an enemy.

You are a TYPICAL Trump voter, just gobble up all the propaganda from Trump and Faux News, without wanting to know any other side of the story, blinkers on eyes closed.

I think you'll find support for orange traitor in chief is slipping badly, not just on this website.
Thing is, are you surprised a minority group of people with an odd fetish, has an issue with someone who likes to scapegoat minorities for political gain?

Is America Great now??? Is it?
Does it feel Great to you? To anyone?

I still think you're just Trolling us, playing the role of a stereotypical Trump cult supporter.

BTW, Both Bush's invaded Iraq, the first abandoned all the Iraqis who supported the US liberation of Kuwait, The second lied about WMDs to justify an invasion.

Also, America didn't stand against Syria, they trained and supplied weapons to the Kurds and other anti IS fighters, then abandoned them under Trump.

I'm not sure how much more credible an accusation of sexual assault is than an actual admission/boast about sexual assault?
I think that the Biden accuser should get their day in court, as should all those paid off by Trump.

If so, it's a long con with no upside. His post-election post four years ago was consistent with the black pill reactionary schtick.

That. Right. There.

Fox news is fun, huh? No bubble there lol! Democrats want to destroy America, they are radical antifa god hating thugs and provocateurs, and they eat babies while worshiping the devil. I get it.

Just for the record, antifa stands for anti-fascist. It is every Americans duty to be anti-fascist. Several hundred thousand Americans died fighting fascists. 60 million people died in a war started by fascists. To be pro fascist is the exact opposite of capitalism, democracy, or a republic.Pro fascists need to get the fuck out of my country if they don't like it. Maybe go back to the "country they came from".

Have a wonderful day!

Madeline

I'm not in the U.S., have never voted for a right-wing party in my life, and I think Trump is a dangerous moron. But the response to Enigmahood by almost everyone on this thread apart from Potatoman is out of order. Enigmahood stated his political opinion and was met with a chorus of people calling him "a piece of shit" and "troll" with a "malfunction". Aside from any question of civility, this is an incredibly dumb strategy. If you want to get Trump out of the White House, which I think would be a very good idea, Enigmahood is an example of the type of person you need to win over. I understand people's anger, but being personally abusive to someone who's voted for a right-wing populist party is most likely to push them further away from the left and further towards Trump and the hard right. This should be blatantly obvious. When someone comes on here and says they voted for Trump and explains why, that's your OPPORTUNITY to engage with them on a person-to-person level and try to win their vote back for the left/the Democrats by listening to them and offering alternative perspectives. Instead, people choose to hurl insults. It's gross and childish, and it's why left-wing parties keep losing these days, and everyone suffers as a result. This isn't a rhetorical game, it's about power and persuasion.

Great response, and btw, if you or anyone else wants to vote for Biden, knock yourselves out. You're not a moron, you're not a piece of shit, you're not insane and you're not a fucktard. I disagree with your candidate but whatever.

Politically I am anti-war, I don't really watch Fox news and any organization that employs Frank Luntz should be scrutinized, but Tucker is interesting. I also regularly watch the Hill, Jimmy Doore, Tim Pool and other independent media outlets, I don't trust any mainstream ones for the most part. I think it's strange how some people will knock Fox News or Tucker Carlson, but no mention of MSNBC or someone like Rachel maddow who pushed insane Russiagate nonsense conspiracies *for years*. CNN is likewise very untruthful and also pushes ridiculous conspiracies that have been completely debunked.

I like how someone went through my history and eluded to some post I made 4 years ago as some kind of proof of my being so bad. Didn't even bother to post what I said, just the insinguation that it "was bad" and more piling on proof of how crazed and nutty I am. Riiight.

This is why the left lost in 2016. Who knows what 2020 will bring, but suggesting roughly 1/2 the country are Nazis is not a winning strategy, nor is it intellectually honest or rational.

Good luck. Still waiting on someone to explain why Tucker is a racist. As I don't watch him too often, maybe I overlooked something, but everything I've seen has been fine and some video from Vox trying to depict him as racist simply because they think some bad people like him is intellectually dishonest.

Nazis surely like to eat pizza. If I go grab a slice, is that an act of racism as well? This is the same ridiculous argument drug warriors use to keep relatively harmless substances like MJ illegal (thanks Joe Biden there). This idea that MJ is a "gateway" drug that leads to harder things. You can't attack MJ itself for the most part, because study after study shows it less dangerous than alcohol. so you weasel around it, try and make it seem more dangerous.

So, some idiots like Tucker, in this case idiots of the white nationalist variety according to known liars, Vox. Well, even taking them at face value -- so what? Fuck them, but them liking something doesn't make it a bad thing, either, unless Tucker is directly advocating things that are racist or white nationalism. Which he isn't. Those white nationalists probably also like Disney superhero movies, you know because those movies are popular and many people like them. Are the Avengers now racist? How does that work?

I don't like giving out personal information online, least of all this place (no offense, MM), but my wife isn't white, my children are mixed, I don't want to fucking hear all this white nationalism nonsense, like I want my children to get segregated? Please.

Nobody has to like Trump, or anyone. You do you, but some of you jackals would be wiser to open your minds and maybe consider that maybe, just maybe, it's not black and white and always about Nazis. There are at most 10,000 KKK members in the USA, fuck each and every at most ten thousand of them, but in a country of over 300,000,000 that's a tiny fraction of idiots.

Meanwhile, Trump is a populist, he talks about bringing jobs back, boosting the middle class and prior to COVID, which is a worldwide event and not at all his fault, the economy was good. He wasn't perfect with his foreign policy but Thank God he was less of a hawk than Obama and absolutely less than Hillary would have been. Fuck John Bolton and neo-cons. I don't care for some of the rhetoric he uses, especially with Mexico, but that was mostly in 2015-2016, in the here-and-now he's working well with AMLO. He's trying to broker peace with North Korea, vs. the Bush Neo-con antagonizing them or Obama placating/ignoring them. He kept the hawks from another pointless war in Syria and Iran. That's a good thing. None of this has fuck all to do with nazis or racism, maybe some of you should open up to other possibilities.

Btw, I've criticized Obama some here but I voted for the guy twice*, he also wasn't perfect but I thought at the time he was better than a piece of shit like McCain and I got all kinds of bad vibes off of Romney. Like, I didn't like his approach to Iran (to give them $$$) but at least he didn't fuck up like Bush (or McCain would have) with another War. Obama was fairly shitty but not even close to as bad as Bush was or some others could have been.

What is with some people and trying the SHAME them for opinions these days?

Me: I like Tucker. He's okay.
Mob: Fuck that racist! You're racist! Fuck you!
Me: How is he racist?
Mob: ...

Seriously, what specifically did he say that was directly racist? The guy talks for 20 minutes, 5 days a week, if he's so damn racist you should be able to easily find hours or instances of it, not sad Vox hit pieces that insinuate he's racist based on ancillary non-factors.

* wait no, I went 3rd party in 2012 I think. Once, then.

Talk about some intellectual dishonesty. The KKK hardly has a stranglehold on white supremacy in the U.S. (see dozens more white supremacist organizations listed below), and just because neither you nor Tucker Carlson have never met anyone belonging to these groups doesn't mean they don't exist. (Carlson on white supremacy in the U.S.: "The whole thing is a lie. It's actually not a real problem in America.... I've lived here 50 years. I've never met anybody, not one person, who ascribes to white supremacy. I don't know a single person who thinks that's a good idea. They're making this up.")

Perhaps more disturbing than the fact that there are 30 white nationalists groups in America, is the fact that in the wake of the events in Charlottesville in the summer of 2017, a poll conducted by the Washington Post and ABC found that 9% of Americans (aka 22 million people) felt it was acceptable to hold white supremacist views.

You will probably argue that all of these groups added together is still such a tiny sliver of the American public as to be ignorable. (I can't find membership numbers for almost any of them.) But as the saying goes: "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." (Also, think of all the people who are sympathetic to such groups but who would never risk attaching their names to them officially for fear of it damaging their livelihood). I really hope that's not the case here, but this tiny sliver of the American populace that is fueled on hate seem to be Alpha-wolves in terms of violent action. Of all killings within the U.S. designated as the work of "domestic extremists," white supremacists have been far in the lead throughout the new millennium; they were responsible for 39 of 50 such deaths in 2017. (You can look these numbers up and confirm them for yourselves if needs be. Thirty-nine Americans murdered by white supremacists in one very recent year alone and Carlson is somehow none the wiser, he's never once heard of a real live white supremacist, let alone met one, so the liberals MUST just be "making them up" to scare people...)


American Renaissance, is a "race realist and white advocacy website", formerly a monthly magazine, published by the New Century Foundation.

American Freedom Party, formerly known as the American Third Position Party, is an American political party which promotes white supremacy. It was founded in 2010, and it defines its principal mission as representing the political interests of white Americans.

American Nazi Party, is an antisemitic, neo-Nazi organization based largely upon the ideals and policies of Adolf Hitler's NSDAP in Germany during the era of the Third Reich. It also supports Holocaust denial.

Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is, according to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the largest and most violent white supremacist prison gangs in the United States, responsible for murders and other violent crimes.

Aryan Republican Army was a white nationalist terrorist organization.

Aryan Nations, is a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.

Asatru Folk Assembly, part of the racist ("folkish") branch of the Heathenry movement.
Atomwaffen Division, a Neo-Nazi terrorist organisation.

Council of Conservative Citizens, is an American political organization that supports a large variety of conservative and paleoconservative causes in addition to white separatism.

Creativity Alliance, (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator) is a white supremacist political organization that advocates the racialist religion, Creativity. Mainly religious rather than political, the radical Creativity Alliance or Church of Creativity, founded by Ben Klassen in 1973, worships the white race itself rather than any deity, and advocates a radical form of white supremacism known as RAHOWA.

EURO, is a white separatist organization in the United States. Led by former Louisiana state representative, presidential primary candidate and Grand Wizard of the KKK David Duke, it was founded in 2000.

Hammerskins, also known as Hammerskin Nation, are a white supremacist group formed in 1988 in Dallas, Texas. Their primary focus is the production and promotion of white power rock music, and many white power bands have been affiliated with the group.

Identity Evropa is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist organization established in March 2016.

Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy and nationalism. The Klan is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. It is estimated to have between 5,000 and 8,000 members, split among dozens of different organizations that use the Klan name as of 2012.

National Alliance, is a white supremacist political organization. It was founded by William Luther Pierce, and is based in the Pierce family's compound in Hillsboro, West Virginia.
National Association for the Advancement of White People, was a white supremacist organization in the United States incorporated on December 14, 1953 in Delaware by Bryant Bowles which presents itself as a civil rights organization such as the NAACP.

National Policy Institute, is a think tank based in Augusta, Georgia in the United States. It describes itself as the right's answer to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

National Socialist Movement (United States), a party founded in 1974. Since 2005 the party has become very active, staging many marches and demonstrations.

National Vanguard, was an American National Socialist organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia, founded by Kevin Alfred Strom and former members of the National Alliance.

Nationalist Movement, is a Mississippi-based, white supremacist organization that advocates what it calls a "pro-majority" position. It has been called white supremacist by the Associated Press and Anti-Defamation League, among others.

Occidental Quarterly, is a printed far-right quarterly journal with a web segment, TOQ Online, including interviews, essays and reviews on the website.

Pacifica Forum, is a controversial discussion group in Eugene, Oregon, United States. It has been listed as a white nationalist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

Patriot Front is a neo-fascist american nationalist group and an offshoot of Vanguard America

Phineas Priesthood, is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its anti-Semitism, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation.

Pioneer Fund, a white supremacist non-profit that funds scientific racism research.

Volksfront, describes itself as an international fraternal organization for persons of European descent. It has been called "neo-Nazi" and a "racist-skinhead group" in press reports.The Anti-Defamation League has called the group "one of the most active skinhead groups in the United States." The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added Volksfront to its list of hate groups.

White America, Inc., a group founded in Arkansas to prevent racial desegregation of the state's schools.

White Aryan Resistance, is a neo-Nazi white supremacist organization founded and led by former Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Metzger.

C'mon, it's oh-so-clearly a two-way street here, buddy. You've made all kinds of posts in this forum over the past half-decade viciously belittling, mocking and shaming various liberal groups, liberal ideas, and liberal causes. You may have a multiracial family and you may have voted for Obama once 12 years ago, but somehow I've sure never seen you mocking or attacking any kind of conservative group or cause on here (until your post above which is solely designed to show how "balanced" you think you are), while I have seen you tear into the left wing many, many times. For anyone here who read your many comments along these lines, and who happened to believe in those things you were viciously deriding, the effect was the same as what you accuse people of doing to you in this thread.


Okay, here are some examples for you, some are older, but the first couple come from just the past few weeks:

"This may be a lot of things, this [Black Lives Matter] moment we're living through, but it is definitely not about black lives. And remember that when they come for you and at this rate, they will. Anyone who has ever been subjected to the rage of the mob knows the feeling. It's like being swarmed by hornets. You cannot think clearly. And the temptation is to panic. But you can't panic. You've got to keep your head and tell the truth. Tell the truth. If you show weakness of any kind, they will crush you."

"These are not [BLM] protests. This is a totalitarian political movement and someone needs to save the country from it."

[On how we need to be vastly more selective of the immigrants we accept into this country:]
"We have a moral obligation to admit the world's poor, they tell us, even if it makes our own country poorer, and dirtier, and more divided."

Along this "more divided" theme, Carlson has argued against the notion that a diversity in the American population is one of its strengths. In his view, ethnic and cultural diversity actually weakens the "cohesiveness" of marriages, neighborhoods, workplaces, and even branches of the military.


And here's a fascinating exchange Carlson had on a radio talk show in the late aughts:

CARLSON: If there were a Democrat to come out in the 2008 election and say, "You know what the problem is? It's Islamic extremism. It's not terror, it's not some, you know, indefinable threat out there. It's these lunatic Muslims who are behaving like animals, and I'm going to kill as many of them as I can if you elect me." If a Democrat were to say that, he would be elected king, OK?

HOST: So if the Democrat basically had the same stance as you and say[s] "Well I, as a Democrat, can assure you that my party is going to be proactive in fighting these radical assholes." Don't you think that guy would be money?

CARLSON: Yeah, but I think he'd need to say, "Look, I'm a bigot. OK, I'm a bigot. I don't like Islamic extremists. Like if you are really heavily into Islam, I really--I'm sorry, I just don't--I don't care for you that much. And I don't care what that sounds like, you can call me a racist, you can call me whatever the fuck you want."

HOST: And at this juncture, you could say that and not catch a lot of shit for it.

CARLSON: You certainly could. I'd vote for you if you said that. And I think that most Americans would.

CO-HOST: So, basically we need a racist president. "We need to get these Mexicans out of here, and the Islam. Let's kill all the Muslims."

CARLSON: Well, I don't think--

CO-HOST: We need that.

CARLSON: I--you know, I think that you're onto something.

Yeah, sorry the goal is not to the get a vile piece of shit to change his mind by being nice to him and maybe he'll vote Biden. He's a disgusting piece of shit. Did you miss that part? He wants to vote for someone who has done nothing but tell bizarre, outrageous lies for the last three years, who brags about his press conference ratings during a pandemic, who demonizes any minority he thinks will boost his numbers, who spreads wild conspiracy theories with no evidence and gets millions of his degenerate followers to believe him, who bungled the response to covid so badly (including politicizing wearing masks ffs) we're now about to be banned from the EU, who politicized wearing masks.
A braying, feeble-minded racist lying narcissist who deliberately stokes division and hate, whose fans proudly wore "TRUMP THAT BITCH" and "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS SNOWFLAKE" and who now play victim like Enigmahood "what, it's just my opinion, man, why so mean about it?"
And you're saying engage with it? Convince it to come to my way of thinking, like it's an actual person? Like Trumpers are people? Fucking seriously?

And then there was the entire segment he did about how the population used to be mostly white and now there's far more Latinos and how naturally that's scary to people.

I'm sorry, but Trump brings out the rage in most people, his supporters by his lies and divisiveness, his detractors by his lies and his divisiveness.

Good people hate good people, this is what he has done to your country and the world.

Yes. Or you will lose again and end up with another four years of Trump, and a lot of people will suffer as a result. This is bigger than you.

I don't watch Tucker Carlson, but I also don't lick lampposts in winter or take naps on train tracks.

Enigmahood should talk to the many people on this forum--trans, LGBTQ--and Messmaster himself, and listen to them firsthand how they view Trump and how his policies and the terrible things he's said and tweeted daily since elected have hurt them personally.

I've never been ashamed to be an American till now or so hopeless for our future.

Right...so here are our choices everyone

Republican = Good ol Coca Cola Originally the Anti-Federalists later "Democratic-Republican Party" (Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, Sam Adams, James Monroe, George Mason etc) Originally stood for small central government, and a conservative foreign policy of trade and let trade. Feared Monarchy and Oligarchy. By today's political compass would have been very center left and leaning libertarian. Taken over by large bank interests, wealthy land and resources owners etc. who moved the party so far right into the current "Republican" Party that it doesn't understand that Rome was a republic BEFORE Caesar named himself emperor.

Favorite past times include: Offensive Wars against smaller countries to secure natural resources disguised as "defending allies", McCarthyism (which still exists in a different way), segregation, racism, high interest rates, shareholder returns > human lives, praying the gay away, and conservative values such as beating your wife so long as she bleeds red, white, and blue, and apple pie. And if you don't agree with them, you're a socialist commie.

Current Potus candidate is at least 30% Oompalumpa, has a history of failing businesses but manages to stay relevant by the never ending pool of money earned from his father's legacy. Has made several mistakes but never owned up to them (especially those steaks). Is a pathological liar, and narcissist. Has changed political parties at least 5 times in the last 40 years. Cannot take constructive criticism. Has publicly alluded to fucking (marrying) his daughter. He thinks the fastest spreading, most invasive disease we have not been able to combat isn't a big deal. But then it was...and it's also Obama's fault.

The only positive things I think I ever found about him are that he hasn't started a war yet...but almost fucked that up with Iran by gloating about his attack on a general and not...I dunno lying about it and denying like any smart politician would do. And I remember at the final debate him actually saying he admired Hilary Clinton's tenacity and unyielding spirit and thought them strengths, while the only positive thing she had to say about him was...that he had children.

Their best and brightest heroes of the past 40 years have been 2 talking Bushes, Newt Gingritch, Ronald McDonald, Lindsey Graham, and Ted Cruz

Yeah...gonna pass on that. So then we have

Democrats = Ah Pepsi, totally NOT Coke at all. Originally the Federalist or "National Repulican Party" (Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, Rufus King, John Marshall etc) Originally stood for Strong Central government and banks. Feared anarchy and and a non unified front. Even toyed with the idea of a monarchy. By today's political maps would have been very center right leaning authoritarian. Taken over by large bank interests and wealthy media moguls who moved the party so far to the left that they now think the Soviet Union wasn't such a bad idea after all! Also that burning down private businesses and looting is an acceptable and cathartic response to police murdering a black man on camera. Constantly virtue signalling and immediately devouring the last popular person who said something wrong.

Favorite past times include: Inciting wars in smaller countries or arming both sides of a conflict and tanking bets on who will win. Included in that selling weapons to drug cartels that get your own border guards killed. Telling you how or forcing you to spend your money a certain way. The hypocrisy of believing in diversity of race, gender, etc. but not opinion. Redefining Fascism as a right wing ideology when it was in fact just as left wing as Marxism with the focus instead on "Nationalism". Three and done drug policies that have people serving life sentences for non violent crimes.

Current POTUS candidate is bat shit crazy, probably has dementia (has actually suffered TWO brain aneurysms), is unfit to lead his household let alone a country, is a womanizer and child molester. His legacy the crime bill is the possibly the single biggest contributor to why over 1% of the entire American population is in prison. Voted to overturn Glass-Steagall, caved to "peer pressure" against desegregation, and supported Bush's insanely stupid Iraq War.

Positive things are that he will admit when he is wrong and that he is falliable, but flip flops on things so much that I don't think he really believes in anything except what the aforementioned virtue signalers have suggested.

Our best and brightest heroes of the past 40 years have been 2 Clintons, Obama, Pelosi, AOC, and Kamala Harris...yeah ALSO pass.

And this is exactly why my votes were 2008 - Ron Paul, 2012 - Ron Paul, 2016 - Gary Johnson, 2020...well would have been Tulsi Gabbard, but that's fucked now...

Maybe...just maybe if we entertained the idea of more than two choices. Nah we can't do that. After all, you can't polarize the people if there are more than two factions.