HAHAHAHA!

Ah wow!

There was something not quite right about the accounts and how they were run but I wasn't expecting it to be this.

In the piracy thread, one of their shill accounts sent me:

"From MJD Artpar 29 days ago
Hey mate,
I agree with you.
Jessie is really expensive but she is super fit!
I reckon it's the boyfriend who stopped her getting her tits out.
Where can you see her stuff for free as I can never find anything online other than the ones that appear on PH and VK?
They seem to get removed rapidly.
Arthur"

So you're saying you have a prehensile penis? Must be quite an icebreaker at (a certain type of) parties!

On a more serious note, you've essentially slurred the character of not only every producer and model here, but every member of the UMD as well. Because from this point of view, the rest of us come here regularly to be teased and titillated into a state where we can't help but fork over cash for sexual satisfaction... so surely decent and ethical behavior would be silly to expect from us as well, right? I'm not denying that the basic motivations described above are accurate: even if they are genuine wammers, producers are primarily here to make money (or in a minority of cases to ameliorate losses incurred in realizing their own sexual fantasies) and the audience is here for various forms of sexual titillation. It's your disgust with all of this that is truly puzzling. While what I describe above IS a point of view some people would take towards this or any other site catering to fetishistic and/or pornographic interests, I'm baffled at how a member of this site can get up on this particular high horse.

Isn't that how a pimp runs the show with his girls?

Yeah that was me - I very happily banned you and at least did you the courtesy of telling you so, and why. I don't owe you anything least of all an apology! Cheekiest thing I've heard in my life Some of your views are absolutely diabolical and I don't want that (hypocritical, I might add) sexist negativity anywhere near my house or gunge tank. Nothing to do with autism - my brother is autistic and manages not to have abhorrent views.

I have absolutely no idea what i am supposed to have said (you said it was about "single mothers". I have NEVER expressed any such opinions on social media). I asked you to clarify and you refused/failed to. Being autistic your nastiness on what is clearly a case of mistaken identity caused me to feel anxious initially but at the end of the day you are just an internet person, a "celebrity" in a tiny bubble community. This thread is about Messy Jessie not being as she seems; i know from what i've experienced that you too are putting on a show and i would strongly encourage relative newbees/partial contributers like me to not buy your content. If you do really have an autistic brother you would apologise and explain what, where and when i have ever said what you are alleging.

On one of the replies on the Store Owners Forum thread about this, the Jessica25.umd.net account said:

"Because at the time he organised a low repayment plan for my debt so it was better to have me receive a fixed income from work for the incoming and outgoing sheet.So the UMD money went to him then he paid me the fixed amount.He only had the 50% because I insisted he had something back for helping me but actually he's never used that money for him.He doesn't need it."

Firstly you're the one that brought me up on this thread so don't then try and have a go at me for replying

Secondly I blocked you from my email so didn't receive any replies.

Anyway - I am sorry to have caused you any anxiety, but it was not mistaken identity and nor was I nasty at any point. I simply said that due to your views you would not be welcome for a session.

It is nasty, and is not ok to call someone an 'immoral slut' because she had a baby with her boyfriend of 7 months. There were other questionable comments too but that is one example. I blocked your twitter before I saw anything else rage inducing. It was a long time ago now and I'm not about to go dredging for proof. Just rest assured I saw it and I have a long memory and after fobbing you off a for a while I decided to just be straight and tell you it was not going to happen and why.

If you have any further comments feel free to inbox me or email on candyguyswam@gmail.com (you're not blocked there) because this is enough thread hijacking now. Thanks.

Can we perhaps use some sense here and keep this on topic? You can clearly see this is a very significant matter in this community and doesn't need derailing with this.

I have known Candy for some time now, face to face and by chat, she has only ever been polite and approachable (in the past we have had our different views which have led to tension but), I can assure you her responses are always in line with the level of grief she is given.

Now, considering we're on a post which focuses a lot on false accusations ruining reputations unfairly, can we please leave this for an appropriate forum?

Adding messages with some humour is one thing, accusations of discrimination is another and is not something this community has ever stood for.

Whether you are or are not autistic, no-one cares! In this community you are simply one of the family...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og7-6YubuS4

Since you seem incapable of comprehending how the vast majority of people use language, I will educate you. When referring to a job, it nearly always means something they do to earn money. Even if you were obtuse enough to not get that, she then refers to it as her "livelihood" which should make clear that it is her sole source of income. Whatever other obligations she has in her live, they are not "jobs" that provide her with money. Since you have figured out how to use a computer, I can only believe that you should be bright enough to have understood what she meant and are being intentionally obtuse and hostile. As final clarification, I offer the following: "Calling out jerks on the internet is the easiest job I will ever love".

I think you've misunderstood Jason's meaning. I admit it could have been clearer, as I had to read it a couple of times, and he is using the word "job" in a slightly odd way, but I think he was being supportive of Jayce, not critical. I read it as a sympathetic "I know you've a lot more on your plate than just making WAM films". He isn't "intentionally obtuse and hostile" at all. Go and read some of his other posts.

I find all of this disturbing. What were her actual health problems? Why was she loosing weight in limbs but not her chest. She posed blindfolded and bound and was doing foot fetish work. Why? That's a black flag. Is she really receiving therapy?

If there is ever a woman who needs outreach, it is she.

Amended to note that Lisa drugs her performers? Talk about projection! (As a Yank.)

Yet again a thread deteriorates into an off topic slanging match.

It's such a shame.

Welcome to the Internet. Any longish thread is liable to do that at some point.

To get back on topic though, Jessie's personal relationship isn't really any of our business, the core issues that triggered all this were the deliberate manipulation of UMD systems, the use of sock puppet accounts to artificially bump things and self-promote (and the apparently fake competition "won" by one of them) plus the fact that posts appearing to be coming from a female wamner were actually being posted by a man. Those are all major breaches of trust affecting all of us in varying ways. TBH I think MM has been very restrained and reasonable in how he's handled things.

Don't think "least popular".


Think "most notorious".

Can we try to keep this on topic and not to call out or to attack others.

Interesting that although "Jessie" is incommunicado, managed to log in today. Makes you wonder what is The Truth.

I too noticed the change in the posts from the fun pitches to the hard sell and "sympathy" posts. We all have family challenges, MM knows about my own, but here I can be myself.

One solution would be for Jessie to vlog, like she used to do before sessions.

I wish her all the best, but I am afraid she has reached the end of the road, WAM/SPLOSH wise as her reputation has gone.

B

I think Jessie and I should hug it out.

This, but Mike shows up and goes in for the hug at the last minute.

As long as he knows I'm not up for any weird ass play.

seatedliberty1, thanks for jumping to defense of our stars. My comment appears to have come off wrong. As Moreslime followed up, I was actually trying to be supportive. I actually talk to Jayce from time to time out side of here and know a bit about her life situation. Was trying to establish that I know some of our wonderful models and stars have a lot more going on in life than just WAM.

Sorry to have come off as a d-bag

As a person that sporadically posts on here, I think it's appropriate I give my two cents on this.

When Jessie was going through her health problems, and "Mike" was posting all of the updates...he mentioned he was posting on her behalf. Fine, whatever.

But then, long after that incident, the posts from Jessie's account that promoted videos, pictures, etc., which all ended with her signature at the end...something just seemed "off" to me. Seeing Jessie's posts from before her health struggles, she was almost always using correct grammar, throwing in some curse words every now and again to keep it spicy (but also show some personality). Those posts from her account after have lacked all of that! Even the replies to different threads in the forums just didn't seem right.

I didn't say anything because, who the hell am I to make such an accusation? But seeing this post, it all makes sense. FWIW, I wish Jessie, and all of the producers and all of the customers that this incident caused the best of luck, and hopefully it didn't cause *too* much damage.

My apologies. The internet does a notoriously poor job of showing facial expression and conveying inflection. I am sorry to have wrongly attacked you. Until there's a mea culpa emoji, that will have to suffice.

I often wish there was a second horn in the car for similar purposes.

Just my point of view, but simply banning Jessie/Mike for what he/she/they've done could be seen as getting off lightly. In some jurisdictions it's actually a crime to engage in shilling of this kind - loaded competitions, shill accounts, artificial driving of sales by devious means etc. Sites such as Etsy and ebay have stern warnings against it and it's also illegal in some places to do things like post fake reviews of one's own business. So I think, MM, you might consider appending this as a warning under the terms of use.

1. People engage in personal non-related beef in threads like this because they know it's got people's attention and they want to be heard. They see this as their chance to air out dirty laundry and actually have someone give a fuck.

2. I was curious, and only mildly (this entire thing is the exact not-reason I log into the UMD, trust me), but I was curious when I saw "her" initial response and it was very self-sympathy oriented and suggested outright that MM announced it when he did around her vacation, with the strong implication it was done on purpose.

Did Jessy every mention this vacation prior to being busted here? (my guess, nope)

3. If I was a betting man, the hard sell and sympathy posts are not her. She comes off as very checked out to be honest, probably trusted the wrong person to promote and run her business.

No excuse for lying to MM's face about it, though. Just be fucking honest. Just say you fucked up and were desperate to inflate your views and the opinion of your work. Just say that you've checked out and Mike is running your operation. Whatever it is, it is. Especially once this kind of thing gets out, you know you're going to be looked into, come on.

The mention of this vacation came AFTER shit hit the fan.

Part of me feels compelled to say something... anything... to show my concern, but...

...so many posts on here get such negative feedback either from misunderstanding or people trying to be open and honest about their opinions or what they controbute as facts that its' scary. I know some drama is a part of life, but... does all of it have to be on here too? it's just sad the way our world seems to be today for whatever reason.

As a lurker here for a good while and a friend to many others, its' very detering but necessary sometimes to acknowledge some things that are just facts of life:

People aren't always who they say they are or appear to be, but you want to give the benefit of the doubt and be fair as well as open, for life without others is empty.

You don't always know the whole story, but some believe they do. You want to be fair and defend something, but often can't without making an enemy.

You want someone to talk to and be there for you, but are scares to friend others.
You want to reach out to someone you like or admire, but don't want to scare them off.
You want to be there for someone or at least be friendly, but can't be bombarded.

It's sad how many topics just in this fourm alone this applies to.

Again, some of this is necessary; people deserve to know why something is happening with respect to the parties involved. People have a right to voice their opinions and get it out of their system. Talking in agreement or sisagreement helps us learn, however painful. Both good and bad things can bring people together as much as tear them apart.

I just felt it was necessary to say all this and acnowledge these facts before we lash out or shun to harshly. Sometimes we must, but its' hars to take back. We must all be careful if we want to do what is right. It shows you truly care when you do.

Thank you