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"A Note About Jessica25"
Love you, too
Hi, UMD family.
I hate to announce that the account of Jessica25 will cease to exist on UMD after the end of February. This is after the discovery that since last June, she and her associate were using two extra puppet accounts to secretly bolster their presence by responding to Jessica's posts, love her content, and covertly back them in any initiatives and arguments, both public and private.
They also used the personal coupon system to coordinate massive purchases of their own content extremely cheaply, effectively overriding several of our ratings systems including pushing their store to Top Store position.
Despite Jessie being a popular personality here, it's come to be known that for the past two years, "she" was normally really her associate, who was apparently in control of every aspect of her presence, as well as the puppet accounts. To own multiple accounts is no crime. But to use them to constantly mislead the people of UMD and defraud the site's rankings is clearly reason to be removed.
I have given Jessie until the end of February to tie up any loose ends and gracefully delete her own account. I wish her well. I'm sorry that this happened, and it's sad we couldn't come to a different conclusion. Thanks so much to the all the producers who advised me this past week. I will respond to this thread later with details, because I think everybody deserves to know.
Messmaster
I hate to announce that the account of Jessica25 will cease to exist on UMD after the end of February. This is after the discovery that since last June, she and her associate were using two extra puppet accounts to secretly bolster their presence by responding to Jessica's posts, love her content, and covertly back them in any initiatives and arguments, both public and private.
They also used the personal coupon system to coordinate massive purchases of their own content extremely cheaply, effectively overriding several of our ratings systems including pushing their store to Top Store position.
Despite Jessie being a popular personality here, it's come to be known that for the past two years, "she" was normally really her associate, who was apparently in control of every aspect of her presence, as well as the puppet accounts. To own multiple accounts is no crime. But to use them to constantly mislead the people of UMD and defraud the site's rankings is clearly reason to be removed.
I have given Jessie until the end of February to tie up any loose ends and gracefully delete her own account. I wish her well. I'm sorry that this happened, and it's sad we couldn't come to a different conclusion. Thanks so much to the all the producers who advised me this past week. I will respond to this thread later with details, because I think everybody deserves to know.
Messmaster
Stay messy, my friends
How is Reege suppose to send her unwanted perving now? Reconsider this!
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
The two puppet accounts were Artpar and Jezzapeepshow and were run by Jessie's associate MJDjessica25.umd.net. Those accounts have been removed, but their forum posts remain. I have renamed them MJD Artpar and MJD Jezzapeepshow. I provide the links below, in case you would like to see how he used those accounts in conversation as well as his own MJDjessica25.umd.net account.
Artpar: https://umd.net/forums/search_submitted/1/forum_search_criteria[author_id]/80271
Jezzapeepshow: https://umd.net/forums/search_submitted/1/forum_search_criteria[author_id]/80283
He also used these accounts to inbox other users in support of Jessie, say he's had customs done, and give thousands of loves for Jessie's content. That's in addition to running Jessie's and his own accounts as well. As I posted a while ago for the UMD producers to deliberate on, here are some highlights:
Jessica25 and Jezzapeepshow act like they don't know each other:
https://umd.net/forums/free-30-min-xmas-film-from-jes
Jezzapeepshow plugging a fake custom, saying how great Jessica25 and Mike did at it:
https://umd.net/forums/messy-sessions_8
Using the Artpar account to bump an OT, days after it was posted. This was this January:
https://umd.net/forums/big-shower-off-scene-in-black-underwear
Another thread with only one other real participant... notice how Jessica25 "thanks him" for a custom:
https://umd.net/forums/vintage-denim-dress-mess-gunge-and-pies
A competition for $1000 worth of films, which Jezzapeepshow conveniently won:
https://umd.net/forums/competition-to-win-over-1000-worth-of-j?start=30
This level of manipulation is one thing, but learning that the same guy has been behind the Jessica25 profile itself was a bit unnerving, especially given the emphasis on using her heath and girl issues to gain a sympathetic following. None of us knows their relationship, so I don't want that to be a part of this conversation. We shouldn't judge Jessie in any way because we all live own lives in ways that no-one else would understand. But you deserve better than people who would allow their account and online presence to be manipulated in such a way.
On the fraud side of things, I'll paste what I wrote to the Store Owners:
"The largest offense was that they actually defrauded our user rating system. Not just by using the extra accounts to Love everything that Jessica25 does (over 1000 times they did this). They actually created a massively deep-cut coupon that was personal, so only they could use it. Then they would also put a temporary sale up on top of that, and then purchase hundreds of their own scenes for almost nothing, effectively putting them into the Top Store spot, and probably user of the day, etc."
This was effectively buying Top Store position for $5. I did confront MJD about why he this, and his excuse was that he was testing how the Top Store system worked. He then accused another producer of having done the same thing in order to remain Top Store for so long (buying their own stuff really cheaply to boost themselves up). His evidence was how quickly Jessie fell back out of Top Store position after he had purposely defrauded it into 1st place. I explained to him back then (this was June 2017) that no other producer has ever done anything like that that except him, on Jessie25's behalf. I also explained that it's on a 72-hour rotation where sales made 3 days back no longer count. So even if he bought a million of Jessie's scenes for a penny each, the true top store would still bounce right back in place, because they have actual consistent daily sales. He also didn't seem to take notice of the other sections he disrupted with all the loves and purchase fraud, like Wammer of the Day, Trending Scenes, Top Sellers, etc etc. That was not fair to the rest of you who might have gotten those honors more over the months.
It was only recently that I found out about the puppet accounts, along with over a hundred additional scene purchases made through one of them, in addition to the 300 or so made from his own account. My decision to remove MJD was made a week ago because of this, but I had to make a decision about Jessica25 account itself. If I could be assured that it was really her behind future postings, perhaps she could stay. I spoke with Jessie on Skype about all that has been going on in her name, and she assured me that she had no part of it, and that he would no longer be a part of the site in any way. But the very next day, he was back on again posting as Jessie, but being his normal belligerent, defensive self. It was obvious from the typing style as well as several other factors that it was him. One final Skype between Jessie and me, where she admitted it was him after first lying that it wasn't, convinced me that there is no need to waste more energy on this.
Jessie's public-facing account and store will be closed at the end of this month. All streaming subscribers have already been canceled. The subscriptions will remain active until the last one has run out, March 14. Jessie has until March 14 to access and re-download any content she may have missing. Any content of Jessie on other UMD stores owned by others, will be allowed to remain. I will respond to any legal requests normally. The actual Jessie account is still live for now, as she is still invited to write a response of her own. But if it's discovered that anybody but her is posting, I'll have to remove her account sooner. You can inbox me if you have any questions or concerns.
Thanks,
Messmaster
Artpar: https://umd.net/forums/search_submitted/1/forum_search_criteria[author_id]/80271
Jezzapeepshow: https://umd.net/forums/search_submitted/1/forum_search_criteria[author_id]/80283
He also used these accounts to inbox other users in support of Jessie, say he's had customs done, and give thousands of loves for Jessie's content. That's in addition to running Jessie's and his own accounts as well. As I posted a while ago for the UMD producers to deliberate on, here are some highlights:
Jessica25 and Jezzapeepshow act like they don't know each other:
https://umd.net/forums/free-30-min-xmas-film-from-jes
Jezzapeepshow plugging a fake custom, saying how great Jessica25 and Mike did at it:
https://umd.net/forums/messy-sessions_8
Using the Artpar account to bump an OT, days after it was posted. This was this January:
https://umd.net/forums/big-shower-off-scene-in-black-underwear
Another thread with only one other real participant... notice how Jessica25 "thanks him" for a custom:
https://umd.net/forums/vintage-denim-dress-mess-gunge-and-pies
A competition for $1000 worth of films, which Jezzapeepshow conveniently won:
https://umd.net/forums/competition-to-win-over-1000-worth-of-j?start=30
This level of manipulation is one thing, but learning that the same guy has been behind the Jessica25 profile itself was a bit unnerving, especially given the emphasis on using her heath and girl issues to gain a sympathetic following. None of us knows their relationship, so I don't want that to be a part of this conversation. We shouldn't judge Jessie in any way because we all live own lives in ways that no-one else would understand. But you deserve better than people who would allow their account and online presence to be manipulated in such a way.
On the fraud side of things, I'll paste what I wrote to the Store Owners:
"The largest offense was that they actually defrauded our user rating system. Not just by using the extra accounts to Love everything that Jessica25 does (over 1000 times they did this). They actually created a massively deep-cut coupon that was personal, so only they could use it. Then they would also put a temporary sale up on top of that, and then purchase hundreds of their own scenes for almost nothing, effectively putting them into the Top Store spot, and probably user of the day, etc."
This was effectively buying Top Store position for $5. I did confront MJD about why he this, and his excuse was that he was testing how the Top Store system worked. He then accused another producer of having done the same thing in order to remain Top Store for so long (buying their own stuff really cheaply to boost themselves up). His evidence was how quickly Jessie fell back out of Top Store position after he had purposely defrauded it into 1st place. I explained to him back then (this was June 2017) that no other producer has ever done anything like that that except him, on Jessie25's behalf. I also explained that it's on a 72-hour rotation where sales made 3 days back no longer count. So even if he bought a million of Jessie's scenes for a penny each, the true top store would still bounce right back in place, because they have actual consistent daily sales. He also didn't seem to take notice of the other sections he disrupted with all the loves and purchase fraud, like Wammer of the Day, Trending Scenes, Top Sellers, etc etc. That was not fair to the rest of you who might have gotten those honors more over the months.
It was only recently that I found out about the puppet accounts, along with over a hundred additional scene purchases made through one of them, in addition to the 300 or so made from his own account. My decision to remove MJD was made a week ago because of this, but I had to make a decision about Jessica25 account itself. If I could be assured that it was really her behind future postings, perhaps she could stay. I spoke with Jessie on Skype about all that has been going on in her name, and she assured me that she had no part of it, and that he would no longer be a part of the site in any way. But the very next day, he was back on again posting as Jessie, but being his normal belligerent, defensive self. It was obvious from the typing style as well as several other factors that it was him. One final Skype between Jessie and me, where she admitted it was him after first lying that it wasn't, convinced me that there is no need to waste more energy on this.
Jessie's public-facing account and store will be closed at the end of this month. All streaming subscribers have already been canceled. The subscriptions will remain active until the last one has run out, March 14. Jessie has until March 14 to access and re-download any content she may have missing. Any content of Jessie on other UMD stores owned by others, will be allowed to remain. I will respond to any legal requests normally. The actual Jessie account is still live for now, as she is still invited to write a response of her own. But if it's discovered that anybody but her is posting, I'll have to remove her account sooner. You can inbox me if you have any questions or concerns.
Thanks,
Messmaster
Stay messy, my friends
EmmaM said:
Mike has also had many personal conversations with other female producers about their lives and health posing as Jessie. He role played as her for months and many of us feel violated by his lies.
Messmaster said: But the very next day, he was back on again posting as Jessie, but being his normal belligerent, defensive self. It was obvious from the typing style as well as several other factors that it was him. One final Skype between Jessie and me, where she admitted it was him after first lying that it wasn't, convinced me that there is no need to waste more energy on this.
Mike has also had many personal conversations with other female producers about their lives and health posing as Jessie. He role played as her for months and many of us feel violated by his lies.
The thought of Mike sitting at a keyboard going on and on about how amazing he is really creeps me the fuck out. Just saying.
This really puts a damper on my Jessie cosplay.
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
The primary concern for myself is the damage to reputation experienced by a number of models and a number of producers. Slander is a very difficult thing to undo when it's done in the name of someone so popular in the WAM community.
I can't stress enough, anyone who was deterred from going to another producer or using a model for any service by this unfortunate, inappropriate use of influence, use the general community vibe and not the harsh and potentially untrue words of this rogue account as your guide.
For me, I don't want to see models and producers (old and new) stripped of their hard earned positive reputation within this community (a community that we all, in one form or another, have worked hard to develop) by the actions of greed and undue malicious slander.
The people you have always loved are still the amazing people they always were!
I can't stress enough, anyone who was deterred from going to another producer or using a model for any service by this unfortunate, inappropriate use of influence, use the general community vibe and not the harsh and potentially untrue words of this rogue account as your guide.
For me, I don't want to see models and producers (old and new) stripped of their hard earned positive reputation within this community (a community that we all, in one form or another, have worked hard to develop) by the actions of greed and undue malicious slander.
The people you have always loved are still the amazing people they always were!
Everyone, after a nightmare week in many ways, although had some good bits too, I had thought that I was able to enjoy my children over half term, get packed and have a week off before having to deal with this situation. However, I've just been sent a link to this post and having told MM I was going away for a week and not loggin on. I am extremely surprised that he has chosen to make this post now.
For the record a similar post was made in the store owners forum last week and there was a hysterical reaction on there led by the 3 or 4 parties Mike had disagreements with, including accusations that he was a pimp and I am a prostitute. They also said that I was in danger and that Mike was abusive both physically and mentally. All of this is untrue. The relentless bullying from members of UMD has been awful. I haven't felt bullying like this for 2 years. My personal life is just that, personal. I know some you personally and those people know how happy me and Mike are.
I suggest if anone wants to speak to the real me about any product, customs or sessions, they send an email to my work email which is info@messy-jessie.co.uk
For those who know me, I'll happily talk via Skype to reassure you that I'm fine and everything is normal with us.
There are 2 sides to every story. I suggest nobody makes guesses or think they know the full truth without actually knowing the full truth.
MM states here that I admitted to lying 'One final Skype between Jessie and me, where she admitted it was him after first lying that it wasn't,' I didn't say that. I also showed my face on the Skype call, but MM did not show his.
I don't know why EmmaM has suddenly got involved and neithe me or Mike has accused Leon of drugging models before a shoot. EmmaM has just read that in a comment from Leon in the store owmers post and believed it to be a fact.
There has been inappropriate behaviour towards me from some producers and customers.
She has also said that Mike 'even admitted that her income went into his account', she has decided the reasons for this apparently need a confession, where as the technical reason for that happening was more to do with accountants advice.
She then again makes comments on my personal relationship. I have messaged EmmaM/Pippa Lily privately and offered to speak to her face to face.
I have been speaking to different producers and customers and each has the opportunity to speak to me face to face.
Please note that although certain people have decided to post content about what was discussed, I haven't done that regardless of personal attacks from one producer about another.
I'm really annoyed that I've had to come back on here tonight. I sent this message yesterday to MM, 'I have a practical problem regarding the cut off on February 28th. It's half term from this Friday until Monday 26th so I will be busy with the children and won't be able to do what I need to do with my account on UMD. Would you be willing to give me an extension?
It's taken me around 2 years to get the content on so it's going to take me a good while to get all I need off.'
I've posted on social media and here in UMD that I was going to just concentrate on being with the children and family for a week and be back Monday 26th February to discuss this situation. So I don't understand why this has been posted now when I wouldn't be able to defend myself.
I'd ask people not to judge me without knowing all the facts, I certainly don't agree with all the facts presented here or in the store owners forum. I started to correct many inaccuracies and claims in the store owners forum and intedned to finish answering on February 26th but it appears today more 'Chinese whispers' style description of facts at a time when I wouldn't be here to see it or defend myself.
In addition, it's up to you as customers if you want to buy my films from elsewhere or still deal with me. Everything written about my health and well being has been fact, I have medical proof if challenged whereas some of what is being said about me, Mike or both us hasn't been proved.
In regards to the technical aspects of what Mike is supposed to have done with the love and the purchases, he hasn't ever made it a big secret in conversations with MM or other prodcers. I'm still not sure I understand the technical details but I get the jist of it. MM has said he has technical reports that show when the purchases were made. I'm totally happy if detail of those purchases and what dates they were are published here.
With the loves thing, it seems he not only helped to become the user of the day or a higher rank, but other producers who he discussed it with.
I can happily apologise for any wrong doing. Mike was prepared to apologise for any wrong doing and did so on the basis that I would be left alone and he would take full responsibility, but that hasn't happened. I have not been left alone.
A lot has been made of Mike's writing style and my writing style and there are of course programs that claim to detect a male or a female style of writing and I'm sure they're very good. Again, if MM wants to provide details of how he can determine a male or a femail hand, I have no problem.
I have seen such a program working earlier today and tried it out using my own typing and Mike's typing and selected producers posts on UMD with interesting results regarding male or female hand. I've also discovered there is spyware that can use ones webcam to watch who is on the computer, which is quite frightening really especially as I'm not always dressed and often have no make-up on when posting. My webcams are well and truly covered now.
My personal life with Mike is very happy, the happiest I've been in years. All family and my ture friends know this, in particular my children and my mum. Although certain producers have tried to make me out to be some weak, put up on woman, I have never been stronger mentally or physically nor more comfortable financially or well looked after.
Mike's nickname is bear and mine is squirrel after a book I found. My daughter and I love fairies and Fairy Snug is another of my nicknames. Some time ago, I found a pictute of a teddy bear with a little fairy sitting on his leg and amongst other such pictures, I sent it to Mike and he used it on his profile pic. Even that pic has been used against Mike in the store owners forum as though it would somehow be offensive to me.
I'm totally fed up now but there is no way I'm going to let it ruin this coming week. I've no idea if this post will get deleted or altered. But I will take a screen grab anyway so I know it was posted by me.
Jessie
PS. You are more than welcome to analyse this post with software and guess work etc, but it is definitely me.
For the record a similar post was made in the store owners forum last week and there was a hysterical reaction on there led by the 3 or 4 parties Mike had disagreements with, including accusations that he was a pimp and I am a prostitute. They also said that I was in danger and that Mike was abusive both physically and mentally. All of this is untrue. The relentless bullying from members of UMD has been awful. I haven't felt bullying like this for 2 years. My personal life is just that, personal. I know some you personally and those people know how happy me and Mike are.
I suggest if anone wants to speak to the real me about any product, customs or sessions, they send an email to my work email which is info@messy-jessie.co.uk
For those who know me, I'll happily talk via Skype to reassure you that I'm fine and everything is normal with us.
There are 2 sides to every story. I suggest nobody makes guesses or think they know the full truth without actually knowing the full truth.
MM states here that I admitted to lying 'One final Skype between Jessie and me, where she admitted it was him after first lying that it wasn't,' I didn't say that. I also showed my face on the Skype call, but MM did not show his.
I don't know why EmmaM has suddenly got involved and neithe me or Mike has accused Leon of drugging models before a shoot. EmmaM has just read that in a comment from Leon in the store owmers post and believed it to be a fact.
There has been inappropriate behaviour towards me from some producers and customers.
She has also said that Mike 'even admitted that her income went into his account', she has decided the reasons for this apparently need a confession, where as the technical reason for that happening was more to do with accountants advice.
She then again makes comments on my personal relationship. I have messaged EmmaM/Pippa Lily privately and offered to speak to her face to face.
I have been speaking to different producers and customers and each has the opportunity to speak to me face to face.
Please note that although certain people have decided to post content about what was discussed, I haven't done that regardless of personal attacks from one producer about another.
I'm really annoyed that I've had to come back on here tonight. I sent this message yesterday to MM, 'I have a practical problem regarding the cut off on February 28th. It's half term from this Friday until Monday 26th so I will be busy with the children and won't be able to do what I need to do with my account on UMD. Would you be willing to give me an extension?
It's taken me around 2 years to get the content on so it's going to take me a good while to get all I need off.'
I've posted on social media and here in UMD that I was going to just concentrate on being with the children and family for a week and be back Monday 26th February to discuss this situation. So I don't understand why this has been posted now when I wouldn't be able to defend myself.
I'd ask people not to judge me without knowing all the facts, I certainly don't agree with all the facts presented here or in the store owners forum. I started to correct many inaccuracies and claims in the store owners forum and intedned to finish answering on February 26th but it appears today more 'Chinese whispers' style description of facts at a time when I wouldn't be here to see it or defend myself.
In addition, it's up to you as customers if you want to buy my films from elsewhere or still deal with me. Everything written about my health and well being has been fact, I have medical proof if challenged whereas some of what is being said about me, Mike or both us hasn't been proved.
In regards to the technical aspects of what Mike is supposed to have done with the love and the purchases, he hasn't ever made it a big secret in conversations with MM or other prodcers. I'm still not sure I understand the technical details but I get the jist of it. MM has said he has technical reports that show when the purchases were made. I'm totally happy if detail of those purchases and what dates they were are published here.
With the loves thing, it seems he not only helped to become the user of the day or a higher rank, but other producers who he discussed it with.
I can happily apologise for any wrong doing. Mike was prepared to apologise for any wrong doing and did so on the basis that I would be left alone and he would take full responsibility, but that hasn't happened. I have not been left alone.
A lot has been made of Mike's writing style and my writing style and there are of course programs that claim to detect a male or a female style of writing and I'm sure they're very good. Again, if MM wants to provide details of how he can determine a male or a femail hand, I have no problem.
I have seen such a program working earlier today and tried it out using my own typing and Mike's typing and selected producers posts on UMD with interesting results regarding male or female hand. I've also discovered there is spyware that can use ones webcam to watch who is on the computer, which is quite frightening really especially as I'm not always dressed and often have no make-up on when posting. My webcams are well and truly covered now.
My personal life with Mike is very happy, the happiest I've been in years. All family and my ture friends know this, in particular my children and my mum. Although certain producers have tried to make me out to be some weak, put up on woman, I have never been stronger mentally or physically nor more comfortable financially or well looked after.
Mike's nickname is bear and mine is squirrel after a book I found. My daughter and I love fairies and Fairy Snug is another of my nicknames. Some time ago, I found a pictute of a teddy bear with a little fairy sitting on his leg and amongst other such pictures, I sent it to Mike and he used it on his profile pic. Even that pic has been used against Mike in the store owners forum as though it would somehow be offensive to me.
I'm totally fed up now but there is no way I'm going to let it ruin this coming week. I've no idea if this post will get deleted or altered. But I will take a screen grab anyway so I know it was posted by me.
Jessie
PS. You are more than welcome to analyse this post with software and guess work etc, but it is definitely me.
MyPieRogative said:
The thought of Mike sitting at a keyboard going on and on about how amazing he is really creeps me the fuck out. Just saying.
EmmaM said:
Mike has also had many personal conversations with other female producers about their lives and health posing as Jessie. He role played as her for months and many of us feel violated by his lies.
Messmaster said: But the very next day, he was back on again posting as Jessie, but being his normal belligerent, defensive self. It was obvious from the typing style as well as several other factors that it was him. One final Skype between Jessie and me, where she admitted it was him after first lying that it wasn't, convinced me that there is no need to waste more energy on this.
Mike has also had many personal conversations with other female producers about their lives and health posing as Jessie. He role played as her for months and many of us feel violated by his lies.
The thought of Mike sitting at a keyboard going on and on about how amazing he is really creeps me the fuck out. Just saying.
Also, just for the record, the hysterical and dangerous direction the store owners post took about my 'safety' was instigated by Maria. Maria was the person who sent me a similar hysterical message when I was in a mental healthe unit, going back and forth from intensive care back in January 2016. As a result of me being very distressed, Mike had an arguement with her. As a result of the latest comments by Maria and the comments that then led to by other people, I did Maria the courtesy of speaking to her over Skype. She didn't get the response she wanted to get in that it was me who was upset by her a couple of years ago and also that I was perfectly fine, not in danger, having a nice life other than this situation. I couldn't be happier with how things are going with Mike.
Again, people are guessing when it's been me writing or when it's been Mike writing and I am only prepared to have conversations with those women in question on a face to face basis via Skype. That way, there is no grey area.
It won't matter in regards to UMD as I won't be on it.
Jessie
I mentioned earlier that I privately messaged EmmaM/Pippa Lily and given she has never met me or Mike, she has now taken to posting third hand information about me, some of which is dangerously inaccurate. I would be happy to talk to her face to face. That would be the normal, practical thing to do in such circumstances even though I am in in the middle of packing to take the children away. The response I got, I quote, 'no that's fine, I don't care any more. It's clear what he has done to you, I'm surprised he's fucked you over financially and mentally and you are still with him. I don't have time for drama and this is too uch drama.'
This sort of message clearly takes any credibility away from anything this girl has to say as she has not taken the opportunity to speak to me face to face. The comment about me being financially and mentally fucked over are so far off the mark, it's almost laughable. I don't think anyone who actually knows us would be able to read that without laughing.
I suggest from now on, unless people actually know facts, they realise they won't be adding to a helpful conversation at all.
Jessie
This sort of message clearly takes any credibility away from anything this girl has to say as she has not taken the opportunity to speak to me face to face. The comment about me being financially and mentally fucked over are so far off the mark, it's almost laughable. I don't think anyone who actually knows us would be able to read that without laughing.
I suggest from now on, unless people actually know facts, they realise they won't be adding to a helpful conversation at all.
Jessie
Instigated? I said that dudes insane. I'm standing by that, as will other people who have had interactions with him that are staying silent because they were physically threatened by Mike, and for the reason that this drama isn't good for any of us. Ha. I offered you a connection to a very close friend with a ED that knows the ins and outs of the system in UK and better ways to find good treatment. Yes I asked about Mike when he was posting every tiny intimate detail of your illness to make sure you were aware and it was with your consent etc. God forbid I want to check on that. The response was straight up crazy and abusive from Mike. I'm not going to apologize for being concerned, especially after having multiple interactions and hearing about other people's interactions where he was a manipulative, controlling, sociopath twat. I think messmaster should just make the other post public. No one said you were a prostitute, no one said mike is a pimp. "Looks like Mikes pimping jessie out" or similar was said, but no one called either of you those things. For the record, yep I think Mike typed that. Just because of the rage towards me in it. Good luck y'all. I hope Jessie is happy and healthy, and Mike as I've said before... you can go fuck yaself! Woohoo!! 
P.S. jessie/Mike... none of this conviction was in that skype conversation. Another reason I personally think I'm speaking to a mike right now. X
On this note I'm out. Good luck and be well.
On this note I'm out. Good luck and be well.
First of all, I want to thank MessMaster for dealing with this issue in a public fashion. I know that many UMD members don't like to see fights or even just negative posts in the forums, but I think it is ultimately a good and healthy thing for things to be hashed out in plain daylight, rather than sweeping everything under the rug, which is what generally tends to happen with fights around here (all the posts tend to be quickly deleted as if nothing ever happened.) Of course, it does help when the allegations against someone are launched by an unimpeachable authority, i.e. MessMaster. Although Jessie above accuses him of misrepresenting the facts of her case, I'm sure I'm not alone in finding that VERY difficult to believe. Not saying MM is perfect -- no one is -- but sanctioning anyone is clearly the last thing he wants to do and he is always about giving people the benefit of the doubt and as many chances to mend their ways as feasibly possible. ALWAYS.
I can't believe how yet again there is a twisting of words where you are trying to deny what was stated and after being challnged, you meant something else or didn't say what you said Maria. You try and give the impression you are some thoughtful friend to me on here, yet your actions are nothing like that and if you are truly now going to stop creating situations that aren't there and trying to hint that again this is Mike and not me, then that can only be a positive thing. Each time you made a decision to do with my life and my illness and got it wrong and firtsly Mike and now myself have pit you straight on a few things, you don't like it and continue the attack on Mike. You've just lied outright in the store owners forum about the content of a conversation we had and tried to pass it off a joke. It seems now, as I stick up for myself against immense bullying on and off the forum, the line to roll out is , 'this must be Mike'.
Well, check with expert that is MM and as he appears to be able to tell whose words these are, but at the moment I can't rely on any sort of fair play or correct information being posted.
I'm happy to be out too as far as you are concerned, but if you write anything else that is inaccurate, I will respond.
There is no point in me mentioning what Mike thinks of you.
Well, check with expert that is MM and as he appears to be able to tell whose words these are, but at the moment I can't rely on any sort of fair play or correct information being posted.
I'm happy to be out too as far as you are concerned, but if you write anything else that is inaccurate, I will respond.
There is no point in me mentioning what Mike thinks of you.
Jessie, I will miss you and that fabulous set of knockers.
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
Secondly, I'll say I'm as surprised by this news as anyone (and of course even more so than anyone that has access to the producer forum). But somehow it makes a LOT Of SENSE out of some STRANGE THINGS that have been happening in Jessie's name ever since she came back from her hospitalization a little over two years ago.
Because Mike reposted some photo collages I made of Jessie about a week ago, I had occasion to revisit a tribute post I launched in late 2016 when I first learned of her hospitalization, the thread that I created those collages for. In that post I wrote the following: "I also wanted to say that while most of us -- producers and consumers alike -- seem to approach WAM with some combination of our gentialia, our brains, and our wallets, it is clear that Jessie's organ of admittance to WAM has always been her wonderfully oversized heart. (Yep, she's the anti-Grinch!) Anyone here with the remotest shred of sense is very glad you've been taking active part in these forums for the past decade or so, Jessie. You have always been a warm, open-hearted, and generous presence here, and your inner beauty is at least the equal of your outer lusciousness."
As I re-read these words last week, long before I learned of the revelations above, I found myself thinking, "BOY, have times changed!" Because more or less ever since Jessie returned from her hospital stay two years ago, her online personality has taken a hard right turn for the ugly side. "She" has become very braggy about how her store is often the #1 store on the UMD and how popular she is. "She" has actually threatened to expose those fickle-hearted fans who had the gall to give her lots of heart-clicks but never actually buy her videos as well as anyone who paid less than she considered fair value for videos she'd set as Name Your Price. "She" has harrangued other producers with accusations that seemed almost impossible. I never saw a lot of the dark things that "she" said about producers hinted at above, but from my lowly view as a non-producer, the public low point was close to a year ago when "she" totally laid into the good Reverend Slymsford -- who always seems as sweet and agreeable a person as a WAM producer could be -- over being unreasonable and dishonest and triggering breakdowns related to her illness on three separate occasions. (This happened in one of those heated threads that had all traces of the argument quickly deleted, but I saw them before the cleansing and found the whole thing deeply disturbing.)
Clearly, I was not aware of even one quarter of the twisted & bizarre things that have happened in Jessie's name over the past year or two. But even from my worm's eye view, this did not at all seem to be the Jessie we had come to know and love in her many previous years on the forum; this was some strange other creature that was extremely vain, petty, egotistical, and combative. And now we know that's because it was actually Mike posting as Jessie.
Because Mike reposted some photo collages I made of Jessie about a week ago, I had occasion to revisit a tribute post I launched in late 2016 when I first learned of her hospitalization, the thread that I created those collages for. In that post I wrote the following: "I also wanted to say that while most of us -- producers and consumers alike -- seem to approach WAM with some combination of our gentialia, our brains, and our wallets, it is clear that Jessie's organ of admittance to WAM has always been her wonderfully oversized heart. (Yep, she's the anti-Grinch!) Anyone here with the remotest shred of sense is very glad you've been taking active part in these forums for the past decade or so, Jessie. You have always been a warm, open-hearted, and generous presence here, and your inner beauty is at least the equal of your outer lusciousness."
As I re-read these words last week, long before I learned of the revelations above, I found myself thinking, "BOY, have times changed!" Because more or less ever since Jessie returned from her hospital stay two years ago, her online personality has taken a hard right turn for the ugly side. "She" has become very braggy about how her store is often the #1 store on the UMD and how popular she is. "She" has actually threatened to expose those fickle-hearted fans who had the gall to give her lots of heart-clicks but never actually buy her videos as well as anyone who paid less than she considered fair value for videos she'd set as Name Your Price. "She" has harrangued other producers with accusations that seemed almost impossible. I never saw a lot of the dark things that "she" said about producers hinted at above, but from my lowly view as a non-producer, the public low point was close to a year ago when "she" totally laid into the good Reverend Slymsford -- who always seems as sweet and agreeable a person as a WAM producer could be -- over being unreasonable and dishonest and triggering breakdowns related to her illness on three separate occasions. (This happened in one of those heated threads that had all traces of the argument quickly deleted, but I saw them before the cleansing and found the whole thing deeply disturbing.)
Clearly, I was not aware of even one quarter of the twisted & bizarre things that have happened in Jessie's name over the past year or two. But even from my worm's eye view, this did not at all seem to be the Jessie we had come to know and love in her many previous years on the forum; this was some strange other creature that was extremely vain, petty, egotistical, and combative. And now we know that's because it was actually Mike posting as Jessie.
jessica25.umd.net said: I can't believe how yet again there is a twisting of words where you are trying to deny what was stated and after being challnged, you meant something else or didn't say what you said Maria. You try and give the impression you are some thoughtful friend to me on here, yet your actions are nothing like that and if you are truly now going to stop creating situations that aren't there and trying to hint that again this is Mike and not me, then that can only be a positive thing. Each time you made a decision to do with my life and my illness and got it wrong and firtsly Mike and now myself have pit you straight on a few things, you don't like it and continue the attack on Mike. You've just lied outright in the store owners forum about the content of a conversation we had and tried to pass it off a joke. It seems now, as I stick up for myself against immense bullying on and off the forum, the line to roll out is , 'this must be Mike'.
Well, check with expert that is MM and as he appears to be able to tell whose words these are, but at the moment I can't rely on any sort of fair play or correct information being posted.
I'm happy to be out too as far as you are concerned, but if you write anything else that is inaccurate, I will respond.
There is no point in me mentioning what Mike thinks of you.
Well, check with expert that is MM and as he appears to be able to tell whose words these are, but at the moment I can't rely on any sort of fair play or correct information being posted.
I'm happy to be out too as far as you are concerned, but if you write anything else that is inaccurate, I will respond.
There is no point in me mentioning what Mike thinks of you.
I said MY TRUTH. Mike is a sociopath with a God/savior complex. All one needs to do is read the shit he has written about himself posing as you. It's really creepy. Jessie should read it ALL. I'm obviously not the only person with a disturbing personal truth about Mike. As for what Mike thinks of me I could care less, he succeeded in making me an enemy very quickly when I had outside help because again... he's a controlling manipulative nut job. Pretty standard behavior for that type of dude. We've all dated one at some point. They are hard to shake.
Good thing for me that I recorded the entire conversation because I know Mikes insane and had no idea what the fall out would be of entertaining a conversation about this crap. He got busted. The end.
To the real Jessie, I really do hope you are well and healthy.
EmmaM said:
I don't want to talk to you because I had private conversations with you that were more than likely Mike. You don't seem to have any issues with Mike taking over your account and having private conversations with other women posing as you for MONTHS. I don't believe anything you/Mike say and I don't want to continue talking to him about this END OF. He has dragged your name through the mud and you still stand by him even now when your account and income is about to be shut down. You are deluded and saying "This sort of message clearly takes any credibility away from anything this girl has to say as she has not taken the opportunity to speak to me face to face." Is ridiculous since Mike has been posting as you for months why would anyone believe this is really you when you were given the opportunity to stay on the forum as long as he didn't post as you and THE NEXT DAY HE WAS BACK.
The only person with NO CREDIBILITY is you.
You have yourself to blame.
jessica25.umd.net said: I mentioned earlier that I privately messaged EmmaM/Pippa Lily and given she has never met me or Mike, she has now taken to posting third hand information about me, some of which is dangerously inaccurate. I would be happy to talk to her face to face. That would be the normal, practical thing to do in such circumstances even though I am in in the middle of packing to take the children away. The response I got, I quote, 'no that's fine, I don't care any more. It's clear what he has done to you, I'm surprised he's fucked you over financially and mentally and you are still with him. I don't have time for drama and this is too uch drama.'
This sort of message clearly takes any credibility away from anything this girl has to say as she has not taken the opportunity to speak to me face to face. The comment about me being financially and mentally fucked over are so far off the mark, it's almost laughable. I don't think anyone who actually knows us would be able to read that without laughing.
I suggest from now on, unless people actually know facts, they realise they won't be adding to a helpful conversation at all.
Jessie
This sort of message clearly takes any credibility away from anything this girl has to say as she has not taken the opportunity to speak to me face to face. The comment about me being financially and mentally fucked over are so far off the mark, it's almost laughable. I don't think anyone who actually knows us would be able to read that without laughing.
I suggest from now on, unless people actually know facts, they realise they won't be adding to a helpful conversation at all.
Jessie
I don't want to talk to you because I had private conversations with you that were more than likely Mike. You don't seem to have any issues with Mike taking over your account and having private conversations with other women posing as you for MONTHS. I don't believe anything you/Mike say and I don't want to continue talking to him about this END OF. He has dragged your name through the mud and you still stand by him even now when your account and income is about to be shut down. You are deluded and saying "This sort of message clearly takes any credibility away from anything this girl has to say as she has not taken the opportunity to speak to me face to face." Is ridiculous since Mike has been posting as you for months why would anyone believe this is really you when you were given the opportunity to stay on the forum as long as he didn't post as you and THE NEXT DAY HE WAS BACK.
The only person with NO CREDIBILITY is you.
You have yourself to blame.
All the conversations with you were me. You actually contacted me. The conversations were helpful and supportive both ways. Everything you have stated on here you have taken little bits of other peoples conversations then stated them as fact. You've judged me, then you have judged me and Mike and been insulting. I haven't responded about anything you have done or said elsewhere. I have offered to speak to you face to face but you have chosen not take that opportunity.
There is no point repeatedly saying that this is Mike, when he is on the m6 motorway on his way to here. If you don't want to speak, that is fine but don't post stuff if you don't know if it's true.
I suggest we drop it now if you don't have any facts. I'm happy if you want to copy and paste our inbox conversation as there is nothing in there on my side I'm worried about anyone reading.
@pieromanic_too (does @ work on here?)
You've summed up better than I can how I've seen the last few years. I actually posted on this thread then deleted, as I didn't want to be part of the discussion / argument, but that change in the last two years has hit me as well in the couple of chats I've had with Jessie.
It's all very sad, she has been a fantastic and much-loved contributor here, but too many things that didn't add up now make more sense. There is no way MM would have acted without absolute confidence in his own judgement, so this is where we are. As said by a lot of others, I hope Jessie is genuinely ok. And yes, her knockers are amazing to behold.
You've summed up better than I can how I've seen the last few years. I actually posted on this thread then deleted, as I didn't want to be part of the discussion / argument, but that change in the last two years has hit me as well in the couple of chats I've had with Jessie.
It's all very sad, she has been a fantastic and much-loved contributor here, but too many things that didn't add up now make more sense. There is no way MM would have acted without absolute confidence in his own judgement, so this is where we are. As said by a lot of others, I hope Jessie is genuinely ok. And yes, her knockers are amazing to behold.
For the record a similar post was made in the store owners forum last week and there was a hysterical reaction on there led by the 3 or 4 parties Mike had disagreements with, including accusations that he was a pimp and I am a prostitute. They also said that I was in danger and that Mike was abusive both physically and mentally. All of this is untrue. The relentless bullying from members of UMD has been awful. I haven't felt bullying like this for 2 years. My personal life is just that, personal. I know some you personally and those people know how happy me and Mike are.
Jessie, much of this situation has come from a place of concern for your wellbeing, which is why questions have been raised over your relationship (even though nearly all of the posts in the Store Owners Forum thread were about your account, not yourself personally). Your accusation of the 'pimp and prostitute' quote, as explained above by Maria, is nonsense. People have been, for many months now, concerned for your mental wellbeing but NOBODY has suggested Mike has been physically abusive to you. This was clarified in the Store Owners post, so to flag that up here can only be to give substance your theory that you are being bullied. You are not being bullied. People expressed concern for you, as Mike has been your voice for such a long time and nobody can now believe that they've actually spoken to you any time in the past two years. If you can't understand where people are coming from with this you need to take a big step back and consider how it looks to EVERYONE ELSE! You are the only one here who doesn't seem to see how manipulated you look.
I said this in the other post and I'll say it here too.. I was with Maria last summer when she was EXTREMELY concerned for you and worried that Mike was not acting in your best interests. You were in a very vulnerable position and Mike apparently has a history of preying on vulnerable women (at least one woman from the scene, that we know of) and manipulating them. Maria did what she felt was right at the time - she reached out. What she received in return was massive, horrific verbal abuse from Mike. I was there, I read the messages. The response she received was entirely unjustified and upset her deeply. Your attack on Maria in this thread is completely unwarranted. All she ever did was express concern for you and if that was taken the wrong way then you need to accept some responsibility for that. All you have done since this business came to light is defend Mike, defend your position due to your circumstances and offer some very insincere apologies.
I never saw a lot of the dark things that "she" said about producers hinted at above, but from my lowly view as a non-producer, the public low point was close to a year ago when "she" totally laid into the good Reverend Slymsford -- who always seems as sweet and agreeable a person as a WAM producer could be -- over being unreasonable and dishonest and triggering breakdowns related to her illness on three separate occasions. (This happened in one of those heated threads that quickly had all traces of the argument quickly deleted, but I saw them before the cleansing and found the whole thing deeply disturbing.)
There has, even very recently, been some horrible shit-throwing aimed at Rev from the Jessie/Mike account and I want to also say that Rev is one of the sweetest, kindest people I have ever met. He has been caught in the cross-fire of this whole mess and ended up a target, when he really hasn't deserved it. When Maria was with me last summer she and I were sat in the garden while she was receiving messages from Mike, completely unwarrantedly (is that a word??) slagging off Rev. She was also messaging Rev, who was, at the same time, receiving messages from Mike slagging off Maria! You couldn't have made it up, he was literally trying to pit people against each other. In the end all he has achieved is the destruction of the reputation of one of the most loved splosh producers in this community :/
I have just ended posting in response to a load of shit in the store owners forum and I have already wasted a couple of hours answerng, correcting certain posts. I am not going to do the same here now. I told my children I would be done by 8pm and it's now 8:15pm.
This is going to go on and on and on but it's going to go on without me.
For those who are more bothered about talking about my 'knockers', then you've only got until the 28th February to buy the films that feature in them because then I'm gone.
There is so much more to this situation than any of you currently know and I think it's clear that me arguing about it now instead of putting my family first isn't going to achieve anything. If anyone wants to remain in touch or be a customer after the 28th February, my email is info@messy-jessie.co.uk
Thanks to those people who have bought my products via the UMD store.
Just get in touch if there is anything you still wanted after the 28th February.
Jessie (I'm sure MM can confirm that this is me posting)
This is going to go on and on and on but it's going to go on without me.
For those who are more bothered about talking about my 'knockers', then you've only got until the 28th February to buy the films that feature in them because then I'm gone.
There is so much more to this situation than any of you currently know and I think it's clear that me arguing about it now instead of putting my family first isn't going to achieve anything. If anyone wants to remain in touch or be a customer after the 28th February, my email is info@messy-jessie.co.uk
Thanks to those people who have bought my products via the UMD store.
Just get in touch if there is anything you still wanted after the 28th February.
Jessie (I'm sure MM can confirm that this is me posting)
The word "knockers" sounds way better in a british accent.
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
So does this mean Jessie and Mike aren't coming to the UMD get together in Vegas?
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HappyCamper said: The word "knockers" sounds way better in a british accent.
To be fair, for the proper effect you have to put the word capital...in front of it.
jackspratt73 said:
To be fair, for the proper effect you have to put the word capital...in front of it.
HappyCamper said: The word "knockers" sounds way better in a british accent.
To be fair, for the proper effect you have to put the word capital...in front of it.
I'd like to request Jessie post a video of her putting this into a sentence
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
So who was Jezzapeepshow then?
Dear Jessie, not Mike;
I sincerely hope and pray for you and your children that you're alright. I'm not a producer, I don't know you personally nor have met you. In the few messages "we" have shared you talked a bit about what you went though. I remember earlier you talking about how supportive Mike has been and that he would help you find your way and support you in any career you may want to take if you wanted to get out of WAM. This is your opportunity. You've said before that you wanted out of this business, so go, make a break, be free. Regain your privacy, devote that extra time to your children. Grow as a person, find yourself, gain confidence.
You may feel overwhelmed and that everyone is against "you" and that you are being bullied. I want you to know that that doesn't seem to be the case here in what I'm reading.
There are two separate issues here
1. What is going on with your accounts/store/IP
2. What is going on with you.
As far as the "UMD" is concerned as a business #1 has already been settled and your account has been asked to leave.
As for #2 a vast number of people have concern for you personally since we've seen this outright manipulation of your public and private persona.
If you really are broadsided by this and want to address the public then I think the best way to do that is with a posted video here. Use your phone, show that you're by yourself, unharmed, and speak your mind unscripted.
Again, I'm an outsider here, not a producer, I just try and play Dr. Phil a lot here.
Peace and love to you all,
Jason
I sincerely hope and pray for you and your children that you're alright. I'm not a producer, I don't know you personally nor have met you. In the few messages "we" have shared you talked a bit about what you went though. I remember earlier you talking about how supportive Mike has been and that he would help you find your way and support you in any career you may want to take if you wanted to get out of WAM. This is your opportunity. You've said before that you wanted out of this business, so go, make a break, be free. Regain your privacy, devote that extra time to your children. Grow as a person, find yourself, gain confidence.
You may feel overwhelmed and that everyone is against "you" and that you are being bullied. I want you to know that that doesn't seem to be the case here in what I'm reading.
There are two separate issues here
1. What is going on with your accounts/store/IP
2. What is going on with you.
As far as the "UMD" is concerned as a business #1 has already been settled and your account has been asked to leave.
As for #2 a vast number of people have concern for you personally since we've seen this outright manipulation of your public and private persona.
If you really are broadsided by this and want to address the public then I think the best way to do that is with a posted video here. Use your phone, show that you're by yourself, unharmed, and speak your mind unscripted.
Again, I'm an outsider here, not a producer, I just try and play Dr. Phil a lot here.
Peace and love to you all,
Jason
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
