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"How to Order a Custom Video"
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...and be happy. My background? I've been ordering custom videos since 1999 and have been a producer since 2004. Since I'm on both sides of this and read/produce custom requests daily, I have I can offer some good insight.
1) Come up with your budget. This should be done before you reach out to any model/producer. How much are you willing to spend? $150? $800? Industry standard fetish model rates are $10 per minute. That's vanilla no-nude non-messy. It goes up from there. You'll also be expected to pay for ingredients.
2) Once you've come up with a budget, research and choose a model/producer and give them key details about what you're looking for so they can give you an accurate quote.
A) Length of the video
B) Number of models
C) Any nudity
D) Any sex acts
E) WAM specifics (number of pies, if the pies need to be real or shaving cream, paper plates or pie tins with graham cracker crust. If it's gunge, what the gunge needs to consist of.
F) Location (indoor, outdoor, kitchen, etc...)
3) Details matter. Make sure you include them. If it's a pie video, does the model's reaction matter? Example: After the model is pied, do they need to act embarrassed and stand frozen for a few seconds. Then they need to wipe the pie away from their eyes first, then the rest of their face. Do you want the pies thrown or smashed in their face?
4) Attire. I can't tell you how many custom scripts I've produced and after I deliver it I'll get "wow, I can't believe I forgot to tell you to have the girls in short skirts." If short skirts matter, it needs to be in the script. If you're extremely specific on the attire, I highly recommend that you buy it.
5) Agree on a delivery date. Don't leave that part open-ended. You may assume once you pay it'll be filmed quickly but the producer/model may not be able to film it for three weeks. That's fine but know that upfront.
6) Specific lines for the models. This needs to be addressed since I get scripts that read like movie scenes. The models cannot memorize 30 minutes of dialogue. What you can do is write lines as a guide. Now, if there's specific phrases you want them to see, that's fine. Maybe you want one of the models to say "I dare you to hit me with that pie." That's fine. Just don't write a small novel.
1) Come up with your budget. This should be done before you reach out to any model/producer. How much are you willing to spend? $150? $800? Industry standard fetish model rates are $10 per minute. That's vanilla no-nude non-messy. It goes up from there. You'll also be expected to pay for ingredients.
2) Once you've come up with a budget, research and choose a model/producer and give them key details about what you're looking for so they can give you an accurate quote.
A) Length of the video
B) Number of models
C) Any nudity
D) Any sex acts
E) WAM specifics (number of pies, if the pies need to be real or shaving cream, paper plates or pie tins with graham cracker crust. If it's gunge, what the gunge needs to consist of.
F) Location (indoor, outdoor, kitchen, etc...)
3) Details matter. Make sure you include them. If it's a pie video, does the model's reaction matter? Example: After the model is pied, do they need to act embarrassed and stand frozen for a few seconds. Then they need to wipe the pie away from their eyes first, then the rest of their face. Do you want the pies thrown or smashed in their face?
4) Attire. I can't tell you how many custom scripts I've produced and after I deliver it I'll get "wow, I can't believe I forgot to tell you to have the girls in short skirts." If short skirts matter, it needs to be in the script. If you're extremely specific on the attire, I highly recommend that you buy it.
5) Agree on a delivery date. Don't leave that part open-ended. You may assume once you pay it'll be filmed quickly but the producer/model may not be able to film it for three weeks. That's fine but know that upfront.
6) Specific lines for the models. This needs to be addressed since I get scripts that read like movie scenes. The models cannot memorize 30 minutes of dialogue. What you can do is write lines as a guide. Now, if there's specific phrases you want them to see, that's fine. Maybe you want one of the models to say "I dare you to hit me with that pie." That's fine. Just don't write a small novel.
johnnypie said: My background? I've been ordering custom videos since 1999 and have been a producer since 2004. Since I'm on both sides of this and read/produce custom requests daily, I have I can offer some good insight.
This might be a silly question, but do you have a UMD store? I'm not sure whether you're deliberately keeping your personal profile separate from your business (which is fine) or whether this is just something that everyone else already knows (similar to the Moomins running MostWAM).
Specific lines for the models. This needs to be addressed since I get scripts that read like movie scenes. The models cannot memorize 30 minutes of dialogue. What you can do is write lines as a guide. Now, if there's specific phrases you want them to see, that's fine. Maybe you want one of the models to say "I dare you to hit me with that pie." That's fine. Just don't write a small novel.
I think there are ways around this. E.g. SlapstickStuff do scripted scenes (although they're not customs), and I assume Rich does that by prompting the models before each line and then editing his voice out. The downside is that you'll lose a bit of momentum, and the scene will take twice as long to film (with every line said twice), but it can work.
More generally, I was wondering recently about rehearsal/reading time. Obviously the models need to be paid for all the time they're working, but is it any cheaper to do some stuff off camera (i.e. not using studio time)? E.g. could the producer email them a copy of the script in advance to read before they arrive on set, just so that they have a rough overview of what's going on?
As for the script/treatment, it might be worth including phonetic guides for unusual words. E.g. when I lived in London (UK), I sometimes met American tourists who wanted to get to "Lie-sess-ter Square". They meant Leicester Square, but it's actually pronounced "Less-ter". Similarly in Oxford, "Magdalen" (bridge/college) is pronounced "Maudlin".
This is just me, but I no longer accept any custom script with very heavy dialogue. As you pointed out, the models need to be paid for their time. So if I'm quoting $15/min for a 2-model 10 minute scene = $150 per model, they quickly get a bit ticked when they see that the entire scene took a hour to shoot.
It's also my time - pouring over the lines, a ton of edits, then it goes break up the flow of the video. As stated, I don't mind at all if there's certain lines they want the girls to say, but passed that it's a much better end product if they allow the girls to ad-lib.
It's also my time - pouring over the lines, a ton of edits, then it goes break up the flow of the video. As stated, I don't mind at all if there's certain lines they want the girls to say, but passed that it's a much better end product if they allow the girls to ad-lib.
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
johnnypie said: This is just me, but I no longer accept any custom script with very heavy dialogue. As you pointed out, the models need to be paid for their time. So if I'm quoting $15/min for a 2-model 10 minute scene = $150 per model, they quickly get a bit ticked when they see that the entire scene took a hour to shoot.
It's also my time - pouring over the lines, a ton of edits, then it goes break up the flow of the video. As stated, I don't mind at all if there's certain lines they want the girls to say, but passed that it's a much better end product if they allow the girls to ad-lib.
It's also my time - pouring over the lines, a ton of edits, then it goes break up the flow of the video. As stated, I don't mind at all if there's certain lines they want the girls to say, but passed that it's a much better end product if they allow the girls to ad-lib.
Related: I now advise people not to write too elaborate a script, so instead of specifying every single action in precise order they want the girls to do all the way through, rather specifty the particular "must haves" they want to see, and let the girls improvise between those. In the past we did "every movement scripted" customs but that generally involved doing a short set of actions, stop camera, direct next set, film it, stop camera, and so on, and while it does produce an exact replica of the script, the result doesn't always flow that well (pardon the pun). Allowing the girls more lattitude while still specifying the primary money-shots makes for a more natural scene that's more fun to watch for the customer, and more fun to shoot for the models.
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Stormy Starr
johnnypie said: ...and be happy. My background? I've been ordering custom videos since 1999 and have been a producer since 2004. Since I'm on both sides of this and read/produce custom requests daily, I have I can offer some good insight.
1) Come up with your budget. This should be done before you reach out to any model/producer. How much are you willing to spend? $150? $800? Industry standard fetish model rates are $10 per minute. That's vanilla no-nude non-messy. It goes up from there. You'll also be expected to pay for ingredients.
2) Once you've come up with a budget, research and choose a model/producer and give them key details about what you're looking for so they can give you an accurate quote.
A) Length of the video
B) Number of models
C) Any nudity
D) Any sex acts
E) WAM specifics (number of pies, if the pies need to be real or shaving cream, paper plates or pie tins with graham cracker crust. If it's gunge, what the gunge needs to consist of.
F) Location (indoor, outdoor, kitchen, etc...)
3) Details matter. Make sure you include them. If it's a pie video, does the model's reaction matter? Example: After the model is pied, do they need to act embarrassed and stand frozen for a few seconds. Then they need to wipe the pie away from their eyes first, then the rest of their face. Do you want the pies thrown or smashed in their face?
4) Attire. I can't tell you how many custom scripts I've produced and after I deliver it I'll get "wow, I can't believe I forgot to tell you to have the girls in short skirts." If short skirts matter, it needs to be in the script. If you're extremely specific on the attire, I highly recommend that you buy it.
5) Agree on a delivery date. Don't leave that part open-ended. You may assume once you pay it'll be filmed quickly but the producer/model may not be able to film it for three weeks. That's fine but know that upfront.
6) Specific lines for the models. This needs to be addressed since I get scripts that read like movie scenes. The models cannot memorize 30 minutes of dialogue. What you can do is write lines as a guide. Now, if there's specific phrases you want them to see, that's fine. Maybe you want one of the models to say "I dare you to hit me with that pie." That's fine. Just don't write a small novel.
1) Come up with your budget. This should be done before you reach out to any model/producer. How much are you willing to spend? $150? $800? Industry standard fetish model rates are $10 per minute. That's vanilla no-nude non-messy. It goes up from there. You'll also be expected to pay for ingredients.
2) Once you've come up with a budget, research and choose a model/producer and give them key details about what you're looking for so they can give you an accurate quote.
A) Length of the video
B) Number of models
C) Any nudity
D) Any sex acts
E) WAM specifics (number of pies, if the pies need to be real or shaving cream, paper plates or pie tins with graham cracker crust. If it's gunge, what the gunge needs to consist of.
F) Location (indoor, outdoor, kitchen, etc...)
3) Details matter. Make sure you include them. If it's a pie video, does the model's reaction matter? Example: After the model is pied, do they need to act embarrassed and stand frozen for a few seconds. Then they need to wipe the pie away from their eyes first, then the rest of their face. Do you want the pies thrown or smashed in their face?
4) Attire. I can't tell you how many custom scripts I've produced and after I deliver it I'll get "wow, I can't believe I forgot to tell you to have the girls in short skirts." If short skirts matter, it needs to be in the script. If you're extremely specific on the attire, I highly recommend that you buy it.
5) Agree on a delivery date. Don't leave that part open-ended. You may assume once you pay it'll be filmed quickly but the producer/model may not be able to film it for three weeks. That's fine but know that upfront.
6) Specific lines for the models. This needs to be addressed since I get scripts that read like movie scenes. The models cannot memorize 30 minutes of dialogue. What you can do is write lines as a guide. Now, if there's specific phrases you want them to see, that's fine. Maybe you want one of the models to say "I dare you to hit me with that pie." That's fine. Just don't write a small novel.
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DungeonMasterOne said:
Related: I now advise people not to write too elaborate a script, so instead of specifying every single action in precise order they want the girls to do all the way through, rather specifty the particular "must haves" they want to see, and let the girls improvise between those. In the past we did "every movement scripted" customs but that generally involved doing a short set of actions, stop camera, direct next set, film it, stop camera, and so on, and while it does produce an exact replica of the script, the result doesn't always flow that well (pardon the pun). Allowing the girls more lattitude while still specifying the primary money-shots makes for a more natural scene that's more fun to watch for the customer, and more fun to shoot for the models.
johnnypie said: This is just me, but I no longer accept any custom script with very heavy dialogue. As you pointed out, the models need to be paid for their time. So if I'm quoting $15/min for a 2-model 10 minute scene = $150 per model, they quickly get a bit ticked when they see that the entire scene took a hour to shoot.
It's also my time - pouring over the lines, a ton of edits, then it goes break up the flow of the video. As stated, I don't mind at all if there's certain lines they want the girls to say, but passed that it's a much better end product if they allow the girls to ad-lib.
It's also my time - pouring over the lines, a ton of edits, then it goes break up the flow of the video. As stated, I don't mind at all if there's certain lines they want the girls to say, but passed that it's a much better end product if they allow the girls to ad-lib.
Related: I now advise people not to write too elaborate a script, so instead of specifying every single action in precise order they want the girls to do all the way through, rather specifty the particular "must haves" they want to see, and let the girls improvise between those. In the past we did "every movement scripted" customs but that generally involved doing a short set of actions, stop camera, direct next set, film it, stop camera, and so on, and while it does produce an exact replica of the script, the result doesn't always flow that well (pardon the pun). Allowing the girls more lattitude while still specifying the primary money-shots makes for a more natural scene that's more fun to watch for the customer, and more fun to shoot for the models.
i charge more for specific scripts bc we have to stop and start and be fed lines so they seem more natural and i edit and produce all this stuff myself. i have to edit all of that together. i have to make sure everyone is on board.
i always tell people, like you said, "give me the MUST HAVES and let me and my girls go with your script....if a little ad lib comes will you be okay with it?" every time. the more natural response? they have liked much better than what they wrote. I think sometimes people write things but dont think about how its gonna actually SOUND or GO. with tones of voices. pies thrown,, etc.
i agree with you More BTS, clips, messes, wetlook+fetish on my OF!
Actually followed the similar format to posted with a recent custom order I made with Messygirl. Bullet points for the key parts to include, and delivery dates etc. Order paid for in full in December, and before payment was sent was advised would be on the January shooting schedule. Happy to say, from a buyers point of view, it works as a guideline, although I would usually have done similar myself in any case.
Unfortunately, and I don't know if this was just bad luck, when I checked in at the end of Jan to see how things were progressing, I was told it hadn't been filmed and was delayed until Feb 10th. The first I heard of this delay was when I contacted, so there was no prior engagement from MG on this. Nonetheless, accepted that it'd be done with the delay.
Got to the 14th Feb, no contact so dropped a message to see how things were, and again the shoot hadn't happened, and was then told it'd be done in March.
Wasn't happy about that, and the lack of communication, so at that point asked for a refund. Things got very evasive, including being advised I would not be able to get refunded until 4 weeks later. Put my foot down a bit over this, as the excuse was it'd breach a payment processor limit, so I proposed alternative methods through which I could accept payment. Eventually with this assertive stance, and possibly some assistance in the backgorund from MM, I got my refund.
I think, given this experience, perhaps a refund section/non-performance should be included in the template?
Unfortunately, and I don't know if this was just bad luck, when I checked in at the end of Jan to see how things were progressing, I was told it hadn't been filmed and was delayed until Feb 10th. The first I heard of this delay was when I contacted, so there was no prior engagement from MG on this. Nonetheless, accepted that it'd be done with the delay.
Got to the 14th Feb, no contact so dropped a message to see how things were, and again the shoot hadn't happened, and was then told it'd be done in March.
Wasn't happy about that, and the lack of communication, so at that point asked for a refund. Things got very evasive, including being advised I would not be able to get refunded until 4 weeks later. Put my foot down a bit over this, as the excuse was it'd breach a payment processor limit, so I proposed alternative methods through which I could accept payment. Eventually with this assertive stance, and possibly some assistance in the backgorund from MM, I got my refund.
I think, given this experience, perhaps a refund section/non-performance should be included in the template?
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