Hi just asking here so if any moderators or other users know you can answer this.

When going to the top banner there is a menu item "Forums" that has a list of stuff. Menu items are "Groups, Wetlook, Messy... etc". It would make a ton of sense to just put "AI Wam" in there as a menu item. Instead it involves a lot of exploring around in the groups.

Anyway thanks for your attention to this matter lol.

I just click on Groups in the Forums dropdown list. AI WAM is always the first in the list for me on the Groups page, so it's easy to find. It's an extra step, but I'm not sure if the AI WAM group is popular enough among UMD users as a whole to make it worth adding to the main dropdown list.

I agree it is not too hard to find if you already know where to look. I'm petitioning it to go on the main forum menu. It is probably not very popular cos it is something new.

It's not very popular because 95% of AI looks terrible. read the room, there have been numerous posts in the main forums recently.
I'm a big supporter of the technology but even I'm not naive to think it's at all good enough.

I totally agree with this. I just don't understand the point of posting AI images to the main forum. They look terrible and they tend to be specifically tailored to the preferences of the creator. To top it off, those posts get virtually no engagement. So why bother?

From the 100 posts on the front page of this group..

37 have 0 replies
13 have 1 reply
13 have 2 replies
9 have 3 replies
5 have 4 replies
3 have 5 replies

This isn't counting people replying to themselves and no other interaction.

Personally, I don't even think this group works for the content. People create a post with 3 pictures, get no replies and then create a new post with another 3 pictures to bump to the top.

As one who spams this group from time to time, I also agree about the quality of a lot of AI, even a lot of my own. Compared to real-life WAM, most of the stuff shared here looks ridiculously fake, with painfully obvious giveaways.

But to your point about the images being specifically tailored to the creator's preference... isn't that the point? This isn't a commercial group. While I don't know the actual sales numbers of the few who do sell their AI stuff, I can't imagine many people actually buy it. We all just make what we like to see.

My personal preferences are immediately recognizable in my stuff, and in all reality, are not what the majority of the people here actually want to see. Very few of my images have ever gotten more than five likes. I imagine that even if I posted photos of myself in real-life wearing the outfits I use in my AI stuff and doing the "artsy" WAM I do rather than the full-coverage everyone wants to see, I'd get about the same engagement. My interests just aren't popular here, as can be seen with a quick search of the real WAM forums and shops. Virtually no real content creator caters to the things I like.

I share my AI stuff because there are a few people who really do like it, and some of them even encourage me to share more. That small handful of people make it worthwhile for me to keep sharing.

Side note: If by "main forum," you weren't referring to the AI WAM group, but the forums as a whole, I totally agree. AI stuff should be kept separate from actual content creators trying to sell their videos and photo sets. It really bugs me when people don't label their AI as such, and when people who actively post in this group go into the other forums and post their AI stuff there also, hoping for better engagement.

Sharing AI should be limited to just this group and our personal profile albums. We've been given this little corner of the forums specifically because most UMD users don't want to see AI in general and especially not when they're... well... "typing with one hand."

Yeah, I meant the main forums. I think the AI group is great for those of us who want to watch the various competing technologies continue to evolve. It's really only a handful of people that continue to post really lame AI pics to the messy forum and then act like they've made some amazing breakthrough.

I typed out the whole first half of my response and was about to hit Post, then realized I might have completely misinterpreted the intent of your previous comment.

To be honest, I'm a little surprised the moderators haven't tried to keep AI out of the main forums like so many other sites do. I'd been under the impression that this group and our profiles were the only places AI was allowed on UMD.

There is such hatred and nastiness to almost anything AI n the Messy forum, particularly from that jerk BizOpp713 or whatever. I'm glad we're out of the way here and mostly ignored.

If you've seen the work I've done on training image models, you'll see I'm a big supporter of the technology as a whole and enjoying learning but it's driven by the technology aspect. Once I feel my model has gone as far as it could, I regroup and see how to improve things and retrain again. The learning is more important than the output
This space is moving so fast and new people are discovering the tools. It's inevitable that someone will see it, try it and miss-post into the wrong forum.

Within the next few weeks, we'll see a new version of Nanobanana, most likely a new version of qwen edit and I'd be suprised if we don't see a new imagen by the the end of the year. This just makes the technology more accessible.
I supect the guardrails on commercials models will continue to be restrictive and quite rightly so. When you can upload a picture as starting point of anyone where do we draw the line?

They're going to struggle with this for nano banana, given its selling point being the image editing capabilities.

Agreed, and this is where you will see different companies apply different rules depending on their ethical stance. OpenAI is tightly restricted both around using real pictures as starting frame, cameos and the like. They also heavily restrict any content that may be interpreted as fetish material. It's not a perfect implementation and can be worked around with creative prompting to an extent but if you ask GPT to create a sora2 prompt it will flag anything wet and messy related that is fetish orientated whilst allowing more general gameshow themes. Sora uses the same filtering pre-generation.
Google... they have a similar but looser definition around their guardrails whilst Grok given Elon's stance don't give a crap but does that mean we shouldn't?

Absolutely. Just because Grok allows it it doesn't mean we should.

I think we are in total agreement here but let's be honest like at least 80% of the actual real life WAM is terrible as well. I think it is all very subjective as to what people will like and to just object because it's not 'your thing' is a problem to me. For instance I dislike all the male WAM on the site and if i were up to me I'd delete it. Also 'popular' are people who constantly want to see nothing but feet or larger women.. again not my thing! But being a grown adult I am capable of ignoring it. If everything was made for just one person it would be a much smaller community.

What I like about this corner of the forum is to see what is possible and learn about the new technology.

It's for the same reason we don't have a stockings forum: It's too specific. The main forums are for general interests while the groups, run by UMD members, cater to specific wam interests. The rules are more open there on the groups, too.

If you use the hamburger menu, every individual group is right there, so you can get to any group directly from any other page of UMD.


I think the clear answer is that people enjoy the creative outlet that AI allows, people enjoy seeing it, and it's on-topic. So why cut them off from it when you could just use your filter and everybody's happy? If you're always comparing its quality to real photos, or if you think it's a threat to real "natural" content, then you probably won't understand how anyone else can enjoy it. But it's not going away, so all we can do is try to be consistent tagging it so you can filter it out using your filters.


Other sites usually just ban stuff rather than trying to provide filters and controls. Getting filters to work is monumental, and getting people to use them consistently sometimes seems nearly impossible, so I can understand why. But when it all comes together, it's like the whole site can adapt to how you want it to be, which results in a more open experience.


Their real beef has been with another member of this site, and their sudden vitriol is an attempt at leveraging UMD to target that other person. This happens occasionally in the background as I mediate different issues between people, but sometimes if the user doesn't get traction or emotions run high, they'll try to make a public case with it to force a win against that user. That doesn't mean the issue isn't worthy of discussion (it usually is), or that the user is wrong on principle, but when you see someone suddenly get triggered about something they've never spoken about before, that's likely why.

Anyway I hope this helps clarify that we think of synthetic as a label to be applied to any media, just like gender and parental rating. Isolating it in the forums and groups doesn't make a lot of sense when the whole site really is a forum. Properly labeling content, and then letting you filter out what you don't want, is how we usually try to do things.