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"Who's your all-time favourite producer?"
Love you, too
I know quantification is vulgar, but my Inner Statistician took over, and I did a tally of all the replies here anyway. It got pretty hairy, because many people voted on more than one producer, so I had to do a lot of fractional vote-counting, since it clearly wouldn't be fair just to give one point per each producer named as a top fave (I skipped anyone who named more than 4 producers as equal favorites for simplicity's sake.)
Here are the top 10 producers -- okay, 11 -- as voted on by UMD members in this thread to date:
1. Messygirl
2. Rich/SlapstickStuff
3. Leonmoomin/Mostwam
4. Messy Jessie
5. Ariel/wambabes
6. Anglefan
7. Bill Shipton/Splosh
8. Rob Blaine/Messy Fun
9 (tie) Lenny Sorge/Kowalski Bros/Noise
Twelve more producers also got lesser numbers of votes for all-time favorites, and probably another ten or twelve were named as near-all-time favorites.
On the other hand, here are some producers I am surprised have not been mentioned at all in this thread so far (the surprise is lesser toward the bottom of the list, not because those are lower-quality producers, just because they weren't around for long and aren't as well known as some of the rest):
Mrs. Bee
PieGirl Kay
Jayce
Jilly
Robby/wammalamma pie videos
DIDVP/Leila Hazlett/Wam Erotica
Fawn/WAMF
Phoebe R.
Blue Leopard
Pie Fun Productions
My list here is very skewed toward producers that did pie videos. Not on purpose, just because those are the only ones my pie-centric brain tends to remember.
But this thread's not dead yet people! Only about fifty people have actually named their all-time favorite producers in this thread so far, which represents a very small fraction of the UMD's total membership. So let's hear more folks chime in on this weighty topic...
Here are the top 10 producers -- okay, 11 -- as voted on by UMD members in this thread to date:
1. Messygirl
2. Rich/SlapstickStuff
3. Leonmoomin/Mostwam
4. Messy Jessie
5. Ariel/wambabes
6. Anglefan
7. Bill Shipton/Splosh
8. Rob Blaine/Messy Fun
9 (tie) Lenny Sorge/Kowalski Bros/Noise
Twelve more producers also got lesser numbers of votes for all-time favorites, and probably another ten or twelve were named as near-all-time favorites.
On the other hand, here are some producers I am surprised have not been mentioned at all in this thread so far (the surprise is lesser toward the bottom of the list, not because those are lower-quality producers, just because they weren't around for long and aren't as well known as some of the rest):
Mrs. Bee
PieGirl Kay
Jayce
Jilly
Robby/wammalamma pie videos
DIDVP/Leila Hazlett/Wam Erotica
Fawn/WAMF
Phoebe R.
Blue Leopard
Pie Fun Productions
My list here is very skewed toward producers that did pie videos. Not on purpose, just because those are the only ones my pie-centric brain tends to remember.
But this thread's not dead yet people! Only about fifty people have actually named their all-time favorite producers in this thread so far, which represents a very small fraction of the UMD's total membership. So let's hear more folks chime in on this weighty topic...
In alphabetical order: -
1. Artscene/Aquantics
2. Bill Shipton
3. Mostwam
4. Rob Blaine
5. Sweetsophie
1. Artscene/Aquantics
2. Bill Shipton
3. Mostwam
4. Rob Blaine
5. Sweetsophie
Normality is subjective.
I find it really interesting that the #2 and #3 all-time favorite WAM producers only do clothed WAM. This suggests that, even though the large majority of WAMmers supposedly only want nude WAM (#2 producer Rich recently estimated in a forum thread that only 20% of WAMmers would consider buying non-nude WAM), a lot of us actually enjoy and buy a MIX of clothed and nude WAM.
Food for thought...
Food for thought...
The interesting thing I find as a producer, pieromaniac, is that almost NONE of my sales come from anyone who has ever posted on UMD
Of my top twenty customers, I think only 3 (it may be 4) has posted more than 5 times on the forums
There are huge huge numbers of UMDers who never ever post on the forums and also a good number of loyal, engaging, interesting forumites who aren't in a position to buy many/any clips.
That was among my biggest shocks as a producer, even tho other producers had told me this was the case.
I think it s therefore the case that perhaps those who post are more likely to be enthusiasts/traditionalists which may explain why the more 'pureist' side of wam, the fully clothed wam, is rated so highly on this thread .
We are perhaps seeing the votes from the 'party activists' rather than the 'electorate as a whole', to use an analogy
Clearly of course there is a market for really well done fully clothed WAM, as these producers have had great success, & I hugely admire them.
However speaking as someone who likes fully clothed wam as much as naked WAM, I find my naked wam scenes outsell my fully clothed scenes by more than 2 to 1.
Of course this could be because I am somehow doing naked wam better than I do fully clothed..obut I think it is more likely to be because the general consumers like the more sexual side of wam.
So, while this survey is very interesting, I doesn't reflect seem to reflect the commercial reality of the whole marketplace, certainly as I have experienced it as a producer.
Which is also a very long way of also saying, if only Myds was consistently buying and loving my stuff, I'd have had to throw in the towel a long while back
Of my top twenty customers, I think only 3 (it may be 4) has posted more than 5 times on the forums
There are huge huge numbers of UMDers who never ever post on the forums and also a good number of loyal, engaging, interesting forumites who aren't in a position to buy many/any clips.
That was among my biggest shocks as a producer, even tho other producers had told me this was the case.
I think it s therefore the case that perhaps those who post are more likely to be enthusiasts/traditionalists which may explain why the more 'pureist' side of wam, the fully clothed wam, is rated so highly on this thread .
We are perhaps seeing the votes from the 'party activists' rather than the 'electorate as a whole', to use an analogy
Clearly of course there is a market for really well done fully clothed WAM, as these producers have had great success, & I hugely admire them.
However speaking as someone who likes fully clothed wam as much as naked WAM, I find my naked wam scenes outsell my fully clothed scenes by more than 2 to 1.
Of course this could be because I am somehow doing naked wam better than I do fully clothed..obut I think it is more likely to be because the general consumers like the more sexual side of wam.
So, while this survey is very interesting, I doesn't reflect seem to reflect the commercial reality of the whole marketplace, certainly as I have experienced it as a producer.
Which is also a very long way of also saying, if only Myds was consistently buying and loving my stuff, I'd have had to throw in the towel a long while back
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reverendsl said: The interesting thing I find as a producer, pieromaniac, is that almost NONE of my sales come from anyone who has ever posted on UMD
THIS!!! When we were actively producing material, I would estimate that 96% of my sales were to fellas who had NEVER once posted in the forums or even commented on a photo. I always found that interesting!
Mrs. Bee
I don't always associate a customer's real name with their "UMD name" (which is for the best), so I tend to forget who actually buys what. That said, the bulk of my sales come from people who don't post here regularly or at all.
Sometimes I get a good "silent majority" post... AKA one with very few comments, but a lot of sales. Those are good! Occasionally I get one where the amount of comments exceeds the amount of sales. Those are bad.
I don't think anyone mentioned Robby/WLP because it's been close to 15 years since his last release. (By that measure, I really love Paul's House Of Pies for their short-but-glorious run in the late 90's.)
Blue Leopard was unique but underappreciated even back when he was producing... which, again, was over a decade ago.
Fawn/WAMF and Phoebe are remembered less fondly now that they've burned a lot of bridges within the community.
Very surprised that Kay and Mrs. Bee weren't mentioned... Perhaps people consider them "amateur WAMmers" rather than producers? Back in the day there used to be a distinction (producers were the "big" ones, like MessyFun and Splosh)... Now not so much.
Sometimes I get a good "silent majority" post... AKA one with very few comments, but a lot of sales. Those are good! Occasionally I get one where the amount of comments exceeds the amount of sales. Those are bad.
I don't think anyone mentioned Robby/WLP because it's been close to 15 years since his last release. (By that measure, I really love Paul's House Of Pies for their short-but-glorious run in the late 90's.)
Blue Leopard was unique but underappreciated even back when he was producing... which, again, was over a decade ago.
Fawn/WAMF and Phoebe are remembered less fondly now that they've burned a lot of bridges within the community.
Very surprised that Kay and Mrs. Bee weren't mentioned... Perhaps people consider them "amateur WAMmers" rather than producers? Back in the day there used to be a distinction (producers were the "big" ones, like MessyFun and Splosh)... Now not so much.
SStuff said: I don't always associate a customer's real name with their "UMD name" (which is for the best), so I tend to forget who actually buys what. That said, the bulk of my sales come from people who don't post here regularly or at all.
I would think that, unless most of your sales are coming from a UMD store (where you can see customers' screennames, if they've allowed this in their preferences), producers generally wouldn't know how their customers did or didn't match up to UMD screennames, except in the case of a small number of exceptionally loyal customers. But I must be wrong, based on the figures the the good Reverend and Mrs. Bee have cited.
SStuff said: I don't think anyone mentioned Robby/WLP because it's been close to 15 years since his last release. (By that measure, I really love Paul's House Of Pies for their short-but-glorious run in the late 90's.)
Yeah, but it's been even longer since there was a new Messy Fun release, and Mr. Blaine managed to make the top ten anyway.
SStuff said:Blue Leopard was unique but underappreciated even back when he was producing... which, again, was over a decade ago.
It hardly matters in this context, but I thought he was producing in the late aughts. That's when I bought his videos anyway, but maybe I got them well after they came out.
SStuff said:Fawn/WAMF and Phoebe are remembered less fondly now that they've burned a lot of bridges within the community.
It would seem a similar factor has hobbled PieFightGirls' reputation as well. Karma's a bitch.
SStuff said:Very surprised that Kay and Mrs. Bee weren't mentioned... Perhaps people consider them "amateur WAMmers" rather than producers? Back in the day there used to be a distinction (producers were the "big" ones, like MessyFun and Splosh)... Now not so much.
That's an interesting point. Both Kay and, much more so, Mrs. Bee, posted as amateurs on here for a good period of time before they began actually selling their stuff. So maybe they aren't perceived as professional producers so much as exceptionally beloved amateurs. And lest we forget, the word "amateur" comes from the Latin word for love, meaning people who do something for the love of it, rather than for the lure of filthy lucre.
pieromaniac_too said:
I would think that, unless most of your sales are coming from a UMD store (where you can see customers' screennames, if they've allowed this in their preferences), producers generally wouldn't know how their customers did or didn't match up to UMD screennames, except in the case of a small number of exceptionally loyal customers. But I must be wrong, based on the figures the the good Reverend and Mrs. Bee have cited.
That's an interesting point. Both Kay and, much more so, Mrs. Bee, posted as amateurs on here for a good period of time before they began actually selling their stuff. So maybe they aren't perceived as professional producers so much as exceptionally beloved amateurs. And lest we forget, the word "amateur" comes from the Latin word for love, meaning people who do something for the love of it, rather than for the lure of filthy lucre.
SStuff said: I don't always associate a customer's real name with their "UMD name" (which is for the best), so I tend to forget who actually buys what. That said, the bulk of my sales come from people who don't post here regularly or at all.
I would think that, unless most of your sales are coming from a UMD store (where you can see customers' screennames, if they've allowed this in their preferences), producers generally wouldn't know how their customers did or didn't match up to UMD screennames, except in the case of a small number of exceptionally loyal customers. But I must be wrong, based on the figures the the good Reverend and Mrs. Bee have cited.
That's an interesting point. Both Kay and, much more so, Mrs. Bee, posted as amateurs on here for a good period of time before they began actually selling their stuff. So maybe they aren't perceived as professional producers so much as exceptionally beloved amateurs. And lest we forget, the word "amateur" comes from the Latin word for love, meaning people who do something for the love of it, rather than for the lure of filthy lucre.
Piero, I was referring to my sales here on the UMD. Most of my sales were to folks whose screennames were visible to me or to members who may have had their purchasing preferences set to private but still messaged me regarding said purchases, so that is what I'm basing my assumption on. But since I never had more than say 20-25 downloads available for sale, perhaps my sample size is too small for meaningful analysis.
And thank you for the mention, btw.
Mrs. Beereverendsl said: The interesting thing I find as a producer, pieromaniac, is that almost NONE of my sales come from anyone who has ever posted on UMD
Absolutely 100% true. While I certainly do get orders from people who post on the UMD...9 out of 10 are orders are from people who do not. Maybe even a few decimal points higher.
And I will disagree with Rich to my pieing day that a much smaller percentage prefer non nude WAM. I have NO IDEA what the actual number is but after talking about WAM vids for almost 20 years with WAM fans, I find a much higher number prefer clothed to nude. Now, that could just be the random people I'm talking to prefer that and people who I don't talk to prefer nude.
The irony is that when Ivy convinced me to make the first video I didn't think it would sell because it wasn't a "nudey." But at that point I didn't understand the psychological aspects of WAM fans. Once I "got" that...it was a no brainer to keep making clothed WAM videos because I knew what it was that appealed to our customers and future customers.
To be fair, a good friend of mine who is a clinical therapist pointed it out to me as well why many prefer non nude WAM.
My faves in no particular order
WAMTEC
Rob Blaine
WAMF
Slapstick Stuff
Blue Leopard
MessyGirl
Phoebe
Neil's stuff
And that WAMma Lamma Pie and ShePiesTheGuy group aren't half bad. Now if they would just make another video or 10.
Robby
WAMma Lamma Pie
www.wammalamapie.com
www.shepiestheguy.com
www.whatawhiner.com
Absolutely 100% true. While I certainly do get orders from people who post on the UMD...9 out of 10 are orders are from people who do not. Maybe even a few decimal points higher.
And I will disagree with Rich to my pieing day that a much smaller percentage prefer non nude WAM. I have NO IDEA what the actual number is but after talking about WAM vids for almost 20 years with WAM fans, I find a much higher number prefer clothed to nude. Now, that could just be the random people I'm talking to prefer that and people who I don't talk to prefer nude.
The irony is that when Ivy convinced me to make the first video I didn't think it would sell because it wasn't a "nudey." But at that point I didn't understand the psychological aspects of WAM fans. Once I "got" that...it was a no brainer to keep making clothed WAM videos because I knew what it was that appealed to our customers and future customers.
To be fair, a good friend of mine who is a clinical therapist pointed it out to me as well why many prefer non nude WAM.
My faves in no particular order
WAMTEC
Rob Blaine
WAMF
Slapstick Stuff
Blue Leopard
MessyGirl
Phoebe
Neil's stuff
And that WAMma Lamma Pie and ShePiesTheGuy group aren't half bad. Now if they would just make another video or 10.
Robby
WAMma Lamma Pie
www.wammalamapie.com
www.shepiestheguy.com
www.whatawhiner.com
SStuff said:Very surprised that Kay and Mrs. Bee weren't mentioned... Perhaps people consider them "amateur WAMmers" rather than producers? Back in the day there used to be a distinction (producers were the "big" ones, like MessyFun and Splosh)... Now not so much.
That's an interesting point. Both Kay and, much more so, Mrs. Bee, posted as amateurs on here for a good period of time before they began actually selling their stuff. So maybe they aren't perceived as professional producers so much as exceptionally beloved amateurs. And lest we forget, the word "amateur" comes from the Latin word for love, meaning people who do something for the love of it, rather than for the lure of filthy lucre.
Thanks for remembering me!
I never had any intention of becoming a producer; I loved posting because of the comments and the attention I received. Just being honest. I was convinced to start selling films after I did the Pie For Every Reply gig and I received so many messages asking for the films and not just the pictures of the pie mess.
Like Mrs. Bee, I had a relatively small store; only 25 films on the Mothership and 4 or 5 on the UMD. I have to say, my films sold great and we made more money than I ever expected. And I'll also echo what others have said, a large majority of sales at both sites were the silent majority; people who hardly ever post here. I could never figure that one out.
And while we're on the subject, I loved so many sites here and it's tough to state who was my favorite producer, but my top 5, in no particular order are;
Slapstick Stuff
MessyGirl
WAMFan
Ariel
Lenny
PGKay
PGK
Thanks for kind words.
I always wanted to get you, Mrs. Bee, Melissa and Leah in one shoot
Offer is still open to you all!!
I hope hubby is doing well. I know he is going througha tough time like myself.
Lenny
Thanks for kind words.
I always wanted to get you, Mrs. Bee, Melissa and Leah in one shoot
Offer is still open to you all!!
I hope hubby is doing well. I know he is going througha tough time like myself.
Lenny
Lenny said: PGK
Thanks for kind words.
I always wanted to get you, Mrs. Bee, Melissa and Leah in one shoot
Offer is still open to you all!!
I hope hubby is doing well. I know he is going througha tough time like myself.
Lenny
Thanks for kind words.
I always wanted to get you, Mrs. Bee, Melissa and Leah in one shoot
Offer is still open to you all!!
I hope hubby is doing well. I know he is going througha tough time like myself.
Lenny
Thanks Lenny
I wish I had taken you up on your offer a few years ago when I was really into this whole messy scene
And Jhub is doing great. He's defying the odds on a truly horrible form of cancer.
PGKay
Gosh....not sure it's even fair to everyone who works hard at this to pick one producer.
Messy Jessie of course from a personal point of view but at the moment I'm biased!
Messy Jessie of course from a personal point of view but at the moment I'm biased!
I'd echo what others have said, for my UMD download stores, of those who reveal their usernames (you can turn that off per-download as well as in the preferences), somewhere north of 90% are not regular forum posters. But then the UMD has tens of thousands of signed up accounts but only a few hundred regular posters. Back in the days of Usenet it used to be said there were 97 lurkers for every 3 posters, and that ratio has probably grown even larger since, especially in places like fetish forums.
Way back in the 90s Rob Blaine once told me that he saw his market breakdown as being that 60% wanted only fully clothed, 10% wanted to see messy stripping, and 30% wanted only full nude. There's certainly more nudity in WAM now than there was 20 years ago, but there's clearly also a not insignificant market for fully clothed scenes. Though another factor to consider is that a large part of the WAM market appears to be only interested in pie-in-the-face, where what the model is wearing (or not) is more or less irrelevant as long as the pie hits are good. Though also consider that all wetlook is fully clothed WAM - the generally accepted definition of wetlook is "getting wet in clothes not intended for getting wet in" - so if the model is nude, in a bikini, or a swimsuit, it's not wetlook, though it can be messy WAM.
Something I've noticed in a few threads where the clothed/unclothed issue is mentioned is people referring to nude as "sexual". As a fetish, all wam is sexual - to a fully clothed fan, a girl having her clothes drenched in goo is every bit as sexual as a hardcore porn scene is to a porn fan.
My choices:
There's also some site who's name I can't remember, does work with girls in boilersuits, pvc, uniforms, something about a stately home?
Way back in the 90s Rob Blaine once told me that he saw his market breakdown as being that 60% wanted only fully clothed, 10% wanted to see messy stripping, and 30% wanted only full nude. There's certainly more nudity in WAM now than there was 20 years ago, but there's clearly also a not insignificant market for fully clothed scenes. Though another factor to consider is that a large part of the WAM market appears to be only interested in pie-in-the-face, where what the model is wearing (or not) is more or less irrelevant as long as the pie hits are good. Though also consider that all wetlook is fully clothed WAM - the generally accepted definition of wetlook is "getting wet in clothes not intended for getting wet in" - so if the model is nude, in a bikini, or a swimsuit, it's not wetlook, though it can be messy WAM.
Something I've noticed in a few threads where the clothed/unclothed issue is mentioned is people referring to nude as "sexual". As a fetish, all wam is sexual - to a fully clothed fan, a girl having her clothes drenched in goo is every bit as sexual as a hardcore porn scene is to a porn fan.
My choices:
- Leila Hazlett / DDVIP - for some utterly awesome fully clothed mud scenes.
- Allwam - amazing fully clothed scenes with fantastic outfits.
- Spandexgunge and Kitty - Mmmm, wet and messy spandex!
- Messy Jessie - the original queen of swimsuit filling.
- Chantelle - did some really nice fully clothed work in mud and mess.
- Messy Fun - the original grand master, still unsurpassed.
- Wet Kahuna - Lovely girls in high waist jeans soaking wet, beautifully filmed.
- Erik Elsas - The god of casual wetlook, and some incredible messy and muddy girls (in high waist jeans - spot the pattern here
) back in the day.
- Splosh - makes my list in spite of the nudity because they also produced some great fully clothed scenes too.
There's also some site who's name I can't remember, does work with girls in boilersuits, pvc, uniforms, something about a stately home?
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
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Electro
Thanks! Always wanted to use McCain pies years ago but they were only sold in Canada. Mostly the pies I used were baked by Publix in Florida where I usually shoot.
The penthouse pet pies were done by Vons in CA
I appreciate the compliments. I Always try to give the best but like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant I think my day of retirement is nearing.
Father time and health problems make it impossible to shoot 10 scenes in a day with 1/2 a dozen models abymore
Also economics are not what they used to be with You Tube etc showing stuff for free and the prices of everything in this world
So I will still shoot on a smaller but no where near I used to but I appreciate everyone's business over these past 20 years.
I have tried to be the Mercedes of pie videos for you out there and hope I have succeeded.
Lenny
Thanks! Always wanted to use McCain pies years ago but they were only sold in Canada. Mostly the pies I used were baked by Publix in Florida where I usually shoot.
The penthouse pet pies were done by Vons in CA
I appreciate the compliments. I Always try to give the best but like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant I think my day of retirement is nearing.
Father time and health problems make it impossible to shoot 10 scenes in a day with 1/2 a dozen models abymore
Also economics are not what they used to be with You Tube etc showing stuff for free and the prices of everything in this world
So I will still shoot on a smaller but no where near I used to but I appreciate everyone's business over these past 20 years.
I have tried to be the Mercedes of pie videos for you out there and hope I have succeeded.
Lenny
My favourite producer is me.
Not because I consider myself the best producer, but because I produce the most content that I like. What would be the point of being a producer if that wasn't the case?
There is no way to chart the popularity of producers in this way. The ONLY way would be for us all to state our sales figures, but that would be commercial suicide. So don't expect that any time soon.
The other producers who have regularly produced media I like are:
AllWam
and
Erik Elsas
But that's about my taste, that's it, if it rocks my boat I like it.
So I like to read posts like this and find any compliments flattering (thanks for the mentions), but, I don't take it seriously as any sort of opinion poll.
Still a great post.
Not because I consider myself the best producer, but because I produce the most content that I like. What would be the point of being a producer if that wasn't the case?
There is no way to chart the popularity of producers in this way. The ONLY way would be for us all to state our sales figures, but that would be commercial suicide. So don't expect that any time soon.
The other producers who have regularly produced media I like are:
AllWam
and
Erik Elsas
But that's about my taste, that's it, if it rocks my boat I like it.
So I like to read posts like this and find any compliments flattering (thanks for the mentions), but, I don't take it seriously as any sort of opinion poll.
Still a great post.
moreslime said:
Oscillator Slop said
I believe Noise and the Kowalskis were heavily involved with the first iteration of Glamour Gunge.
I believe Noise and the Kowalskis were heavily involved with the first iteration of Glamour Gunge.
That's correct.
Wamfantastic said:
The king is dead.......
The king is dead.......
No he's not. He's merely resting!
gness7 said: I wanna give some credit to Noise. He's for all intents and purposes retired, but before he slowed down he offered the mentorship and insight that inspired me to start Project 20M. And I wouldn't have sought his advice had he not been the model of professionalism and consistency. Excellent technical production, concepts that brought the best out of models and a mission to keep it real on this forum.
It also helps that he's the only British producer I know of who has perfect the pie. Sorry, Brits, but you know how it is.
It also helps that he's the only British producer I know of who has perfect the pie. Sorry, Brits, but you know how it is.
What lovely things to say, thank you.
leonmoomin said: My favourite producer is me.
Not because I consider myself the best producer, but because I produce the most content that I like.
Not because I consider myself the best producer, but because I produce the most content that I like.
That is what makes the best producers as far as I'm concerned. You can't make great stuff unless you fundamentally understand it, and understanding someone else's nuances in tastes without any empathy is impossible. Any time I give advice to a new producer it's basically do what you like, and serve the crap out of the people that like the same thing.
moreslime said:
Oscillator Slop said
I believe Noise and the Kowalskis were heavily involved with the first iteration of Glamour Gunge.
I believe Noise and the Kowalskis were heavily involved with the first iteration of Glamour Gunge.
That's correct.
Wamfantastic said:
The king is dead.......
The king is dead.......
No he's not. He's merely resting!
gness7 said: I wanna give some credit to Noise. He's for all intents and purposes retired, but before he slowed down he offered the mentorship and insight that inspired me to start Project 20M. And I wouldn't have sought his advice had he not been the model of professionalism and consistency. Excellent technical production, concepts that brought the best out of models and a mission to keep it real on this forum.
It also helps that he's the only British producer I know of who has perfect the pie. Sorry, Brits, but you know how it is.
It also helps that he's the only British producer I know of who has perfect the pie. Sorry, Brits, but you know how it is.
What lovely things to say, thank you.
I don't really have a favourite per say because Leon is on the money as usual. I have producers I respect, but only one that I go to every time I see their posts... and one I've forgotten his damn name... the German fella with the awesome stills... and the other is Mr and Mrs bee.
The Moomins are the closest in hitting the right spot consistently otherwise.
Jessie I would put in the same category but for the variation, when she is on the money she is seriously on the money. It's slightly different advice for females that produce their own stuff, and I don't know quite what it is.
As for producers that I just flat out respect even though the material doesn't rock my boat all the time... I doubt I have to list them at this point.
fun409 said: Rob Blaine
I second that!
My introduction to production video WAM over 20 years ago was with Rob. Actually had the pleasure of talking to him a couple of times. Great innovator who saw the market need.
However, currently Lenny Sorge is my guy. Especially love his older stuff with the "more amateur" actresses and actors.
Lenny said: Electro
Thanks! Always wanted to use McCain pies years ago but they were only sold in Canada. Mostly the pies I used were baked by Publix in Florida where I usually shoot.
The penthouse pet pies were done by Vons in CA
I appreciate the compliments. I Always try to give the best but like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant I think my day of retirement is nearing.
Father time and health problems make it impossible to shoot 10 scenes in a day with 1/2 a dozen models abymore
Also economics are not what they used to be with You Tube etc showing stuff for free and the prices of everything in this world
So I will still shoot on a smaller but no where near I used to but I appreciate everyone's business over these past 20 years.
I have tried to be the Mercedes of pie videos for you out there and hope I have succeeded.
Lenny
Thanks! Always wanted to use McCain pies years ago but they were only sold in Canada. Mostly the pies I used were baked by Publix in Florida where I usually shoot.
The penthouse pet pies were done by Vons in CA
I appreciate the compliments. I Always try to give the best but like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant I think my day of retirement is nearing.
Father time and health problems make it impossible to shoot 10 scenes in a day with 1/2 a dozen models abymore
Also economics are not what they used to be with You Tube etc showing stuff for free and the prices of everything in this world
So I will still shoot on a smaller but no where near I used to but I appreciate everyone's business over these past 20 years.
I have tried to be the Mercedes of pie videos for you out there and hope I have succeeded.
Lenny
I think it is more like the Rolls Royce of pies. My activity dates pre UMD into the hopelessly spammed Alt Usenet days. Lenny Rob and Wamtec where about the only safe refuges back then. Lenny stood out because his central focus was pies and not a sideshow to mud or wetlook, I am glad Lenny has continued to contribute and has allowed easy access to his older material. Long live the King!!
Regis said: 24th century: Worf.
Aside: I love how Worf in the mudbath is now the icon image for this thread!
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
astagale said: 
Euh don't forget PIEDPINUPS!! 
Euh don't forget PIEDPINUPS!! I have to say, while I love the work of many producers, Piedpinups does have a special place in my heart. I believe their slogan was (is?) "Silly. Sexy", which for me sums up the essence of what I love about WAM. I think I'm right in saying that some of their previous material remains unreleased due to video format conversion issues or similar - here's hoping it sees the light of day eventually.
I'm delighted to see they still seem to be releasing new material though.
Noise said: "I don't really have a favourite per say because Leon is on the money as usual. I have producers I respect, but only one that I go to every time I see their posts... and one I've forgotten his damn name... the German fella with the awesome stills... and the other is Mr and Mrs bee."
Thanks, Noise and Rich, for mentioning. I do think Mrs Bee and me fall more into the amateur realm who've dabbled in producing. (And if I ever do get a full-blown production company, I'll definitely be calling it "Filthy Lucre Productions".
For me, I haven't responded to many new producers, so Messyfun; Piefight Girls (I never had any issues with Neil but sad his legacy besmirched); Rich and Anglefan and Lenny (all of whom are still strong, but more like a great restaurant still producing great food but not as thrilling as the new trendy spot). To use the tortoise and hare metaphor, Messygirl, for my bet, gets the award for most innovative. Seems like Leah is always breaking new ground, tries new things, which is pretty awesome after all this time. (Think of how many bands suck after a few years.)
Thanks, Noise and Rich, for mentioning. I do think Mrs Bee and me fall more into the amateur realm who've dabbled in producing. (And if I ever do get a full-blown production company, I'll definitely be calling it "Filthy Lucre Productions".
For me, I haven't responded to many new producers, so Messyfun; Piefight Girls (I never had any issues with Neil but sad his legacy besmirched); Rich and Anglefan and Lenny (all of whom are still strong, but more like a great restaurant still producing great food but not as thrilling as the new trendy spot). To use the tortoise and hare metaphor, Messygirl, for my bet, gets the award for most innovative. Seems like Leah is always breaking new ground, tries new things, which is pretty awesome after all this time. (Think of how many bands suck after a few years.)
Nick said:
I'm probably very naive for asking this, but why would this be commercial suicide?
leonmoomin said: The ONLY way would be for us all to state our sales figures, but that would be commercial suicide.
I'm probably very naive for asking this, but why would this be commercial suicide?
If it's a good amount, you would encourage copycats, trust me, I've shared my figures on one of my sites in the past with someone, only for them to produce a copycat version. Now imitation is the best form of flattery, but a real pain in such a small market.
Not only that, but also, it is not really anyone's business but mine.
Mainly wrote that so no one would think it was a challenge.
It certainly would be the only way to tell the true popularity of a producer, but I didn't wish to throw down the gauntlet.
