Hey guys, was just wondering what people's preferences are regarding plus-sized models in messy scenes. I know that label can mean a wide range of body types, but just interested in hearing some takes on the topic as it pertains to some upcoming shoots, thanks!

love handles: absolutely. obese: no

Depends on your definition of plus size. Skinny, anorexic looking catwalk models do nothing for me at all, on the other hand anyone overweight doesn't either. My size range is uk size 8 to 12, I like curvy, busty girls too.

I prefer the pies on the outside.

Depends what you mean. Curvy, big boobed girls like London Andrews- yes. Girls who are just obese- no.

Enthusiasm for getting messy is the most important thing. I'd far rather watch a larger person who is clearly enjoying what they are doing than a skinny one who's hating it.

Even if larger women are not everyone's thing, there are definitely not enough larger women getting messy around here (well, there may be among general users.. I don't really know for sure.. but there aren't enough among models and such).

I love London Andrews, or Messygirl Raven yes, gorgeous women.

I guess this depends on whether we are using the "Catwalk" definition of "Plus Size" which seems to be anything over a UK size 6... (most normal girls would never achieve this without getting an eating disorder), or whether you mean clinically obese or larger?

I've met and dated some very sexy "girl next door" types, all of whom were UK size 12-14, and were f*cking stunning compared to some of the walking skeletons you see on the catwalk...

So essentially if you mean "normal, healthy attractive models" who are by definition larger than the ridiculous catwalk size, then yes....

IMHO natural curves in all right places is much better than a model who has very little body fat and a six pack. WAM was made for girls with curves.

This is going to sound like a cop out but a lass who is obviously having fun is the most important thing for me. She could be stick thin or a BBW and i could dig it. I'm hesitant to name names but if we take the recently departed from the site Kitten. She was awesome curvy and when she was/is looking fit as a fiddle.

Nah... I'm not a fan,

They can definitely fill out some jeans.

I agree that there are several sexy plus-sized women. I could talk about some of the ones I've seen around the web, but for the sake of brevity, there are the ones I've seen in messy videos.
I think London Andrews - AKA Vicky - may be the most famous. But Messygirl has had a knack for finding some HOT bigger women - Raven and especially Tammy come to mind.

wam is NOT MADE for a certain type of girl.....wam is made for people who LOVE IT.

six pack, no pack, extra skin (im talking about me) lol little belly, lot of belly, whatevs. i will say that i do not PREFER to watch OBESE girls in wamming. there is a difference in unhealthy obesity and girls with curves.

but saying that wam is made for only girls with curves is like saying dicks are only made for girls with red hair. what? wam is for ERRRRYBODY! even if i dont prefer to watch someone morbidly obese wam, someone does! and thats cool by me!!

i also like watching girls who are fit, slim, big boobs, no boobs, big ass, no ass, idgaf. if they are enjoying themselves. but, for the sake of honesty, even if they are having fun i dont enjoy watching morbidly obese and that is coming from me, as a woman....that is not being a dick that is just my preference is all.

IMHO a girl with curves (in all the right places) who is totally covered head to toe just is more appealing visually.

well there ya go! that is your opinion but you cant say wam is MADE for only girls with curves! lol! us skinny girls with no asses and fake tits like it too!! XD and i think the cool thing about wam is it is made for everyone! anyone can do it and everyone should ! weeeeee!!!!

We work with all body types. I think you have a very nice body too and killer blue eyes.

well i appreciate that. we are all our own worst critic! um.....i cant give you any compliments about your body bc i havent seen it i dont think.....lol. but amy is my fave right now!! that girl is not only a hottie with a body, shes got that girl next door thing, and she seems to love it!! i looooooved her "clay modeling" class video. holy shit that was brilliant. if that was a custom, i wanna shake that persons hand!!!

Lol, you will be shaking my hand then, it was my idea. I'll try not to get lost in your baby blues.

^^^ This. All of this. I am routinely referred to as Plus Size and I wear a US Size 8. I'm five foot seven and work out. But you all know I like my bubbly! And I eat food. Like, real, actual food. Back in the day, plus sizing started at a size 14, sometimes even 16. I'm noticing boutiques in the US that now cut off their "regular" sizes at a size 6 or 8, and will snidely refer you to the plus size shop if you ask for a curvy fit. Bitches. That's just bad business, if you ask me - given the fact that the average US woman wears a size 14.

For me as a woman, it's all about health. Does the person look to be a healthy weight? i.e. not too thin and not too big, as in bad for your health, i.e., have shortness of breath climbing the stairs/developing Type 2 diabetes kind of big? Do they seem comfy in their own skin? Happy, healthy people who are comfy in their own skin are the most attractive. It's all about confidence. And if you ain't got it, fake it til you do, honey. That's what I do!

sorry to hijack your thread, PieZone. I voted 'It depends', as per the above. I think most dudes prefer variety, and personality/enthusiasm go a long way, too.

Mrs. Bee

please preach.
its such a fine line, too. size 6 or 8 being plus size?? i think that shit is crazy! but alas, its the world we live in. i go to victorias secret to get comfy pants and i get an xtra small adn they are TOO BIG on me. same with shirts. they call it "vanity sizing" what the fuck? how about "REALITY SIZING" like, what the fuck is my real size, you weirdos!!! its all so nutso. well, either way, i have seen "plus sized models" i would never guess were considered plus size and they rock. and you, miss bee, i would NEVER consider plus sized AT ALL. just fyi. you are very fit and when you told us your age i nearly toppled over! no fucking way!! i hope i look that good one day. with enough botox, i might. lol XD (not saying you get botox, im saying I WILL NEED THE BOTOX TO LOOK THAT GOOD!!, HAHAH)

Jayce's ass is made for WAM, especially pie or cake sitting. Love how your asshole peeks out when you bend over! The perfect pie target! You and Ariel lined up ready for pies, yumm!

Thanks for the love, Jayce!
Ha, don't even get me started on the vanity sizing!!! I KNOW something is wrong when I can fit this booty into a pair of size 4 jeans, lol! It is frustrating to go shopping when there's no size consistency...

Who knows? I may need a little botox in a few years. But a little goes a long way...don't wanna do too much and make my face look weird like I'm on the Real Housewives or something, hehe. That's not a good look.

Bee

The whole appeal of WAM for me is the idea that a woman takes pride in her appearance but isn't above letting someone destroy that appearance. Obvious variations include beautiful women having fun while getting messy and beautiful women acting like they're put out by getting messy. Beautiful is of course in the eye of the beholder, but this beholder has always been attracted to women who generally appear to take care of themselves. It doesn't necessarily equate to the Messygirl Lane (or nearly any Slapstick Stuff model) type of girl with the six pack, though I do fucking love the fitness models who put so much effort into how they look yet are willing to let someone pour a bucket of cake batter over her head on camera. It can also mean the Kimberly Jane type of curvy girl. She's a pretty heavy smoker from what I've seen so she'll never be accused of living a healthy lifestyle, and a fitness model she ain't based on those curves, but she does appear to be 'a woman who generally appears to take pride in her appearance' considering how she's maintained those curves over the years. And then anything in between I generally dig.

What I DON'T dig are women who are overweight in an unhealthy manner, and yes there is such a thing. A few pounds here and there, whatever. We all see-saw a little bit and I do think that some girls don't look as good 'skinny' as they do filled out. Obese is another matter though, and if you give me the impression that you'd crowd me if we were seated next to each other on an airplane then I usually have no interest no matter how beautiful the face or how perfect the pies and slime. A REALLY beautiful face and some other considerations could lead to exceptions but this is generally how I think, no punches pulled.

I think this is the major reason for Mrs. Bee's attractiveness. She's just about the perfect blend of beautiful/healthy/natural/curvy/sexy. After Mrs. Dude of course

You will always be perfection!

Yes, preach Jayce and Mrs. Bee!

We obviously all have our differences in how we look and what gets us going, and if something you see isn't your thing that's fine! For me it's all about seeing someone having fun and enjoying themselves (sometimes in more ways than one!) when wamming and if size mattered to me I'd be missing out on a lot of good stuff people share!

I agree with this 100%. I feel the same way and couldn't have said it better.

A whole heap of tone-deaf body shaming being casually thrown around here, at both ends of the spectrum.
You can express a preference without using it to crassly condemn those who fall outside of that ideal. Just as you can make yourself feel good without making others feel bad, or at least you'd hope.

Anyhow, to answer the actual question, I think we DEFINITELY need to see more 'plus' sized models in WAM; of all shapes, sizes and body types. Not just this "acceptably" plus sized/curves-*strictly*-in-the-right-places/"healthy"-only nonsense.
I'd commend (and very likely support with my $$) PieZone if they hired and made great scenes with more voluptuous models.

As DungeonMasterOne said, a passion and enthusiasm for the experience is the most important element. But seeing the condemnatory language being used here so prevalently, I'm not surprised there are so few. Probably the same reason there are hardly any women (of any size) active on this forum.

Like I always say, I'm no vegetarian; I like meat!

MM