Millions of women in the US will lose the constitutional right to abortion, after the Supreme Court overturned its 50-year-old Roe v Wade decision.
The judgement paves the way for individual states to ban the procedure.
Half are expected to introduce new restrictions or bans. Thirteen have already passed so-called trigger laws to automatically outlaw abortion.
And at least one of the justices wants to also end the rights to contraception and equal marriage, and to bring back anti-sodomy laws.
Justice Clarence Thomas, in his opinion, wrote: "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell" - referencing three landmark decisions of the past on the right to contraception, the repeal of anti-sodomy laws, and the legalisation of same-sex marriage respectively.
What should be done, I asked the machinist? 'Wipe them all out and start from scratch.' ...Finally the older worker, a quiet, almost timid railroad clerk-statistician, concluded with vehemence: 'If I had the power?' Then he quoted Dante, an old Italian poet: 'Se fossi foco brucerei il mondo. Were I a fire I'd burn the world.'"
WildThang said: Ashamed once again to be an american.
Absolutely! We regressed 100 yrs today, this is beyond sickening, just the beginning too, by 2025...who knows...full on witch hunts will be back, slavery might be a thing again...I'm not even being facetious in saying that
I am so goddamn sick of the conservatives and the christians fighting so hard to take rights away from everyone they can. A goddamn firearm has more rights in this country than a woman. Which just goes to show how these morons aren't pro-life. They're pro control. If they were pro-life, they'd do everything they could to fund education, affordable housing, affordable medical care, and limit mass shootings. They won't do that though, that's socialism.
VegasWam said: I am so goddamn sick of the conservatives and the christians fighting so hard to take rights away from everyone they can. A goddamn firearm has more rights in this country than a woman. Which just goes to show how these morons aren't pro-life. They're pro control. If they were pro-life, they'd do everything they could to fund education, affordable housing, affordable medical care, and limit mass shootings. They won't do that though, that's socialism.
pie_or_2 said: Maybe it's time to put our WAM skills to good use and publicly pie people in power as a form of protest.
I wouldn't suggest assault and battery, no matter how cathartic it might be. I would however suggest donating to worthy groups that are fighting to protect our ever dwindling rights, and making sure to check your registration and fucking vote!
Don't waste a goddamn second of your time writing to your representative. Spend your time researching who is fighting for you, donate some cash, and fucking vote like your freedoms depend on it.
I guess that many women seeking choice will travel to the liberal Stares. The number of abortions will not reduce, but many will become unsafe. God Bless America.
WildThang said: Ashamed once again to be an american.
Absolutely! We regressed 100 yrs today, this is beyond sickening, just the beginning too, by 2025...who knows...full on witch hunts will be back, slavery might be a thing again...I'm not even being facetious in saying that
Slavery never went away friend, it was just rebranded and corporatized. It's what we now call the prison system.
There are people serving life sentences for non-violent crimes right now. There are people in prison right now who never went to trial, but they couldn't afford bail. There are people in prison who never had a trial, they were coerced or intimidated into a plea deal. (I am on probation right now because of this last one).
No, slavery is still here, but it's more inclusive now. In fact, so much so that over 1% of the entire population of the United States (land of the free, home of the brave) are incarcerated as I type this.
And they distract us like it's a red vs. blue thing, like coke and pepsi aren't the same god dammed thing. Biden was a champion of this expansion of "slavery" in the 90s. There are no "good guys" in Washington. There is no "lesser evil". There is no "justice".
Take a peek at this from one of our most insightful and wise forefathers.
"The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water (But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right."
This is a disgrace. It'll only be rectified if America suffers financial hurt because of it, and your Elmer Fudd guy gets ostracised at every heads of state gathering.The UK won't protest, because were just America's little lapdog, but I won't buy anything from America or American websites until every woman there has choice.
Pasta said: This is a disgrace. It'll only be rectified if America suffers financial hurt because of it, and your Elmer Fudd guy gets ostracised at every heads of state gathering.The UK won't protest, because were just America's little lapdog, but I won't buy anything from America or American websites until every woman there has choice.
Get comfortable...the way it's looking, that could be a WHILE unfortunately
just so Messmaster and the mods won't think I vent only here, and telling THEM EVERYTHING I have ever said or written.
I've been telling them I am a proud patriotic Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegan (AARV) as are all true patriotic Americans, and that if you are not vegetarian you are not pro-life, and that I strongly support putting anti-abortionists into prison for life if they eat meat or have kids, since they do not care about suffering, like extreme confinement in cages/prison cells.
Yes. You can be an anti-abortionist who also opposes people having kids. Antinatalists oppose random meaningless killings (e.g. school shootings) and countless other acts of injustice that cause unjust suffering. An anti-abortion antinatalist would just roll that opposition to killing back to the fetal stage. However, I do not, nor do most antinatalists. But, an anti-abortion antinatalist would, for example, support mandatory vasectomies to prevent fetus being born. They consider the fetal stage "too late" to kill.
I don't know any anti-abortion antinatalist, but I know of vegetarian anti-abortionists: my second girl friend, and a mathematician I knew at Rutgers. So, I am sure some antiabortion antinatalist exists somewhere.
But, most antinatalists are prochoice on abortion. I am no longer prochoice on abortion. I absolutely support mandatory abortion of conservatives who eat meat and support the meat industry, and who oppose wealth-labor equalization.
If you call yourself a conservative who support empowering workers and forcing and you are vegetarian, then I'll make an exception for you.
We antinatalists are the ones who understand consequences of actions: that there is nothing sacred nothing important about the status quo. That all law/U.S. constitution/legal systems - all that inconsistent worthless garbage that has been used to defend the most horrible evils - and therefore is just a dumb tool that we AARVs can and should use for OUR causes.
And I've been leaving messages with as many congresspeople as possible telling them that we need to arm AARVs. We are the ones who should have all the guns. So I support gun freedom for AARVs.
It is easy enough for anybody to Ecosia any combination of political views on the internet.
Politicians have no business invading women's and their doctor's business and taking away their freedom and then complaining when we demand and try to force politicians/government to pay for the entire life's care of the unaborted born: housing, food, education, healthcare. But, even if government did all that, that STILL would not change the fact that that unaborted person will die: they were already murdered the moment they were conceived. Except now they suffer terror and fear of death, fully sentient, rather than barely sentient as a fetus.
Just remember: PLAY DUMB. ALWAYS act like it is JUST A GIVEN, a self-evident truth, like breathing air, that YOUR political opinion is just the reasonable right one and that the politician agrees with you until EXPLICITLY proven otherwise. Politicians, judges, prosecutors, lawyers are just dumb mindless tools with no feelings and incapable of suffering pain, who are there to SERVE YOU. You were forced into this world without your consent: and politicians, etc did nothing to stop it. So call them up and DEMAND ANYTHING. There is nothing sacred nor important about the laws THEY force on you. Nothing sacred about the DoJ or SCOTUS or even the USA or even ANY nation. We can disband them all if we want.
These people follow nazi ideology and are using nazi propaganda to create an all white, all xtian, all straight, male dominated, nuclear armed ethno state. They work with out enemies abroad (Russia, China, NK and Iran) to flood our media platforms with both. Josef Goebbels, head of nazi propaganda... "repeat a lie until it is a truth", and "constantly accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty."
Their aim, by stripping rights, gerrymandering, stealing elections, marching well armed into state and federal capital buildings, beating and killing innocents in the streets, everybody gets a gun, no separation of church and state, no government agency has power over anything, no law under the Constitution is valid unless backed by white male tradition going back 150 years or even to the middle ages... all designed to create enough chaos and "American carnage" so only one man can fix it. Sound familiar?
This law is based on privacy and it has been stripped, the same laws that gay marriage, sodomy, interracial marriage and a million other well established freedom laws are based on and they will all fall, one by one.
The worst is yet to come. The Supreme Court has made it clear that the Constitution, established law and legal precedent no longer matter, but what does matter is their own definition of "tradition". They will hear a case in the fall which will revert all federal oversight of elections to state boards, making Trump's illegal attempt to overthrow the election standard practice and very legal. That will be the final nail in the coffin of democracy. Votes will not matter.
Fight them or let them win. They are willing to fight and die for their vision, are we?
The worst is yet to come. The Supreme Court has made it clear that the Constitution, established law and legal precedent no longer matter, but what does matter is their own definition of "tradition". They will hear a case in the fall which will revert all federal oversight of elections to state boards, making Trump's illegal attempt to overthrow the election standard practice and very legal. That will be the final nail in the coffin of democracy. Votes will not matter.
Fight them or let them win. They are willing to fight and die for their vision, are we?
Madeline
I was hoping to hear what you had to say on this, MadelineOasis...
So today Mrs. Bee and I just went to get our passports renewed but are planning to visit Toronto later this year to kick the emigration tires, so to speak.
I would gladly take up arms against the internal domestic threat, would gladly enlist and go to civil war to exterminate this alt-right cancer, but not sure where to sign up???
Grass roots political donations, even a national strike, appear quaint, as helpful as a slingshot in a fire fight, and every day brings fresh horrors and now with a radicalized, energized SCOTUS, every right we hold is in question, up in the air.
Best I can do is try to protect myself and, more importantly, my family as this country turns into something far more dangerous and ugly than it already is...
No woman or abortion doctor has to take any anti-abortion regulation seriously. Period. This is exactly the anti-freedom big government evil that cuntservaturds preach against and advocate using guns to fight back against.
Businesses and individuals have the freedom to require vaccines for those who do business with them, too.
Pro-antinatalist message I have been leaving on my American politicians' answering machines:
================================================== Hello. My name is XXXX. I am calling from your district on behalf of Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegans or AARVs. All true patriotic Americans are AARVs. We fight for REAL freedom: freedom for the BILLIONS of innocent fully sentient animals forced against their will in tiny cages in factory farms. We support war against factory farming. We support massive funding of cellular agriculture, biocultured meat, & genetic engineering. We also know that humans are animals and therefore humans also have the right NOT to be forced into existence without their prior consent. I personally support mandatory vasectomies + mandatory abortions of humans, but especially starting with hypocritical meat-eaters, religionists, antivaxxers, Anthropogenic Global Warming deniers, and all other forms of antiscience history -denialists and reality-denialists.
The vegan antinalism cause is NOT some TRIVIAL cause like the antiabortion cause of fighting a TRIVIAL amount of pain forced on barely sentient fetuses. Nor a trivial cause like antivaxx: opposing a trivial sting of a shot to stave off a massive harm like a pandemic.
I call on you to support gun freedom for AARVs. We are the true patriots who should be armed.
We AARVs are SICK and TIRED of ONLY the conservative and centrist ideologies being represented in OUR government. If politicians won't make life perfectly fair and wealth-labor equal, then politicians have no right to complain about whatever the nonconsenting born do nor what their political opinions are or what laws they break. No right to complain if nobody breeds for them.
Breeding is selfish. Breeding is murder. Outlaw it. Thank you.
ALL decisions are utilitarian decisions. ALL decisions are utilitarian decisions. ALL decisions are utilitarian decisions. That means weighing ALL positives and ALL negatives to EVERYONE of ALL consequences.
The infinite illogic and hypocrisy of any one-sided slogan. It is LITERALLY just ONE SIDE of an equation.
Saying you are "pro-freedom": Antiabortionists want the fetus to be free from abortion. Pro-choicers and pro-mandatory abortionists like myself want the fetus to be free from a lifetime of suffering and death while fully sentient, and also the woman and her abortion doctor to be free from government intervention. Then you have to be anti-war: because the military and security agencies arrest people for expressing alternative opinions than the status quo govt during a war. Then you have to be pro-war: because of the freedom you give to the people when you kill their tyrants, dictators, evil regimes. Then you have to be pro-freedom for businesses and individuals to have the right to demand vaccinations and masks, and to be free from a deadly pandemic. Then you have to be pro-freedom for people to be able to go about their business and not to have to be vaccinated or wear masks.
Saying you are "pro-life". Then you have to be vegan: because eating meat kills sentient animals. Then you have to be anti-war: because killing some murderer or tyrant ends their life. Then you have to be pro-war: because not killing that murderer or tyrant allows them to kill somebody else. Then you have to be anti-abortion: because abortion kills the fetus. Then you have to be pro-abortion: because you force death on a fully sentient pregnant woman giving birth, or who has to get an illegal abortion, and you also force death on the fully sentient person when that fetus grows up, and dies, anyway.
ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL one-sided slogans are CONTRADICTORY. Whether "violence is never justified" or "be respectful" or "don't be condescending" or "obey the law" (because laws throughout history contradict each other) or "stand up to the government" (again, because the laws change) or unfalsifiable untestable garbage like the US constitution that ANYTHING AT ALL IS LOGICALLY CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT WITH -
only math can quantify the magnitude of trade offs.
I am especially mad at this because my late mother and father fought for many years at National Organization for Women (NOW) for legalized AND funded abortion in the 1980s into 1990s. I, too, stood outside and defended a clinic, one time. So I am REALLY angry at the thought of her hard work being undone.
The worst is yet to come. The Supreme Court has made it clear that the Constitution, established law and legal precedent no longer matter, but what does matter is their own definition of "tradition". They will hear a case in the fall which will revert all federal oversight of elections to state boards, making Trump's illegal attempt to overthrow the election standard practice and very legal. That will be the final nail in the coffin of democracy. Votes will not matter.
Fight them or let them win. They are willing to fight and die for their vision, are we?
Madeline
I was hoping to hear what you had to say on this, MadelineOasis...
So today Mrs. Bee and I just went to get our passports renewed but are planning to visit Toronto later this year to kick the emigration tires, so to speak.
I would gladly take up arms against the internal domestic threat, would gladly enlist and go to civil war to exterminate this alt-right cancer, but not sure where to sign up???
Grass roots political donations, even a national strike, appear quaint, as helpful as a slingshot in a fire fight, and every day brings fresh horrors and now with a radicalized, energized SCOTUS, every right we hold is in question, up in the air.
Best I can do is try to protect myself and, more importantly, my family as this country turns into something far more dangerous and ugly than it already is...
Good thoughts! As for what to do? Here's all I can say...
Way back before drumpf was elected and for the first year afterwards, we used to go to every protest. I carried a sign that had a "no nazi" symbol on one side and "Trump is a traitor" on the other. I was shunned, laughed at, mocked and put on the fringe, and that was by the Democrats I protested with. The final straw was an open forum with my House Rep, Maxine Waters, a tough as nails Dem known for not taking crap. When I got up to speak, I outlined how we were being taken down the nazi road by his administration and again, I was laughed at, told to sit down, and Rep Waters actually rolled her eyes at me. I never went to another protest.
We spent the next two years looking for a place in the middle of nowhere that can be defended and we moved here three years ago... 40 acres, stocked pond, returned the woods and fields to native, installed concrete in the garage, electrified it, and put in a large generator with three 500 gallon tanks, that kind of thing.
We chose here because we think that all you need to do to destroy any city is turn off the electricity. Yes, we are surrounded by nazi's here, but they won't starve us out. We're going to make them pay for it.
Three years ago I mentioned in a post that I was going to do a wetlook shoot holding an AR. I took so much flack for it (What the FUCK are you doing with an AR???) that I never did it.
We have three of them now, and a dozen handguns, one for each room.
What can you do to fight back? All the money from Oasis Video now goes to The Midwest Access Coalition, a well established group that pays for out of state trips to get abortions. We inform, engage and discuss with anyone who will listen, but when you have only one "news" forum you trust, enlist the help or actual nazi's to violently overthrow the government, and overtake government institutions by any bullshit, autocratic means possible, we just smile and go our separate ways. There's no more dialogue, they want a war.
Honestly, we chose, like you, to surround ourselves with family and friends, warriors and survivalists, and arm ourselves. Millions will die in this country when they take over. Our intent is to take as many of them with us as possible. We will not be marched to our deaths, that's all we can say.
I apologize if you think this is too dark or crazy, but I am a student of history and what is going on in this country is exactly how every dictator who has ever taken over a nation did it, from Hitler and Mao to Castro and Putnin... identify your enemy, demonize him, take away his rights, then his money, property and eventually his life. If you have not been paying attention, you might think I was a psychotic loony. If you have been paying attention, you are arming yourself for the inevitable like we are.
And for those undecided, just a quick summation of just two of the absolutely fucked up rulings handed down from the stolen, partisan Supreme Court. Abortion... we stopped in the local gas station the other day. Two young black women were behind the counter. Baby asked, "What do you think of the new abortion crackdown?" One finally replied with a disgusted sigh, "It don't effect me." Okay...
But it effects everyone. They struck it down by saying the rule of law and legal precedent no longer matter, that only their interpretation of "tradition" matters. White, xtian, male dominated tradition and looked to the Dark Ages for legal precedent. They said that abortion was not mentioned in the Constitution therefore no one has a right to one. Well, either are machine guns, cars, planes, trains, computers, cell phones and pumpkin pies. Think about it. Roe v Wade is based on the right to privacy and now no one has privacy. That means gay marriage, interracial marriage, and contraception will fall next. They said it is for the states to decide what happens with abortion and only the states can enforce it. That means the state now controls everything you say and do, in the privacy of your own home to what you say and do on your phone, computer and social media. And their own "police" and courts will delve out punishment as they see fit. Democracy is gone. Long live the king.
And the other one of many: In Wisconsin, the Supreme Court kicked back to the state ruling that a government vacancy is not vacant if someone is there. In Wisconsin, the republicans control everything except the Governer's office, and the governor chooses who sits in certain government positions. This ruling now means that if the people in those positions never leave after their terms are up, then the governor cannot replace them. They just stay there. And this is actually what is happening right now... no one is leaving their positions which means the governor is 100% powerless to do his job as outlined in the state constitution! Wisconsin is a swing state and every other red state will follow this trend. They just never vacate their positions, regardless of policy or law, from county tax collector and the house, to the senate and supreme court. There is no more democracy. Just put on the nazi armband and stay.
And a side note on a third ruling... the Supreme Court said that the EPA cannot make laws that effect states because they were not elected officials. That means no government agency has any ability to do anything at all. If you were counting on the Federal government to protect you, that is now a pipe dream.
In my mind, the most damning ruling of all will be handed down in the fall. It will give states the only authority on how federal elections are held, and that means that states will have total control over who votes, where and when. The Democrats will never win another election. Period.
The current Supreme Court was the final stopgap to saving American democracy. They are now controlled by fascists who want an all white, all xtian, all straight nuclear armed ethno state like the nazis' they were installed by and their base. Now... who's going to stop them?
The Mario Brothers playing Millenials or Gen Z? Mexico? Canada? NATO??? Ever wonder why drumpf tried to destroy every pact we have with every friendly nation and NATO? Now you know.
So if you still think I am nuts and have gone all conspiracy theory on you, here is all I have to say to you... in every single war ever fought, roughly one third of the people are on one side, one third on the other, and one third thinks they can stay neutral. That works until one side is on their doorstep. There are only two choices, join them or fight them.
So when the nazi's come to your door, kill your father and husband, enlist your sons and brothers, rape and kill your mothers, daughters and nieces, don't come to me for help. I'll be long dead and buried somewhere on my 40 acres, just one of millions of nameless, faceless patriots that went down swinging.
So what did I mean by "fight"? Just that. The nazi's are among us. They are extremely well armed, extremely motivated, and highly organized. The Dems are dusting off their pink pussy hats and making signs. Baby and I have decided that we'd rather die defending the Constitution than be filmed jumping off a truck, running to a huge pit, and being shot in the back of the head.
You all have to make your own choice, but it's coming. Fight them or let them win. They are willing to fight and die for their vision, are we?
"When fascism comes to America. it will be draped in the American flag and be carrying a bible."
If you are looking to move to Canada, you might want to check out the new law in Quebec. You basically have 6 months to learn French. After the 6 months you are there you can no longer get government services in English. I am not sure why they did this horse shit, but it is what it is.
dalamar666 said: If you are looking to move to Canada, you might want to check out the new law in Quebec. You basically have 6 months to learn French. After the 6 months you are there you can no longer get government services in English. I am not sure why they did this horse shit, but it is what it is.
We have been looking at moving to Canada for years now. When we lived in Michigan three years ago, we went there on a very regular basis. We just love it and really enjoy the people, diversity, acceptance and equality. Walking around there is absolutely enlightening. I have said for many years that Canada is the democracy America should strive to be. We have ultimately decided not to move because we just can't leave our families.
And just a quick note, all the money from Oasis has always gone to charity. This year we are giving to the Midwest Access Coalition which helps women travel out of state for abortions. We encourage everyone to take a look at their website and consider it as well.