Love to blackmail people with publicly available information...

Congratulations on completely missing the point. You don't have to deal with the real problem if you can just toss baseless accusations at the OP, eh? You are precisely the reason why discussion of OP's identity is irrelevant, and indeed harmful to the thread and forum as a whole. You're looking a lot like the kind of person who would make life horrible for those who dare to be victims of crime or would speak up when a victim feels like they can't do so safely. The kind of person a community cannot tolerate if it wants to stay healthy.

Would you? Would you please? I mean, I have heard that people would pay you $100 if you did. I read between the lines that Chris would really, REALLY like it if you kicked him in the balls SO HARD that his grandchildren's grandchildren said 'ow'.

I got a pair of sweet Frye's you could use. Pointy toes and everything! Harness hardware - chef's kiss.

({Telegraph the Governor and tell him I said.. OW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))

I read between the lines that Chris won't have grandchildren, tho, because I read between the lines that no woman would fuck Chris if he was the last beta-male (sorry, delta-male is more appropriate in this case) within a 200 klik-radius. So I read between the lines that Chris will not have children, or grandchildren.. or an orgasm not inflicted by other than his own Onanism... so.. anyway..

[Mild violence humor removed] I read between the lines that he'd really, really like that.

Please don't kick me in the balls, have you considered what if I was into BDSM? What kind of mixed signal would that cause?

Disclaimer: I'm not into BDSM.

This is getting pointless, and everyone has said all they wanted to say, including me. Since the decision has been made, I don't see the point engaging much more.

Stay tuned for mid-term elections.

Keep digging, Chris; you're sure to get out of this hole at some point.

So your guessing and then reading between the lines on that guess means you solved jack shit, congrats.

I have read all these comments on this topic I think Leon should have nothing to do with umd and most wam and would like to see mostwam continue without him being involved don't know if that is possible shouldn't allow one person to bring down the good work of others I support mostwam in there work but I do not support Leon which I appreciate is odd as Leon is part of mostwam in a,big way but I support what the girls do for there customers

I really don't know if adding to this thread is helpful, but just to say solidarity with anyone who has been the victim of sexual assault or made to feel unsafe. I hope we can all work to make everyone feel safe and welcome on UMD and, of course, as part of that there should be no place for convicted sex offenders on this site.

I understand your point, but are lying and not reporting yourself as a sex offender against the sites ToS?

I don't like what he did, but we are not the legal authorities. His punishment for the crime was a suspended sentence. His punishment from us appears to be ending his business. I can understand why he kept it quiet, and unlike some I don't believe we had a "right" to ever find out about it.

I never dealt with Leon previously as I don't have the same clothed kink, and I definitely wouldn't any more if I did, but that's a personal decision.

MM also had a personal decision to make, considering his own priorities.

I'm glad he made it the way he did because the alternative would be to constantly have to talk about it, to ensure that any new customers are aware of the behaviour of the site owner.

As I said previously, I'm more concerned with his victims. It's clear there are more than the one that got a conviction.

I think that is now part of the debate for some of us: Why is it not against the ToS? Should it be from this point onward? Companies, businesses, sites, all evolve from situations like this. So, perhaps this is the moment it should now evolve.

Everyone has the right to their personal choice - I made mine, and will not be seeking him or MostWam out to buy. I do not know their whole business model but Leon was synonymous with it, and in many ways the name behind it along with Lisa. Now collateral damage is unfortunate but it sounds that *some* working there knew about it; it's their choice and right if they wanteds to continue which is fair enough, and up to them on their own sites.

But I think this is the thing; on UMD, when you're selling products and making a profit, transparency on HERE at least should be important I think. They didn't make it aware to the admins of this site, and it has now come out after some time. It's lead to many being outraged, sad, betrayed - myself included. Now that is my issue, and I made my choice as I say personally. But it seems to be others as well; a lot of people have come out with uncomfortable feelings about this, and heartbreaking for many of us.

I know opinons are important and everyone has the right to their own, but if we look at a business that isn't a fetish site etc - you have to disclose it to your employers in most cases. Now I know UMD isn't an employer, but they facilitate and display the content. I know the stores run themselves but many people go through here to get to them, and the stores are actually on UMD in some cases, as well as producers own sites.

Surely, it is important for transparency to be aware of a serious conviction that is directly linked to the practice of selling content? Some of us have bought videos and content in the last year or two with no knowledge, and perhaps one or two including the model in question. Some maybe fine with that, others not - but no on really had the *choice* because we were not aware at the time, and after the money is long gone.

So, we cannot change the events of this weekend. But if something is done, implemented, advised, announced, written in the ToS then hopefully this has a chance to never happen again, or at least if it did (but hopefully it doesn't), then it's transparent and clear next time on the immediate action and consequence.

Again, just want to mention that stores and producers are their own people, but when on here they are linked full stop, whether or not they manage their own stores, UMD promotes it technically by even having them in the members list.

And all of that, like the important point you ended with, all of the above is in the importance and thoughts of the victim, any previous, and aiming to prevent any more models becoming victims.

EDIT: No, by the way we are not legal authorities as you say. But this site as I say hosts clips and products, at a personal level and with real people of course. It's not about further punishment, but the protection and care of models in the future. I mean, they put themselves out there for thousands to view, but they know and consent to that. Producers and stores, they all need to know where that line is and if that line is crossed, to proper themselves up away from the UMD which should be an (Ironically clean) community as per the ToS.

Dude if your innocent how about get a new layer 1) file an appeal and then 2 ) file a case for malpractice and damages.

if your laywer literally sabatoged yourcase, an appeals court would look at it if you have the evidence.
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the fact i have no legal knowledge and know this bothers me, and im from canada with the same type of system.

Yeah all this legal talk is also why I think this seems sketchy. He could appeal on bad legal counsel, but was it really bad counsel? Sounded like Leon was afraid of the info getting out. And the evidence on his side can't be used again, that doesn't make sense. If the state tries to convict someone and they do, then that person gets an appeal they can't use the evidence that was for them to support the appeal?

I'm starting to think the lawyer wasnt bad. I think this lawyer knew there simply was no victory here, case stacked, go to court and get alot worse.

not be political but canada and the uk share the same type of justice system and if that article speaks of anything the fact of how broken this system is.

and fyi no prosecutor or judge in their right mind would proceed with a plea if there was doubt about the certainty of guilt or the quality of the legal counsel, those are gateways for appeals and those appeals if approved usually end up sanctioning the prosecutor and judge.

plus then the government is open to lawsuits for damages caused by the process. the system is literally designed to try an avoid this outcome at all costs.

but as said earlier the only reason he got off with what he did is the system is broken, he didnt get the book thrown at him, if he did hed be spending 15- 20 years in a cell.

I havent been giving any credence or acknowledgement to his posts, not to be political but this is why i wont vote conservative until the trump braindead syndrome is eradicated and unfortunatley that man has infected canadian politics with maga shenanigans.

I come from a conservative area of canada and used to be honest be solid conservative, now im literally not voting until this changes, hopefully if enough of these fools lose the party will reset.

if an appeal was granted the evidence would be used as the case would be tried in court. the legal system of the uk and canada are virtually identical, it's basically a carbon copy here.

Dear me. Since your rant Al and Leon spoke confirming who was responsible albeit with contradictions. Leon owns 100% of the Limited Company that owns all the websites.
Al,Lisa and Leon all run it. All chose to mislead MM,customers and other producers.
They are free to conduct business still,just not on this Forum.
Any former model with a complaint against Leon personally or the company as a whole can now take steps as the number coming forward now grows.
My only priority was representing the former Mostwam model by alerting this forum to his conviction. I've not asked for them to be closed down as a business or any members of staff abused. If Leon and Lisa have a child and are together/have split up I wish them all the best with their parenting. The man by his own admission needs a lot of help. I hope he gets it.
Your focus would be better spent worrying about a girl/girls being treated a certain way and be happy in the knowledge you can still buy your turn on still,just not on here.

I think my main concern in watching the vidoes now is are the girls being treated with any sort of integrity and not the camera service integrity.

Careful with your statements about what you wanted Vavavie. You were tossing around all kinds of shade at people and the credibility of things while it was a heated issue. The posts are still there unless you delete them.

You seem very strange. Having just read through you have criticised me for answering lots of comments because I hadn't contributed much before and was happy to lurk,look at some photos.
Then when I thought even information was posted by me and Leon had posted enough information to lose all credibility I decided to leave. Penny Banks had also advised me that day to not post any more in regard to the girl, now girls getting advice legally.
The potato chap had asked some questions so I answered them all then tried to leave everything to Messmaster.
Your response was to say I was running away. Messmaster has dealt with the Mostwam side in regard to UMD. I admit I doubted his method at first as did Penny etc. I know understand it and has my backing.
If you put your name and address on here with photo ID then maybe other people will follow suit,if they do maybe I will too (except I won't because I'm not insane nor is it necessary)

This place is very much a home to me. Earlier on, and trying to catch up on things as I was away for the weekend a lot of this came across as "who the fuck is this guy and why is he trying to burn this place down" in my mind. Everyone didn't have access to all the information, lines were being formed, torches lit, and people threatening this or that if certain actions weren't taken immediately. It felt more like an attack on the entirety community and Leon was the Franz Ferdinand to ignite it all.

For instance, I stand by Penny's decision to leave, but felt her reasoning was premature (and fueled by her past and personal experiences). A lot of people wanted IMMEDIATE retaliatory action and were upset they didn't receive it then and there. I'm sad to see her go. She was a rock here, created the first awards show for out little kink, and was an avid member.

But given Messmaster's position of having to review more than just what people were saying, taking down a store like this isn't as easy as flipping a switch. There are customers who had active subscriptions, refunds to process etc. So much more than "Leon bad, pull the plug".

I was actually one of the people to flag the original thread at the time because of the address being in the column, and potential doxxing, etc. and ask for it to be frozen and the link pulled for review.

Now we have much more information and from more sources and time to review it. It's really unfortunate how many people this situation has fucked over. First and foremost, the model (and quite possibly others as time moves forward), employees, family, the UMD, customers, and even Leon.

Another sad end to another large and cherished producer this year.

I'm locking this thread because I think it's served its purpose. I may decide to delete it at some point. Not to hide it, but so that other victims don't have to keep seeing it and stumbling over it forever.

You can see the newer update thread here: https://umd.net/forums/update-to-the-leon-mostwam-situation

Peace,
Messmaster