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Pie Punk said: This whole situaion, and some others over the years, have reminded me why I never want to get that emotionally involved with this place, and why I left it so long before I even started posting.

I'm here for a means to an end, frankly. I enjoy civil conversation and discussion and I always try to be courteous, but I'm not here to make friends and have never really considered myself part of the "WAM community". This is a private part of my life and I prefer to keep my involvement with it at arm's length. You don't make friends by starting with your fetishes, that's open to all sorts of exploitation. You may think you're friends with people on here, but unless you physically meet them (which itself comes with risks, the old "never meet your heroes" applies), all you've really befriended is an idealised form of someone, the way they present themselves in a fantasy world. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not a punk and am nowhere near as cool, handsome and confident as "Mike" in my stories. I'd be a massive disappointment. But I am an honest and decent bloke, so if even I can distort my identity, there's no limit to what someone with no morals will do.

Please stay safe. My sympathies are with anyone who was exploited by this piece of work, and most of all, whoever this poor girl is that seemingly doesn't even get the dignity of an early death without being used for sexploitation.

Very sensible perspective. I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reactions of betrayal displayed here.
Anything closer than arm's length relationships cultivated on the Interwebs should be regarded with the same caution as living in a dangerous, high crime neighborhood...intense awareness and sceptical caution is ALWAYS called for.

VanillaXSlime

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I've been trying to process this for a few days now. I don't think I was especially close to Kelsey, but I considered her (and I will continue using she/her pronouns while I talk about how I perceived my interactions with Kelsey) a friend. I mostly chatted with her via Discord, and we mainly chatted about various scene ideas. It wasn't anything overly deep, but she was just someone who was a nice, fun presence.

I have trust issues at the best of times, and Kelsey isn't the first person to have deceived me, nor are they (since I'm now talking about the present) the person who has betrayed my trust in the worst way. This doesn't make it much easier to deal with, but at least I can cut them out of my life without any guilt.

And yeah, the idea that this in any way absolves any other sex offender of their responsibility or vindicates those who defended them is so absurd, I'm not even sure why I or anyone else is even acknowledging it.

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MelonieNosha said:

Gooeyandsticky said: I am totally sure there are others. I am not saying this to get a response, but I know of at least one other producer in here who isn't who you think (and no ... I won't reveal who it is). But I found that out totally by accident.

Really gross to come to this thread and say you know of another fake and that you won't tell

Circling back, has this been flagged/investigated at all? I can't seem to find the OG post but I'm scrolling through on my phone so it's possible I've missed it.

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In no way do I support mostwam or Leon anymore of course

but UMD does support sex offenders when it continues to support and protect other sex offending producers on here. Which it does, we know it does for the last 10 years... AND Which Kelsey did too!

Thats my point, the delusional hypocrisy of everyone on here is astonishing.

so yeah I do feel vindicated, it just needs to be a lot more to go as well.

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CalGungeFan said: In no way do I support mostwam or Leon anymore of course

but UMD does support sex offenders when it continues to support and protect other sex offending producers on here. Which it does, we know it does for the last 10 years... AND Which Kelsey did too!

Thats my point, the delusional hypocrisy of everyone on here is astonishing.

so yeah I do feel vindicated, it just needs to be a lot more to go as well.

And what exactly do you suggest that "everyone" does about this supposedly known sex offender? The average user has two options available to them - inform the moderators, or inform the police. The latter isn't an option if we don't know the name and location of the offender. Neither option is a guarantee of action on behalf of the informed party either, and there's very little action that we could take that would change that.

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VanillaXSlime said:

CalGungeFan said: In no way do I support mostwam or Leon anymore of course

but UMD does support sex offenders when it continues to support and protect other sex offending producers on here. Which it does, we know it does for the last 10 years... AND Which Kelsey did too!

Thats my point, the delusional hypocrisy of everyone on here is astonishing.

so yeah I do feel vindicated, it just needs to be a lot more to go as well.

And what exactly do you suggest that "everyone" does about this supposedly known sex offender? The average user has two options available to them - inform the moderators, or inform the police. The latter isn't an option if we don't know the name and location of the offender. Neither option is a guarantee of action on behalf of the informed party either, and there's very little action that we could take that would change that.

Reporting here does nothing. Take it to the authorities and give all the details of the incident including the site, date and time of occurrence unsername, email etc. If it is who I think we are talking about, UMD made it's position clear that unless there is substantial criminal action against the accused or conviction, they won't do anything. Bottom line: Any evidence of SA by a producer or any person on this forum, PLEASE take it to the police.

As for not knowing the name of the offender, in most cases, if the investigation warrants it and a judge oks it, they can court order records of the accused. This may not be the case in every jurisdiction depending on the country, state, province the incident took place. Ask an attorney for a more detailed explanation.

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CalGungeFan

I barely come on here anymore maybe a couple of times in the last 7 months, and the first time since January ish

only came on because I heard the news regarding Kelsey... and I wanted to enjoy every moment of it

You've hit the nail on the head this corruption and erosion is spread wide and far, there's not a lot we can do. Other than rise against the tide of corruption and Stand Together United

and this forum has been falling apart for years now,

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CalGungeFan said: I barely come on here anymore maybe a couple of times in the last 7 months, and the first time since January ish

only came on because I heard the news regarding Kelsey... and I wanted to enjoy every moment of it

You're just happy because someone who rightly called you out for your frankly atrocious take on the MostWAM situation turned out to be a nasty piece of work. That isn't the W you seem to think it is.

You've hit the nail on the head this corruption and erosion is spread wide and far, there's not a lot we can do. Other than rise against the tide of corruption and Stand Together United

By doing what exactly? What action do you suggest that would actually make a difference? Saying that is just a meaningless faux-revolutionary slogan that doesn't accomplish anything either.

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CalGungeFan said: I barely come on here anymore maybe a couple of times in the last 7 months, and the first time since January ish

only came on because I heard the news regarding Kelsey... and I wanted to enjoy every moment of it

You've hit the nail on the head this corruption and erosion is spread wide and far, there's not a lot we can do. Other than rise against the tide of corruption and Stand Together United

and this forum has been falling apart for years now,

You really have no idea how pathetic you look, huh?

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Not sure if this has been answered but who over "kelsey" was won't be allowed back at this point??

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Daisy D Duncan said:

Messmaster said:

dalamar666 said:
Yeah do a basic check to see if the ID is even valid. I am sure that there are similar systems in other countries like what exists in the states. You do a simple name search and add a city. You get ages and all kinds of information. Is there someone in that city with that name and that age, yes great. No, reject.

I can't upload people's information anywhere because that's against my own TOS for me to do. I'm not sure how else to phrase that.

Neat! I'm gonna use this excuse in future - I couldn't do the washing up because it's "against my own TOS."

Does this not suggest to you that you need to look at your own TOS? It seems like you've decided on a way things *must* be handled, and that there is *no* possibility of things ever improving, really. Even though many people in this thread are flagging up ways that other sites do it, offering multiple suggestions, etc.

This is a huge safety concern and I really don't think the response is good enough. People have already been misled and scammed, and a real person's memory has been cruelly desecrated. Something even more serious could happen the next time. Nobody's disputing that you do a lot of work, MM. But if that work isn't enough to safeguard the people who make content - the entire lifeblood of the site - then something needs to change.

Sending big love to everyone who has been affected by this.

Cool, can you post your drivers license, social security card, birth certificate, routing number, date and amount of your last deposit for the community?

I swear, it's not for anything nefarious, it's just so we know you're legit.

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Nostalgic Erotica Prod said: Bottom line: Any evidence of SA by a producer or any person on this forum, PLEASE take it to the police.

Short of one of the enhanced certification methods presented thus far, this is about the only way we have to deal with this kind of situation. It can't be echoed loud enough: If you see something, say something to the people who can directly address the matter. Many law enforcement entities don't have the best record for handling SA well (or at all, for that matter), they can do things that TOS and logistics don't allow us to do.

Also, paraphrasing something I said in a different thread a few days back, if you do see - or worse, experience - something, reach out to someone who can help and support you. Even witnessing that shit can be traumatic, and while it may be hard to talk about directly, talking about it is so much better than letting it sit and grow inside. Even if it all becomes overwhelming, remember to take some time to be good to yourself.

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PotatomanK said:

Daisy D Duncan said:

Messmaster said:

dalamar666 said:
Yeah do a basic check to see if the ID is even valid. I am sure that there are similar systems in other countries like what exists in the states. You do a simple name search and add a city. You get ages and all kinds of information. Is there someone in that city with that name and that age, yes great. No, reject.

I can't upload people's information anywhere because that's against my own TOS for me to do. I'm not sure how else to phrase that.

Neat! I'm gonna use this excuse in future - I couldn't do the washing up because it's "against my own TOS."

Does this not suggest to you that you need to look at your own TOS? It seems like you've decided on a way things *must* be handled, and that there is *no* possibility of things ever improving, really. Even though many people in this thread are flagging up ways that other sites do it, offering multiple suggestions, etc.

This is a huge safety concern and I really don't think the response is good enough. People have already been misled and scammed, and a real person's memory has been cruelly desecrated. Something even more serious could happen the next time. Nobody's disputing that you do a lot of work, MM. But if that work isn't enough to safeguard the people who make content - the entire lifeblood of the site - then something needs to change.

Sending big love to everyone who has been affected by this.

Cool, can you post your drivers license, social security card, birth certificate, routing number, date and amount of your last deposit for the community?

I swear, it's not for anything nefarious, it's just so we know you're legit.

My dude, someone can express desire for a different system without that system being forum posting your SSN and banking information. We need a downvote button for comments that are mean, dumb, and - my favorite - both ^^. MM, I get your hesitation on the verification bits but hit us with that thumbs down ASAP please

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I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reactions of betrayal displayed here.
Anything closer than arm's length relationships cultivated on the Interwebs should be regarded with the same caution as living in a dangerous, high crime neighborhood...intense awareness and sceptical caution is ALWAYS called for.

I think that means you may struggle with perspective taking. I'll add that your comment is coming across as perhaps not as rational as you'd like it to; it implies you are reacting emotionally (with exasperation or perhaps contempt) for the victims of this situation. Knowing better than to connect closely with an online stranger should not preclude you from understanding how someone might feel if they ended up doing so. "I don't understand how someone could experience pain if they touch a hot stove because - well, why would they even do that?" is a logically equivalent statement that hopefully illustrates my point here.

I agree with your position: we all need to be wary of internet people. Stranger danger is real. But the social cohesion that is generated in online communities about niche interests is also real, and experienced by billions of people. And that cohesion begets perceived trust. Trust yields exchange and interaction, and positive emotions toward others they connect with. Which, when violated, lends itself to people finding themselves in this situation and feeling hurt.

While your comment implies that the victims earned their betrayal or should have known better, it also emphasizes your confusion that people would have feelings about being betrayed and want something done about it. I hope this cleared things up for you on that front, regardless of whether you feel sympathy for those affected.

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phantasm90 said:

Nostalgic Erotica Prod said: Bottom line: Any evidence of SA by a producer or any person on this forum, PLEASE take it to the police.

Short of one of the enhanced certification methods presented thus far, this is about the only way we have to deal with this kind of situation. It can't be echoed loud enough: If you see something, say something to the people who can directly address the matter. Many law enforcement entities don't have the best record for handling SA well (or at all, for that matter), they can do things that TOS and logistics don't allow us to do.

Also, paraphrasing something I said in a different thread a few days back, if you do see - or worse, experience - something, reach out to someone who can help and support you. Even witnessing that shit can be traumatic, and while it may be hard to talk about directly, talking about it is so much better than letting it sit and grow inside. Even if it all becomes overwhelming, remember to take some time to be good to yourself.

Well said, all of it!

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I can't recall the last time I felt this betrayed/gutted by something I really felt to be true.
Or by the actions of someone I trusted.

Fantasy! Hell of a drug.

I feel sick to my stomach,

Burn it all down. Nothing is real.

Fuck everything,

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JoeYoung said: The ways I was duped by this person.

The ways many of you are involved, who I've never even met, but yet we're oddly linked.

This person definitely encouraged me to try and get friends, good close friends, involved; I never did, but how embarrassing it all is in hindsight.

What an insane betrayal.

There should be a crisis hotline for this,

JY

Emotional manipulation and related abuse can be pretty psychologically damaging, and it's beginning to look a lot like that was the plan for the "Kelsey" persona all along. All the more reason to take the time, lean on your support structure, and focus on yourself for a bit. You've probably seen it already, but I can't give a strong enough recommendation for Chloe's thread for victims (https://umd.net/forums/victims-of-kelsey), which is the best set-up for healing within the community that I've seen for some time. Use the resources you have available, and working through this will become much easier. Not easy, by any means, but easier.

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MelonieNosha said:

Gooeyandsticky said: I am totally sure there are others. I am not saying this to get a response, but I know of at least one other producer in here who isn't who you think (and no ... I won't reveal who it is). But I found that out totally by accident.

Really gross to come to this thread and say you know of another fake and that you won't tell

I won't because there is enough crap going on in here at the moment, and it's not my place to get involved in what is essentially... not my business.
If it was something horrifically illegal, morally incorrect etc, then yes... I would PRIVATELY tell MM.

I highly doubt there are many accounts spattered all over the net that are girls pretending to be men, but the other way around? Masses of them. No idea what kick they get out of it, but it seems be be a thing.

I think people need to realise that humans are not all nice. Take this place for what it is... yes it's a community, but all communities have bad apples. Enjoy the boobies, chat to the nice people and accept that some people are not going to be who their internet persona makes them out to be.

We will be back here again imminently. That is the internet .

Anyway.... I'll get my coat

umd105790

everything said in these posts are true, and there are a lot of emotions to unpack and heal

it's multifaceted for me. Kelsey Catfish, for what she was, was also my slime therapist. before conversing with her, I was a 20yr or so serial lurker.. too afraid to start a umd account, engage in this community, or find any acceptance or internal peace with myself. She did in the end make me feel seen and not alone, and helped me finally be ok to love what I love, and come out of my shell. so I will very much miss that Kelsey..

but I know on the other hand how much she hurt everyone, so it's a mixed emotion. I feel for you all and hope we can find our peace with this in time

Goodbye Kelsey.

Keep the change you filthy animal

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Gooeyandsticky said:

MelonieNosha said:

Gooeyandsticky said: I am totally sure there are others. I am not saying this to get a response, but I know of at least one other producer in here who isn't who you think (and no ... I won't reveal who it is). But I found that out totally by accident.

Really gross to come to this thread and say you know of another fake and that you won't tell

I won't because there is enough crap going on in here at the moment, and it's not my place to get involved in what is essentially... not my business.
If it was something horrifically illegal, morally incorrect etc, then yes... I would PRIVATELY tell MM.

I mean, whether you see it as your business or not, you know of somebody else lying to everyone on the site, so I would say that it's kind of everyone's business. If you don't say something, we're gonna have to go through this whole thing again and I don't think anyone wants that. Surely it's best to just get everything out in the open while we're all on the topic anyway, no? That way we can avoid another massive fallout and just deal with it all at once. Also, how is a fraud deceiving the community not "morally incorrect?"

Andorian

Nada said:

I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reactions of betrayal displayed here.
Anything closer than arm's length relationships cultivated on the Interwebs should be regarded with the same caution as living in a dangerous, high crime neighborhood...intense awareness and sceptical caution is ALWAYS called for.

I think that means you may struggle with perspective taking. I'll add that your comment is coming across as perhaps not as rational as you'd like it to; it implies you are reacting emotionally (with exasperation or perhaps contempt) for the victims of this situation. Knowing better than to connect closely with an online stranger should not preclude you from understanding how someone might feel if they ended up doing so. "I don't understand how someone could experience pain if they touch a hot stove because - well, why would they even do that?" is a logically equivalent statement that hopefully illustrates my point here.

I agree with your position: we all need to be wary of internet people. Stranger danger is real. But the social cohesion that is generated in online communities about niche interests is also real, and experienced by billions of people. And that cohesion begets perceived trust. Trust yields exchange and interaction, and positive emotions toward others they connect with. Which, when violated, lends itself to people finding themselves in this situation and feeling hurt.

While your comment implies that the victims earned their betrayal or should have known better, it also emphasizes your confusion that people would have feelings about being betrayed and want something done about it. I hope this cleared things up for you on that front, regardless of whether you feel sympathy for those affected.

Oh, Brother.
I'm afraid you have immediately begun to do exactly what I was cautioning about: Making up your mind about somebody and believing you understand them and their capacities and motivations based on the scantest of information obtained from an anonymous forum.
"There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see"

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JoeYoung said: I was late to finding this all out.

I'm still in shock.

I really do feel like I need a support group to join.

I have huge issues re: trust and this feels like a knife in the gut.

For anyone who is rolling their eyes/taking a hard stance, you certainly have that right but it feels really unproductive and mean.

JY

Joe, check out the messy minds section. You can find it under groups. That is the section of the forum for some good mental health talk. I think it would help.

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JoeYoung said: I was late to finding this all out.

I'm still in shock.

I really do feel like I need a support group to join.

I have huge issues re: trust and this feels like a knife in the gut.

For anyone who is rolling their eyes/taking a hard stance, you certainly have that right but it feels really unproductive and mean.

JY

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Andorian said:

Nada said:

I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reactions of betrayal displayed here.
Anything closer than arm's length relationships cultivated on the Interwebs should be regarded with the same caution as living in a dangerous, high crime neighborhood...intense awareness and sceptical caution is ALWAYS called for.

I think that means you may struggle with perspective taking. I'll add that your comment is coming across as perhaps not as rational as you'd like it to; it implies you are reacting emotionally (with exasperation or perhaps contempt) for the victims of this situation. Knowing better than to connect closely with an online stranger should not preclude you from understanding how someone might feel if they ended up doing so. "I don't understand how someone could experience pain if they touch a hot stove because - well, why would they even do that?" is a logically equivalent statement that hopefully illustrates my point here.

I agree with your position: we all need to be wary of internet people. Stranger danger is real. But the social cohesion that is generated in online communities about niche interests is also real, and experienced by billions of people. And that cohesion begets perceived trust. Trust yields exchange and interaction, and positive emotions toward others they connect with. Which, when violated, lends itself to people finding themselves in this situation and feeling hurt.

While your comment implies that the victims earned their betrayal or should have known better, it also emphasizes your confusion that people would have feelings about being betrayed and want something done about it. I hope this cleared things up for you on that front, regardless of whether you feel sympathy for those affected.

Oh, Brother.
I'm afraid you have immediately begun to do exactly what I was cautioning about: Making up your mind about somebody and believing you understand them and their capacities and motivations based on the scantest of information obtained from an anonymous forum.
"There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see"

Oh I'm 20/20 baby.

But I'm sorry if my inference about your comment and my attempt to explain the logic of an emotion you said you didn't understand hurt your feelings. "I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reaction" of your reply so I guess we share some confusion

Not to turn this into a lesson in logic or rhetoric, but your original comment is *not* about making snap judgments. It's about using "caution" with people on the internet, keeping them at "arm's length," and not trusting them to speak or act with kindness/your best interest by assuming they could be "dangerous" (your words). I agree. And I think I'm heeding your caution quite well in my reply. Thanks for making it easy to do so

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Nada said:

Andorian said:

Nada said:

I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reactions of betrayal displayed here.
Anything closer than arm's length relationships cultivated on the Interwebs should be regarded with the same caution as living in a dangerous, high crime neighborhood...intense awareness and sceptical caution is ALWAYS called for.

I think that means you may struggle with perspective taking. I'll add that your comment is coming across as perhaps not as rational as you'd like it to; it implies you are reacting emotionally (with exasperation or perhaps contempt) for the victims of this situation. Knowing better than to connect closely with an online stranger should not preclude you from understanding how someone might feel if they ended up doing so. "I don't understand how someone could experience pain if they touch a hot stove because - well, why would they even do that?" is a logically equivalent statement that hopefully illustrates my point here.

I agree with your position: we all need to be wary of internet people. Stranger danger is real. But the social cohesion that is generated in online communities about niche interests is also real, and experienced by billions of people. And that cohesion begets perceived trust. Trust yields exchange and interaction, and positive emotions toward others they connect with. Which, when violated, lends itself to people finding themselves in this situation and feeling hurt.

While your comment implies that the victims earned their betrayal or should have known better, it also emphasizes your confusion that people would have feelings about being betrayed and want something done about it. I hope this cleared things up for you on that front, regardless of whether you feel sympathy for those affected.

Oh, Brother.
I'm afraid you have immediately begun to do exactly what I was cautioning about: Making up your mind about somebody and believing you understand them and their capacities and motivations based on the scantest of information obtained from an anonymous forum.
"There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see"

I'm sorry if my inference about your comment and my attempt to explain the logic of an emotion you said you didn't understand hurt your feelings. "I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reaction" of your reply so I guess we share some confusion

Not to turn this into a lesson in logic or rhetoric, but your original comment is *not* about making snap judgments. It's about using "caution" with people on the internet, keeping them at "arm's length," and not trusting them to speak or act with kindness/your best interest by assuming they could be "dangerous" (your words). I agree. And I think I'm heeding your caution quite well in my reply. Thanks for making it easy to do so

My "feelings" are not hurt. You're just wrong about one more thing. Why do you imagine I should care what you think?
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Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:

Daisy D Duncan said:

Messmaster said:

Daisy D Duncan said:
Your principles - inflexible and self-perpetuating - are the problem here, MM. As owner of a community hub, you have a duty of care. But if you won't take that seriously, people will continue to abandon UMD - I'm certainly considering deleting my account.

I appreciate your passion, but for me as a site owner, that passion has to be converted into an actionable plan. So far, the only suggestions I'm hearing are to submit user info somewhere for additional verification beyond what's already required of our billers. I am not prepared to do that at this time. I hope my principles about not sharing user information aren't read as me not caring, as it's the exact opposite.

Well, here's an actionable suggestion: why not gather a small working group of trusted site creators - including those who would like UMD to do more, perhaps some of the voices in this thread - and have an actual meeting (not a thread), with the aim of reaching some kind of compromise and some further action points?

That and Psychic_Mess just pointed out a very viable solution as well that would work out nicely. I am totally down for either

Here is a discord you could all do a phone conversation with or set up a moderation team to be guided if the site especially between different time zones https://discord.gg/YJMzZust

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JoeYoung said: I can't recall the last time I felt this betrayed/gutted by something I really felt to be true.
Or by the actions of someone I trusted.

Fantasy! Hell of a drug.

I feel sick to my stomach,

Burn it all down. Nothing is real.

Fuck everything,

JY

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