This^. Leon had everything he deserved coming at him and he only has himself to blame. Don't try to use this instance for an excuse to try putting a halo on Leon or Mostwam for their involvement. If you are a producer and you have been found out for committing sexual assault on a model, I don't care who you are: Good riddance

Very sensible perspective. I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reactions of betrayal displayed here.
Anything closer than arm's length relationships cultivated on the Interwebs should be regarded with the same caution as living in a dangerous, high crime neighborhood...intense awareness and sceptical caution is ALWAYS called for.

I've been trying to process this for a few days now. I don't think I was especially close to Kelsey, but I considered her (and I will continue using she/her pronouns while I talk about how I perceived my interactions with Kelsey) a friend. I mostly chatted with her via Discord, and we mainly chatted about various scene ideas. It wasn't anything overly deep, but she was just someone who was a nice, fun presence.

I have trust issues at the best of times, and Kelsey isn't the first person to have deceived me, nor are they (since I'm now talking about the present) the person who has betrayed my trust in the worst way. This doesn't make it much easier to deal with, but at least I can cut them out of my life without any guilt.

And yeah, the idea that this in any way absolves any other sex offender of their responsibility or vindicates those who defended them is so absurd, I'm not even sure why I or anyone else is even acknowledging it.

Circling back, has this been flagged/investigated at all? I can't seem to find the OG post but I'm scrolling through on my phone so it's possible I've missed it.

In no way do I support mostwam or Leon anymore of course

but UMD does support sex offenders when it continues to support and protect other sex offending producers on here. Which it does, we know it does for the last 10 years... AND Which Kelsey did too!

Thats my point, the delusional hypocrisy of everyone on here is astonishing.

so yeah I do feel vindicated, it just needs to be a lot more to go as well.

And what exactly do you suggest that "everyone" does about this supposedly known sex offender? The average user has two options available to them - inform the moderators, or inform the police. The latter isn't an option if we don't know the name and location of the offender. Neither option is a guarantee of action on behalf of the informed party either, and there's very little action that we could take that would change that.

Reporting here does nothing. Take it to the authorities and give all the details of the incident including the site, date and time of occurrence unsername, email etc. If it is who I think we are talking about, UMD made it's position clear that unless there is substantial criminal action against the accused or conviction, they won't do anything. Bottom line: Any evidence of SA by a producer or any person on this forum, PLEASE take it to the police.

As for not knowing the name of the offender, in most cases, if the investigation warrants it and a judge oks it, they can court order records of the accused. This may not be the case in every jurisdiction depending on the country, state, province the incident took place. Ask an attorney for a more detailed explanation.

I barely come on here anymore maybe a couple of times in the last 7 months, and the first time since January ish

only came on because I heard the news regarding Kelsey... and I wanted to enjoy every moment of it

You've hit the nail on the head this corruption and erosion is spread wide and far, there's not a lot we can do. Other than rise against the tide of corruption and Stand Together United

and this forum has been falling apart for years now,

You're just happy because someone who rightly called you out for your frankly atrocious take on the MostWAM situation turned out to be a nasty piece of work. That isn't the W you seem to think it is.


By doing what exactly? What action do you suggest that would actually make a difference? Saying that is just a meaningless faux-revolutionary slogan that doesn't accomplish anything either.

You really have no idea how pathetic you look, huh?

Not sure if this has been answered but who over "kelsey" was won't be allowed back at this point??

Cool, can you post your drivers license, social security card, birth certificate, routing number, date and amount of your last deposit for the community?

I swear, it's not for anything nefarious, it's just so we know you're legit.

Short of one of the enhanced certification methods presented thus far, this is about the only way we have to deal with this kind of situation. It can't be echoed loud enough: If you see something, say something to the people who can directly address the matter. Many law enforcement entities don't have the best record for handling SA well (or at all, for that matter), they can do things that TOS and logistics don't allow us to do.

Also, paraphrasing something I said in a different thread a few days back, if you do see - or worse, experience - something, reach out to someone who can help and support you. Even witnessing that shit can be traumatic, and while it may be hard to talk about directly, talking about it is so much better than letting it sit and grow inside. Even if it all becomes overwhelming, remember to take some time to be good to yourself.

My dude, someone can express desire for a different system without that system being forum posting your SSN and banking information. We need a downvote button for comments that are mean, dumb, and - my favorite - both ^^. MM, I get your hesitation on the verification bits but hit us with that thumbs down ASAP please

I think that means you may struggle with perspective taking. I'll add that your comment is coming across as perhaps not as rational as you'd like it to; it implies you are reacting emotionally (with exasperation or perhaps contempt) for the victims of this situation. Knowing better than to connect closely with an online stranger should not preclude you from understanding how someone might feel if they ended up doing so. "I don't understand how someone could experience pain if they touch a hot stove because - well, why would they even do that?" is a logically equivalent statement that hopefully illustrates my point here.

I agree with your position: we all need to be wary of internet people. Stranger danger is real. But the social cohesion that is generated in online communities about niche interests is also real, and experienced by billions of people. And that cohesion begets perceived trust. Trust yields exchange and interaction, and positive emotions toward others they connect with. Which, when violated, lends itself to people finding themselves in this situation and feeling hurt.

While your comment implies that the victims earned their betrayal or should have known better, it also emphasizes your confusion that people would have feelings about being betrayed and want something done about it. I hope this cleared things up for you on that front, regardless of whether you feel sympathy for those affected.

Well said, all of it!

I can't recall the last time I felt this betrayed/gutted by something I really felt to be true.
Or by the actions of someone I trusted.

Fantasy! Hell of a drug.

I feel sick to my stomach,

Burn it all down. Nothing is real.

Fuck everything,

JY

Emotional manipulation and related abuse can be pretty psychologically damaging, and it's beginning to look a lot like that was the plan for the "Kelsey" persona all along. All the more reason to take the time, lean on your support structure, and focus on yourself for a bit. You've probably seen it already, but I can't give a strong enough recommendation for Chloe's thread for victims (https://umd.net/forums/victims-of-kelsey), which is the best set-up for healing within the community that I've seen for some time. Use the resources you have available, and working through this will become much easier. Not easy, by any means, but easier.

I won't because there is enough crap going on in here at the moment, and it's not my place to get involved in what is essentially... not my business.
If it was something horrifically illegal, morally incorrect etc, then yes... I would PRIVATELY tell MM.

I highly doubt there are many accounts spattered all over the net that are girls pretending to be men, but the other way around? Masses of them. No idea what kick they get out of it, but it seems be be a thing.

I think people need to realise that humans are not all nice. Take this place for what it is... yes it's a community, but all communities have bad apples. Enjoy the boobies, chat to the nice people and accept that some people are not going to be who their internet persona makes them out to be.

We will be back here again imminently. That is the internet .

Anyway.... I'll get my coat

everything said in these posts are true, and there are a lot of emotions to unpack and heal


it's multifaceted for me. Kelsey Catfish, for what she was, was also my slime therapist. before conversing with her, I was a 20yr or so serial lurker.. too afraid to start a umd account, engage in this community, or find any acceptance or internal peace with myself. She did in the end make me feel seen and not alone, and helped me finally be ok to love what I love, and come out of my shell. so I will very much miss that Kelsey..

but I know on the other hand how much she hurt everyone, so it's a mixed emotion. I feel for you all and hope we can find our peace with this in time

Goodbye Kelsey.

I mean, whether you see it as your business or not, you know of somebody else lying to everyone on the site, so I would say that it's kind of everyone's business. If you don't say something, we're gonna have to go through this whole thing again and I don't think anyone wants that. Surely it's best to just get everything out in the open while we're all on the topic anyway, no? That way we can avoid another massive fallout and just deal with it all at once. Also, how is a fraud deceiving the community not "morally incorrect?"

Oh, Brother.
I'm afraid you have immediately begun to do exactly what I was cautioning about: Making up your mind about somebody and believing you understand them and their capacities and motivations based on the scantest of information obtained from an anonymous forum.
"There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see"

Joe, check out the messy minds section. You can find it under groups. That is the section of the forum for some good mental health talk. I think it would help.

My DMs are open if ya need em

Oh I'm 20/20 baby.

But I'm sorry if my inference about your comment and my attempt to explain the logic of an emotion you said you didn't understand hurt your feelings. "I for one have a little trouble understanding the highly emotional reaction" of your reply so I guess we share some confusion

Not to turn this into a lesson in logic or rhetoric, but your original comment is *not* about making snap judgments. It's about using "caution" with people on the internet, keeping them at "arm's length," and not trusting them to speak or act with kindness/your best interest by assuming they could be "dangerous" (your words). I agree. And I think I'm heeding your caution quite well in my reply. Thanks for making it easy to do so

My "feelings" are not hurt. You're just wrong about one more thing. Why do you imagine I should care what you think?
I don't seek the approval of strangers. You will think what you wish to think, I won't be troubled to wonder why.

Here is a discord you could all do a phone conversation with or set up a moderation team to be guided if the site especially between different time zones https://discord.gg/YJMzZust

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqnaHDdvh5I

I feel badly betrayed on this. She messaged me about 2 years ago and encouraged me to do WAM related art and stories. I deleted my DeviantArt account and she found me again to re-encourage me to come back. I did. I reposted all my old stuff and got quite a few followers.

I'll be back. Going out to burn everything I drew and wrote.

This has certainly been a weird one.

I've been friends with Kelsey since late 2019 I want to say. She messaged me after I had said that the first Human Garbage Disposal was a custom i sponsored.

We messaged back and forth every so often, and she would try to encourage me toward her style of custom which I never went for.

I'd also thrown around the idea of being a producer and she strongly encouraged me along those lines. In fact, the slimedmodels kelsey directed shoots were filmed at my house.

The idea is that I would get to see what was involved in shooting a scene in terms of prep, setup, and cleanup, and meet models to build up a network, and they get use of a space to film in.

Kelsey lives far away, so her boyfriend would do all the actual work.
The process was kind of annoying because the date kept shifting and cancelling and plan wasn't set in stone, but in the end we found a model and everything happened. Her boyfriend and a model came to my house and he was a great guy, we filmed the scenes and that was that. The people physically present were me, him, and the model.

I'm having a hard time believing he's Kelsey.
I'm trying to recall if I ever got a text from kelsey while he was present or some kind of "smoking gun" but I don't think so.

But everything on that shoot seemed good so I don't think it's like tainted or slimedmodels has to like burn the scene with a hazmat suit. The scenes were still directed to "Kelsey's" tastes which seem to be based around some old gameshow.
(I had no interaction with slimedmodels, it was all through Kelsey)

I'm not really sure how I feel about all this. I did chat with Kelsey a lot, but my interactions with her weren't based on thinking she was the person in her picture. Like if she had sent me the same initial message as a male profile our coversation would probably have been the same, so I don't have any feeling of being violated or betrayed.