I'm just going to copy and paste what I've posted to my IG:

KELSEY ROSES IS NOT WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE!! I have evidence to prove that Kelsey is not a real person. In fact, the woman in her profile pictures is someone who isn't even part of the wam scene. What's even more fucked up -- that woman passed away in 2021.

"Kelsey" and I began messaging each other back in 2022, before I even started getting involved in the scene. On multiple occasions, I was invited to do a slime shoot for her. However, Kelsey wasn't going to be there -- only her boyfriend, Todd, was. Everyone I've spoken with has never met Kelsey; but those who have shot for her have met "the guy." There's claims that Kelsey has been slimed in shoots but the pictures presented to make those claims are of a fetish model who confirmed that it was herself and not Kelsey. I believe that the Kelsey accounts are ran by Todd entirely -- your beloved Kelsey Roses is just another creepy dude.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Like I understand if someone has a profile that is meant to project an identity or represent a part of themselves in order to work towards actualization. But this is beyond creepy and manipulative and genuinely worrisome. Like using a deceased person's image is wrong on so many levels and actually inviting women to do shoots based on these false pretenses? This is beyond fucked up.

If Kelsey Rose does not exist, who directed those recent sliming shoots I want to say for Slimed Models. Do they know the truth and are playing along with the persona?

I found this out from Slop Slvt's work on Instagram this morning. I feel betrayed and devastated, but moreover just fucking stupid for being so naive and trusting. I'll need some time to rebrand the scenes that "Kelsey" shot for my site, which we unfortunately communicated entirely through email and Instagram so I just took "her" for her word that she was who she said. I am so sorry that my work and reputation got so tied to someone who I was collaborating with who turned out to be misrepresenting themselves.

Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.

Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG

I had been wanting to bring up my suspicions for awhile, but I didn't have tangible proof. This is sad.

Who directed the scenes you released saying it was Kelsey?

My question now is who was the person who directed the "You Still Can't do That on Television" series that "Kelsey" released on the UMD? Was it the guy posing as her?

So thanks to Slop Slvt for getting to the bottom of this deception. She emailed me privately this morning before posting publicly.

And thanks to SlimedModels for reaching out privately as well to apologize, although he didn't need to as I'm pretty confident he was duped, just like so so SOOOOO many here on the UMD.

I will admit, I had my suspicions about "Kelsey" early on. (The biggest red flag was "her" public support of a known producer whose line-crossing behavior at shoots was exactly the type of thing "Kelsey" called out with other men on this forum, including but not limited to Leon.) However, I didn't have 100% concrete proof. And after so many publicly took "her" side when Kelsey attacked me here, I decided that wasn't a battle worth waging anymore.
But privately, I was a little sickened (but not surprised) that the UMD's resident "Manic Pixie WAM Girl" would be so popular with the men here. I mean, this guy knew what he was doing. He created the perfect male fabrication of what the idealized "female WAMmer" would be.... Right down to her loooong discourses on the perfect slime and discovering "her" fetish through a certain show....

ANYWAY. Don't apologize to me. Apologize to the ACTUAL females here on the UMD who were often sidelined in favor of Kelsey explaining how "female WAMmers think." That's the grossest thing to me here. (Although now that I realize this asshole was also soliciting models by using an avatar of a deceased woman, that's actual MUCH worse.)

Again, all the blame rests on one disturbed individual.... But the environment that allowed a fake female to get WOTD on numerous occasions, or have "her" thoughts and opinions on female WAMmers to be taken more seriously than many ACTUAL females who make and post ACTUAL content here.... Well, that's on all of us, sadly.

My big question has to do with the fact that Kelsey Rose's profile is verified... and brings some big question marks into the checks and balances with that.

It is one thing to have your ID not match the stage name/gender/persona you portray on this site (I want to be SUPER CLEAR that this is not to remotely open a dialog about trans individuals, cross dressing, etc. you are still dressing yourself - the person in the ID - how you liked), but being able to use someone else's images to pretend you are someone else entirely should not be allowed with verified profiles. If multiple people are manning a verified profile - ALL IDS should be need to be filed to be verified ESPECIALLY whomever are the front facing individuals.

So I would like to hear from Mess Master - were you given a fake ID and led to believe that this person was Kelsey? Or did you approve another person's ID entirely?

Also, here's the shot of who I now assume is Todd.... AKA "Kelsey." [PIC removed as this guy is NOT Todd, but rather someone else who assumed he was working for "Kelsey."]

This was the pic I posted in response when the Kelsey account attacked me publicly here, to explain my doubts. "Her" explanation was that it was her "male friend" who helped lift the slime buckets since they were "too heavy for her."

This was also the same thread when she responded with "a picture is worth a thousand words".... and then posted a pic of a random brunette model getting slimed on the same set, which got 69 likes (!!). Because of course, it HAD to be Kelsey (even though it's not the same woman from her avatar), right??? And of course, as Slop Slvt discovered, that pic was stolen too.

Again, this is the environment that allows these creeps to pose as women and get away with it. There are plenty of real women on the UMD posting REAL pics now. Please don't get distracted by every "hot girl" avatar and a few Playboy-Forum-style anecdotes!

This!!!

This is the main point that needs to be addressed. Let's get a moderator or MM to chime in now, please.

This guy has apparently gone as far as writing some pretty long and detailed literotica stories using this name with "Kelsey" as the main character that date to 2022 so this has been a long and dedicated con which just makes it all the more reviling and apparently the account itself dates back to as far as 2018!

The first bad one I remember being the MessyMichelle Chris event and he'd keep doing similar stuff with decreasing success. But I recall "Kelsey" having and instagram, twitter and fetlife, which was drastically more predatory. And yes the intellect of those UMD seems to be below the bell curve when it comes to believing these fake profiles(my favorite being the very obvious sex doll).

I do not plan on staying silent on this issue. I'm waiting for a response from MessMaster before I formulate a response. But I am beyond upset and feel so betrayed.

I do feel that this needs to be put in the other forum pages as some don't check the non wam sections. Minimally the producer one.

THANK YOU!! I brought this up to Messmaster's attention under the Wamchantelle thread a ways back.

This is why I feel that there is a pressing urgency to do better.

To put this into perspective, if you are a model who is possibly entertaining the idea of collaborating with another "model" except she isn't who she claims to be (or worse!), that is a severe safety issue

To play devil's advocate for a small minute with this. There is nothing that says that the picture in your avatar has to be you. There is a chance the ID that was sent was not the person in the avatar picture. However, if they kept the ID for the model and then sent that in to be verified, that is in the identity theft area and should be turned over to authorities. There is nothing that says the person has to be the gender identity in their profile. There is nothing that says the avatar photo has to match the ID.

All verified means is that the person using the alias is a real person and their ID is on an encrypted non internet stored drive. I think that is something people forget. I would assume a legal name would be required on the back end to set up a store etc.

It is absolutely fucked up using pictures of a deceased person claiming to be you. There are free tools on the internet that can be used to do a reverse image search. Some of the tools out there are not free and can give all kinds of results. I think using these tools before you do business with someone is not a bad idea.

"Toilet stuff"?

Da fuq.

But this still presents a loophole for unscrupulous people to be deceptive. This isn't something as simple as using someone else's BJs wholesale card or Netflix account. When we discuss the safety and conduct of people on a fetish forum where commerce takes place, you are rolling the dice when you permit openings for people to abuse the system. This is the second major instance of deceptive behavior by a model/producer in this community in under a 6 month period. I think it is safe to say that the way things are being operated isn't working and it's time for something new.

Yeah unfortunately if anyone happens to read the stories (which I have before ever knowing this out of curiosity as a follower of "Kelsey's" work) they include things that are not TOS safe here like bodily fluids and if I'm not mistaken one basically involves oral sex in promise of game answers only to be deceived after the act which is probably the only thing keeping the stories off this person's UMD page. Like WAM and sex together is fine when it's consensual but literally putting in the story how not into the woman is makes it even creepier. I don't even think I could share screenshots if I wanted to because of the violations but it's there under "You Wouldn't Do That On TV" with some of the worst stuff being in chapter 4 (putting that out there in case the UMD admins need more evidence). If he had tried to post that here, he'd have been flagged near instantly.

I have reported another fake profile on here. This was a few weeks ago and the profile is still live despite it being fairly obvious they are not who they say they are and use stolen pictures. The fake female (again not talking trans etc) has been an issue on UMD since day one. Although reading this it seems way worse than others. Also recent posts from creators speaking out about the high proportion of creeps in this kink versus others. The inability to keep normal female members and producers. I think there needs to be a long hard look at the community by the community.

I 100% agree here that the forums demand an explanation. These are very serious allegations, and while I don't think we need to litigate every conflict that arises, the fact that there is strong proof that this person's identity was a gigantic scam AND that the account in question was verified makes me very curious as to the checks and balances in the verification process.

Using a persona online is one thing. Many of us are more (or less) than we claim to be virtually. Doing it to influence others and using another person's info? Sketchy, also likely dangerous legal territory. Doing it as a "verified" account? Bad bad not good.

I am going to give MM a chance to explain, as it's possible the verification process runs through a third party or something, but I definitely have some questions.

People want power, influence, prestige. One of the reasons Messy Jessie isn't here anymore iirc is that fake accounts were inflating the value of that store and misrepresenting their value. To you or me, it would just be easier to play it straight. But scammers gonna scam.

FYI, KR also has a fetlife account: https://fetlife.com/users/6220005 though is seldom active there.

TBH, I got "too good to be true" vibes straight off the bat, but never considered it was (another) predatory male. I should trust my gut more often. I think it's hard to know who is who on here which creates a safety issue for models and meet ups. Unfortunately I have no answer to this issue (bar zoom, public meets first etc), but thought the verification tool would help. I await MM response on that as I am not tech savvy.

Well done and thank you to those involved in outing this person.

I also want to add that I believe there is a special place in hell for anyone who would take the identity of a deceased woman, who never asked to be associated with this community or fetish at all, and sully their memory by dragging them into it postmortem.

If I was that woman's father, I could only imagine the joy that I would have for 5 minutes in a locked room alone with the asshole.

I can't help but wonder if this guy knew or was connected to the deceased somehow which makes using her pictures even worse if it was a friend or ex girlfriend. Because there's several on different sites that all seem to be the same girl. May the woman in the photos rest in peace and hopefully she never had the displeasure of meeting this sicko.

This is devastating. I've been in off-and-on contact with "her" since October 2020, and "she" even edited a video I shot of me sliming a girl back in Feb 2017.

As others have mentioned, "she" has a fetlife profile with pics that date back to June 2016. So it's quite the long con.

If anyone wants to cling to hope of being her being real, here's an exchange with a FSSW (https://twitter.com/obviodette) who got slimed by "Kelsey" in a custom video for me back in October or November of 2020. She didn't mention anything about Kelsey not being real. I feel like that's something she would've mentioned.

I reached out to Odette for further clarification, but in the time since then she got big. I think she was featured in Maxim or some place like that? So I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a response.

The general catfishing is one thing- hazard of the internet. Making it through the verification process and co-producing content with other verified creators is another. I'd just like to add my voice as a member of this community looking forward to a robust explanation and hope that this spurs a review into the effectiveness of the verification process.

The hard work of this small and dedicated team that helps keep the community running will be undermined if our processes of trust become unreliable. Gotta figure it out.

This sort of abhorrent behavior is absolutely disgusting! I already commented on Instagram about this, but I'll reiterate it, I'm honestly not surprised by all of it considering it's happened in the past with other people.

You're right I completely forgot "Kelsey" had a store. I know you need an address and tax information for one of those here. It was a big thing back when that was announced almost a decade ago.

Chris the scammer found ways to circumvent that too though. Through Gia and another model.

All that has to be proven is that the entity running the store and paying the taxes matches the ID that was sent in. If it was a fake ID as has been suggested, then 100% there is a fuck up on the part of admins. To my knowledge there has been no explicit pictures shown of Kelsey and so there was no reason to question about if the owner of the store had the ID of the model. There is nothing saying that the owner of the store has to be the one operating the profile. Just that there is a gray area around co-management.

FWIW I did find the site hosting the obituary and listing information about the memorial service etc. I did do a find a grave search at the cemetery listed and cannot find any graves with a birth and death year that matched. There are a couple of things I can see. The first being that everything stated in the other thread about this is true. Given basic 5 minute searching leads to some fast dead ends which supports the story told. Or the cemetery listed has not updated the information about the grave so it is not listed on a find a grave type site.

MM says that he leaves a lot of things with the site up to the community. I agree that recent revelations calls into question some of the checks and balances that exist or don't exist. I think as a community since we have a say in how things are governed to a point we should be able to have open discussions about how to revamp the process to help seal up these loopholes. At the end of the day this is MM sand box and we are playing in it by choice.