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"Hey guys and ladies too, I'm back"
Love you, too
I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
I won't comment on the disagreement over Ariel's explanation, as I don't know enough about it either way. That said, and taking her account in good faith, I completely understand why she left and why it was sudden. Fine. But that doesn't cover the manner of her departure, which as I recall left a nasty taste.
Then there's Jayce, who was clearly very hurt by the abrupt loss of Ariel's friendship. That may have been sadly inevitable given the situation, but Jayce's comments afterwards did not at all give the impression that it was well-handled. Instead, it seemed like a toxic break-up. Jayce was also clear on the stress and financial loss of having to remove Ariel's scenes at such short notice.
How people are treated matters, and especially in a community like this which is so reliant on trust. That's why I'm afraid I'm not celebrating this comeback yet. Not until some further explanations, and apologies if necessary, are offered as to why this all played out the way it did.
Sorry.
Then there's Jayce, who was clearly very hurt by the abrupt loss of Ariel's friendship. That may have been sadly inevitable given the situation, but Jayce's comments afterwards did not at all give the impression that it was well-handled. Instead, it seemed like a toxic break-up. Jayce was also clear on the stress and financial loss of having to remove Ariel's scenes at such short notice.
How people are treated matters, and especially in a community like this which is so reliant on trust. That's why I'm afraid I'm not celebrating this comeback yet. Not until some further explanations, and apologies if necessary, are offered as to why this all played out the way it did.
Sorry.
protostar8 said:
Can someone verify this? What was posted by Jayce and word of mouth (which matched Jayce's story) was VERY VERY VERY different and didn't involve kids. I'm not airing out what was said, but this sounds like some sympathy story you made up to get back in on people's good sides versus what really went down.
Can someone verify this? What was posted by Jayce and word of mouth (which matched Jayce's story) was VERY VERY VERY different and didn't involve kids. I'm not airing out what was said, but this sounds like some sympathy story you made up to get back in on people's good sides versus what really went down.
I would tend to agree with this.
Something doesn't add up. What I read then doesn't match what I'm reading now. It certainly doesn't match what Jayce put out there, which wasn't a lot, but the tone and tenor of her posts clearly conveyed her unhappiness.
We don't know what is happening behind the scenes, so I'll stay out of it.
I'll tentatively welcome Ariel back, but I would advise those interested in getting customs to proceed with caution.
I feel for the customers who lost money, but really: even if a fetish site isn't conducive to making the best decisions, you've got to make sure you're only sending hundreds of dollars over the internet to people who have their shit together. Just find another model...
matty87 said: With respect to everyone and miss Ariel, only those aggrieved by her have any right to be upset. If you view her actions as dodgy, then it's a simple matter. Don't buy what she is selling. I understand the shock, the frustration and all those emotions welling up in people, however this isn't a public place for tarring and feathering.
Technically it's literally a place for tar and feathering, you can buy videos of that shit.
But seriously this is a forum for opinions, people can say what they want. I don't know how getting out quickly because of these issues (if true and different than what we heard before) somehow keeps anyone from refunding custom money.
Wayne Kerr said: I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
I wanna be messy
Wamchantelle said:
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
Wayne Kerr said: I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
Most likely she's staying quiet b/c she hopes that if Ariel comes back, it opens up all the material she THOUGHT she had a contract for (contracts written by Ariel to protect Jayce...right...until Ariel wanted her stuff gone and the contracts were worthless).
So I can't blame Jayce on this. She knows what really happened and Ariel returning could open up revenue streams for her with old material IF she gets to use it again and that's a big IF.
I collect toys (action figures, etc.)! PM me! :)
Wamchantelle said:
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
Wayne Kerr said: I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
All flesh is equal when gunged.
Enough people got fucked (and not in the good way) that I advise not to take anything at face value.
Take note of MM's note at the bottom of the original post.
Y'all grown ass adults that can come to your own conclusions, but think with you head and wallet, not your genitals.
Genuinely curious if a lawyer said to shut everything down over child sexual assault allegations, why it would be a good idea to come back out of retirement into adult work and risk further legal and possibly other personal issues.
Take note of MM's note at the bottom of the original post.
Y'all grown ass adults that can come to your own conclusions, but think with you head and wallet, not your genitals.
Genuinely curious if a lawyer said to shut everything down over child sexual assault allegations, why it would be a good idea to come back out of retirement into adult work and risk further legal and possibly other personal issues.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
Potatoman-J said:
Genuinely curious if a lawyer said to shut everything down over child sexual assault allegations, why it would be a good idea to come back out of retirement into adult work and risk further legal and possibly other personal issues.
Genuinely curious if a lawyer said to shut everything down over child sexual assault allegations, why it would be a good idea to come back out of retirement into adult work and risk further legal and possibly other personal issues.
I'm starting to think--and this is just me going out on a limb here--that Ariel may not be the best decision maker in the world.
VanillaXSlime said:
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
Wamchantelle said:
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
Wayne Kerr said: I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
I'm not on twitter but knowing how vocal Jayce can be I'm assuming it's going to be a lot of F@@k's and stuff in there and I don't blame her as I imagine Jayce took a big financial hit to herself and as her then friend was almost left holding the can when people who were owed money and customs didn't have a clue where there work and money was probably tried to get answers through Jayce and vented there frustration in her direction too.
Jayce we are here if you need us or you can message me directly if you like hun xxx
I wanna be messy
So does that mean that all of the producers who had content pulled from stores etc will be given permission to add those scenes back again for no further charge, after all they had the rights to sell the scenes before.
In my opinion this should have been done before the "I'm back" post, but as a minimum the status quo from before should be restored before things can approach anywhere near where they were before.
And if old content is monetised on Ariels platform without this happening it will just be laughing in the face of other producers who lost out in a big way.
In my opinion this should have been done before the "I'm back" post, but as a minimum the status quo from before should be restored before things can approach anywhere near where they were before.
And if old content is monetised on Ariels platform without this happening it will just be laughing in the face of other producers who lost out in a big way.
everret said: I'll welcome you back...the moment Jayce does.
Same. I enjoyed Ariel's work and I'm also a fan of Jayce's content, and I don't know all the details in her exit (nor do I really need to know every detail), but I know a lot of people, mostly Jayce, were very hurt financially and personally by the way she handled things on her way out. I only know what Jayce shared on Twitter. I didn't know about people being fleeced out of money for customs, so it's even worse than I thought. Now I have to wonder if she took the money and split with no intentions on ever coming back, but her financial well dried up and now she needs the income this place was providing.
I'll just say from here, if Jayce welcomes you back, then I'll know you're sincere, and I will also. But judging by Twitter, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
TheSpecialist said: I feel for the customers who lost money, but really: even if a fetish site isn't conducive to making the best decisions, you've got to make sure you're only sending hundreds of dollars over the internet to people who have their shit together. Just find another model...
Not entirely sure I agree with this TheSpecialist. Ariel has been around for years and was seemingly well respected for the most part, had delivered probably hundreds of customs over the years - seems to me that maybe she publicly appeared to have her shit together? Which is all the more baffling and wrong she packed up and left as she did, leaving confusion not just for paying customers left in the dark, but also so called friends such as Jayce.
She was one of the queens of WAM for god's sake. Was, being the key word. Hope her and Messy Jessie are happy with their decisions.
Well she can say she's back. But I'm sure not buying her content. She needs to treat people with respect here and in the real world. Plus if she's going to be a producer she needs to re invest and make better quality videos, as far as lighting and the sets go. Look at mostwam and messy girl and a few others their lighting and sets are amazing actually put 100% effort in and re invest to make it the best for their customers.
Also hasn't she done pretty much everything? If she's coming back hire models. Because anything she does I won't be buying.
Communication is key and she fucked that up so she deserves not to be here I think.
Also hasn't she done pretty much everything? If she's coming back hire models. Because anything she does I won't be buying.
Communication is key and she fucked that up so she deserves not to be here I think.
AW2 said:
Just saw that....missed seeing it during the first reading. Shouldn't she lose her green checkmark?
Potatoman-J said:
Take note of MM's note at the bottom of the original post.
Take note of MM's note at the bottom of the original post.
Just saw that....missed seeing it during the first reading. Shouldn't she lose her green checkmark?
The checkmark had to do with an account being verified to post adult content. It has exclusively to do with the credit card companies' newer rules for adult content. Nothing to do with producers or customs.
Note, I'm not a producer let alone one approved for customs but have the checkmark.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
I'm sitting this one out. *Grabs popcorn*.
Having said that, support the producers you love by buying their stuff! Action speak louder than words. I subscribed to Jayce's OF when I heard about the incident a few months ago.
Also, Jayce has uhm... lots of mess to deal with in real life at the moment which is why she's not responding on this thread (go subscribe OF if you must know).
Having said that, support the producers you love by buying their stuff! Action speak louder than words. I subscribed to Jayce's OF when I heard about the incident a few months ago.
Also, Jayce has uhm... lots of mess to deal with in real life at the moment which is why she's not responding on this thread (go subscribe OF if you must know).
wamderlust-123 said:
Not entirely sure I agree with this TheSpecialist. Ariel has been around for years and was seemingly well respected for the most part, had delivered probably hundreds of customs over the years - seems to me that maybe she publicly appeared to have her shit together? Which is all the more baffling and wrong she packed up and left as she did, leaving confusion not just for paying customers left in the dark, but also so called friends such as Jayce.
She was one of the queens of WAM for god's sake. Was, being the key word. Hope her and Messy Jessie are happy with their decisions.
TheSpecialist said: I feel for the customers who lost money, but really: even if a fetish site isn't conducive to making the best decisions, you've got to make sure you're only sending hundreds of dollars over the internet to people who have their shit together. Just find another model...
Not entirely sure I agree with this TheSpecialist. Ariel has been around for years and was seemingly well respected for the most part, had delivered probably hundreds of customs over the years - seems to me that maybe she publicly appeared to have her shit together? Which is all the more baffling and wrong she packed up and left as she did, leaving confusion not just for paying customers left in the dark, but also so called friends such as Jayce.
She was one of the queens of WAM for god's sake. Was, being the key word. Hope her and Messy Jessie are happy with their decisions.
She was a prolific producer of content and an extremely active member of the community. She knew how to make fans here and serve them regularly for longer than just about any WAM model ever. But from what I remember the last few years, her life hasn't been exactly drama-free. If you're paying for store content that you know you're going to get as soon as you hit the "purchase" button, that's one thing. But if I'm trusting someone to hold my money with only the promise of getting me what I asked for, I'm gonna need more personal stability than "Good at e-flirting with horny dudes online."
Funny you mention Messy Jessie, one of the original UMD Celebrities with Serious Personal Problems Who Shouldn't Have Been Trusted with Monopoly Money. Didn't she claim to have some kind of mind-controlling issue in the same breath as asking for custom orders? Honestly, all the model drama has swirled together over the years. Regardless, don't write checks with your dick.
Potatoman-J said:
The checkmark had to do with an account being verified to post adult content. It has exclusively to do with the credit card companies' newer rules for adult content. Nothing to do with producers or customs.
Note, I'm not a producer let alone one approved for customs but have the checkmark.
AW2 said:
Just saw that....missed seeing it during the first reading. Shouldn't she lose her green checkmark?
Potatoman-J said:
Take note of MM's note at the bottom of the original post.
Take note of MM's note at the bottom of the original post.
Just saw that....missed seeing it during the first reading. Shouldn't she lose her green checkmark?
The checkmark had to do with an account being verified to post adult content. It has exclusively to do with the credit card companies' newer rules for adult content. Nothing to do with producers or customs.
Note, I'm not a producer let alone one approved for customs but have the checkmark.
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification!
sloshpuppy said:
I would advise those parties NOT to chime in. It's not in their best interests to do so publicly and doesn't serve the community or them in any beneficial way. This is a private reconciliation with directly impacted parties (if being sought).
For those with pitch forks I urge you to put them down. None of us know what she has gone through personally. Nor do we know what decisions she had to make and frankly it's none of our business. No one is forcing anyone to buy from her store or support her, but let those that do want to support her make that decision without judgement.
I would advise those parties NOT to chime in. It's not in their best interests to do so publicly and doesn't serve the community or them in any beneficial way. This is a private reconciliation with directly impacted parties (if being sought).
For those with pitch forks I urge you to put them down. None of us know what she has gone through personally. Nor do we know what decisions she had to make and frankly it's none of our business. No one is forcing anyone to buy from her store or support her, but let those that do want to support her make that decision without judgement.
It definitely DOES serve the community by preventing even more unsuspecting members from being defrauded by her.
At a minimum, I don't think she should be allowed to re-open a store or accept customs via this site until any legitimate issues with outstanding customs have been settled? Seems only fair, right?
VanillaXSlime said:
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
Wamchantelle said:
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
Wayne Kerr said: I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
If I had £1 for everytime Jayce swore about this situation, I'd probably recoup the money that Ariel stole.
Taiko said:
If I had £1 for everytime Jayce swore about this situation, I'd probably recoup the money that Ariel stole.
VanillaXSlime said:
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
Wamchantelle said:
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
Wayne Kerr said: I think a lot of us are curious on Jayce's feeling and reaction here. She was the one most impacted and I think a lot of us side with her. I'm not entirely sure what kind of response you were expecting but you burned a lot of bridges. But in all fairness, you can do whatever you want to do. Come and go as you please. But we also have the choice to purchase or support you.
At the moment Jayce hasn't made a comment but the fact she has read and liked my posts on the subject mean she has clearly seen what is going on and the comments being made.
She has made comments about it on Twitter. She's not happy, I'll say that much.
If I had £1 for everytime Jayce swore about this situation, I'd probably recoup the money that Ariel stole.
Close it down.....it's not gonna get any better than that reply! You win!
TheSpecialist said:
Funny you mention Messy Jessie, one of the original UMD Celebrities with Serious Personal Problems Who Shouldn't Have Been Trusted with Monopoly Money. Didn't she claim to have some kind of mind-controlling issue in the same breath as asking for custom orders? Honestly, all the model drama has swirled together over the years. Regardless, don't write checks with your dick.
Funny you mention Messy Jessie, one of the original UMD Celebrities with Serious Personal Problems Who Shouldn't Have Been Trusted with Monopoly Money. Didn't she claim to have some kind of mind-controlling issue in the same breath as asking for custom orders? Honestly, all the model drama has swirled together over the years. Regardless, don't write checks with your dick.
In fairness, I don't think Jessie ever scammed anyone over a custom, although if anyone knows differently then by all means say. Her issues were more that she wasn't great at picking blokes. Mike, her partner in crime when she got banned in 2018, was probably the worst of them, as was well documented at the time. The consensus from those close to it was that Jessie was complicit in all the dodgy stuff by then, which was a great shame. That's the main reason why I've scarcely looked at any of her scenes since.
I mean there was a reason I mentioned MJ, sort of the whole point. Kind of in the same bracket in my books, and many others I guess.
