The recent thread about who had let the messiest life got me thinking....this forum is predominantly male and I have had countless comments that I'm definitely in the minority when it comes to being a messy fetishist and all the other sub fetishes I have including rainwear, wellies, rubber, pvc.

I only know of a couple of ladies on here literally who have been into wam as a child. I have heard of countless guys who have a similar experience but is the divide so big that I literally only know of a handful on here who are actual female wammers. Have been since they were kids. I think it would be nice to get a little group forum of actual female wammers cause as this can be a very lonely and often tabu subject.....this is not something you can talk with your regular girlfriends at work ect maybe there is a thread already for females I have missed I have done a search and not found what I am looking for so if there is I would love to be forwarded a link.

During these times we take stock of our lives and its important to check in with those girls that might be struggling atm.

Female wammers are God's gift to earth.

You're absolutely right and I love this idea - very much up for it

I've never really felt the need to talk to other women who are wam fetishists but this got me thinking about an important question...did anyone else have that bath time Barbie that came with pink & purple foam back in the 90's? That was the one doll I ever played with and it definitely started my interest in playing with mess things. Playing soccer in the mud is my 2nd earliest wam memory.

We could certainly start a female wammers group but I doubt it would end up being more than 10% women who actually use the group.

I enjoyed reading your post and I am much taken by it.
I have this lurking suspicion, however!
Are female WAM fans just subjected into silence?
Are they convinced that they have to conform to male stereotypes of desirability?
Do they have the same chance to explore their WAM side as men?
I'm not convinced.
We should all be free to be what we want to be.
Society hasn't even begun to accept WAM yet, as alterative sexuality.
Least of all for women.

I will vouch for this. Even here I am constantly deluged by messages from guys that come on WAY too hard. I just want to be left in peace, so I mostly lurk.

Even now by posting I fully expect a wave of unwanted messages...

I really hope that you don't and I wish guys would be a bit more sensitive to women and give the respect they deserve. I will bet they don't act like that in real life towards women

Remember how I said I expected random messages after posting? Two minutes. It took two minutes.

Interesting post. I am one of those few who have been into it for as long as I can remember. It's a bit of a curse if I'm honest! I've never felt comfortable telling a partner about it. That's just the way it is!

If I was a woman on here, I would steer clear of ever posting. It is a cesspool of man-leeches who gravitate to any woman who is a self described Wammer. It's like the unicorn for a lot of us men. We don't see it or believe that it could ever be true. I have never told my spouse or other s/o about it. Nor have I ever leeched onto those women that do share it openly with us. I just silently sit in envy of her significant other. It's shitty what some men act like. I'm not saying I'm any better either but I would hope in a small knit group like this where we always felt like outcasts and have finally found a place to be open, we could treat everyone, especially the women, with some decorum.

And that sucks. While I do understand, I hope those of you that it's happened to can tell the guy he is (ironically) a dick, report him, and stay strong. Female wammers or at least the amount of women that have fun with this fetish may be less rare then we all think.

There are some, perhaps more than we know. Take for instance Isla before she fell into the clutches of Trouso, she would mess up her own hair and post the results on here. Sadly when she 'came out' so to speak those shots disappeared from her profile. (I have a few saved for posterity). The point I am making is that before she went 'commercial' and showed her face, she was happily getting into a mess on her own. Richard naturally enough explained that her selfies were an asset which could help defray the costs of her hobby. He also introduced her (happily) to the 'Trouso experience' of total annihilation, of which we anticipate more in the future.

There is another lady who clearly enjoys the mud of the Essex marshes and has been doing so for donkey's years. Her sets were always for sale but I suspect that only came about after discovering the fun to be had.

So women wammers do exist, but how many and who are they, I guess we will never know..

I think it's really just about the harassment. I use to be on here all the time until I found the wonderful world of private discord servers where I don't have to worry so much about stalkers/harassment because everyone is vetted before joining. IME women tend to be way kinkier than men but for obvious reasons they tend to want to share that stuff with other women, even for girls who are just straight. Also web forums like these are a dying breed, You're not going to attract younger people to a site like this unless they are buying videos, the social aspect is mostly for the older crowd that doesn't want to use more popular platforms.

This....

Maybe there should be a private vetted-only UMD subforum? Would that help?

It's sad that there are so many morons in our ranks that this is actually a fair idea, so the women of the forums can avoid harassment.

I cannot even imaging being female here, without a team to look after emails for you or to help vet the messages you get. As a member of the male persuasion, I know many people here are looking for others that share their fetishes. Unfortunately once they find an attractive women who enjoys getting messy, sharing/selling their vids/pictures, they think it is open session on asking them all sorts of inappropriate questions.

Do you think the check out person at the grocery store, really should look at your 25 tins of cool whip and 25 pie tins and other fixings should just look you n the face and want to know all about your fetish and expect you to tell them all the things they want to know about your personal life? I hope not. Unforgettably for those who want to sell their wares, they have to have some interaction with the ladies they want to buy from. This still doesn't give you license to go into topics beyond the actual sale. Show some class. We have had too many really good lady wammers who left because harassment and yet some jsut can't help themselves. You are the problem my friend.

Respect privacy. You want to PM someone, ask them in a post if it is okay, get permission and then when you do, stay on topic and respect boundaries!! Your parents should have taught you the A, B, Cs of good, polite, social conversations!

Couldn't have said it better myself as someone who lurks on occasion. I'm here to read, maybe the rare comment, but I'm just not interested in anyone online like that. It's not happening.

Edit: and it sucks about forums too because with a couple of more technical things I'm interested in there's such a crazy amount of knowledge that has been posted over the years. All you have to do is search. Groups on Facebook are searchable to a degree if you're a member or it's public, but Discord is so bad with that. It's like we're talking knowledge that was available to everyone and putting it back in closed containers again.

Thank you. Yes to all of this.
Totally could use a girls only group! I think many of us would be here for it.

Also there was a post in this thread about lurking and never posting for fear of a barrage of messages?
*starts timer*

I've been here forever but I mostly lurk, I usually only post if I'm kind of drunk haha. I feel kind of intimidated sometimes. Most of it is my own issues. I get nervous that people will ask for pictures and like besides not wanting my face forever here on the internet...y'all are here looking at models, and I am definitely not a model

I do love the idea of a space to talk to other women. But I don't know how to build it without showing our photos.

You need to reach out to messmaster or one of the new admins on hear Chantelle, they'll be able to help you out.

This makes me sad... I have had a few inboxes from female who have already been harassed on the back of this thread.

Wam for me is a sensory thing which I know when I do it it helps my mental health but on the flip side is the guilt and realisation that its not a "normal" thing to do so then it has a negative effect on my mental health.

I only told one of my partners and that is my husband Rich before that I had met James on here and we had a three year relationship. Apart from telling a psyciatrist when I was ill I have kept this dam secret for over 40 years..

I have no idea if and how a female group would work but it would definitely be a god send to beable to feel like I belong to a group of like minded ladies.

It is very sad indeed that so many women do get harassed with so much shit from guys who seem to think women wammers are solely there so their sexual purposes and disgusting comments. I have seen it on other sites too where women will post photos/videos of their fetish/likes and the comments they get from some guys is inappropriate and downright cruel.

My wife is into spanking as well as getting wet, she loves wearing a pair of those shiny shorts with a rain type jacket and go for a run, especially in the rain and likes to fall in puddles when its quiet enough to do so but she has told me straight up, there is 0 chance of posting photos or video on any website as she too, on websites she likes, witnesses comments to women from men that are just horrible. she doesn't even let me keep photos of that nature, i need to delete them almost straight away.

Women need to be respected much more but those few men who have no respect for women and it is a select few, majority of guys are just great.

I hope you ladies get the support you need!

Hiya, an always been my thing female wammer checking in. I'm not about much for input at the moment but had to raise my hand and say hi. Hope everyone is doing ok xxx

I recently found myself defending 2 female models on this site after I read a Forum which has since been deleted. This was pulled down by the person who put up within a hour of replies. After chatting with Mess Master about the comments in question and during this 30 to 45 min of madness 300 people saw the post as we were writing.

The forum was written by the guy in question after he had sent a private email to the models and found their site here on UMD. He didn't like the response and agued about the price for a fetish video. I won't mention the type fetish or the cost involved. The guy became a member by stealth and the next day wrote the forum. I then saw this and replied and then someone else did as well (only about 10 responses at the time). With in few mins of my reply the 2 female models, in question, replied as well this then became a public nightmare as both myself and the models wrote and replied about the guy over the top of each other. This lasted for about 30 to 45 mins in total. The guy who wrote the original post quickly pulled it down when seeing all the replies. I also checked with Mess Master!

I later received a private email from the models in question with a Thank You!!

Hi, WAM is my thing too , i wasn't introduced to it by a partner either, its not something i've ever shared with anyone outside of here but i really don't think i would be brave enough to tell a partner what i'm into anyway

Having been on here a while now i have also had a few issues with men who go over the top and get nasty in messages, but its always been sorted quickly when needed In the most part, everyone else is cool and i find this a great place to come, forget a bad day and chat with the good friends i have made here

Good luck if you do decide to have some kind of group for other wam loving ladies

Hello everyone, just checking in to say much of the content of this thread resonates with me, as a female mud enthusiast. But, for balance, I must say I've made some super male friends on here, really, really, top guys. I guess the creepy, entitled "sex pests" make more overall noise and get noticed more, but, for me, they're in the minority. Most people are cool! I've also found the admin team to be really supportive and quick to eradicate problematic people.

Me too Lauren, I don't get as many now as I have joint account with hubby of the messages, there are some genuinely lovely guys on here, important to remember that.