I imagine this has been answered several times before but it's always nice to post on UMD and reopen discussions.

My question today relates to what you prefer to see in a messy video in terms of the models interaction with the situation. Do you prefer the humiliation side or do you prefer the model to be enjoying it? Or of course do you prefer something in the middle so maybe it starts with humiliation but they come to enjoy it more and more through the length of the video?

Now I'm aware that everyone has vastly different tastes within our awesome little niche but I'm curious to see it as black & white as it can be made via a poll.

I ask as we have several models shooting with us over the next month and we were contemplating shooting a few more vids with a big emphasis on humiliation.

Anyway thanks for voting in advance we'll try knock a little freebie together as a thank you when we shoot

Jamie, I LOVE humiliation! I think it stems from the old movies and TV programs where mess was a punishment, or to deflate someone's ego or standing.

When someone looks totally defeated and embarrassed, and like "This couldn't possibly get worse....", that just really pushes my buttons! :devil:

I do enjoy seeing ladies enjoying themselves as they get messy, or starting humiliated and then realizing that they actually enjoy it in a decadent way.

But total and utter humiliation is still my favorite! And to have another lady gloating over it just adds to the hotness!

Norman

Thanks Norman, I appreciate the feedback

I will buy pretty much anything if certain models are involved, i definitely have my favourites, & also tend to look more at things like amount/type of substances & application (ie head-dunking, face coverage). But in general i would say i prefer enjoyment to humiliation.

I think this rings true for a lot of people actually. It certainly did when we shot with Naomi K in our infancy. Thanks Buff

Humiliation for me is the whole point of it... If she enjoys it, push me completely down...

For this reason I love multigirl videos, because you are messed, and someone is looking at you...

I voted for enjoyment

This is a tricky one to negotiate, because there are so many possible elements to such a small fetish compared to others which has a huge following and yet only offeres the same boring crap all the time. So why did i choose enjoyment? Because with enjoyment, it all comes down to the model, Tanya Atherton's first messy shoot with you was, in my eyes, legendary, and has never been matched since (actually, if not for just one thing that bugged the hell out of me on her latter videos, i'd have bought all her videos from you - not to worry about that though, because other producers do the same thing which stops me buying the videos - but this i wish not to say in public). Elements about humiliation can be added to enjoyment, so for me, those two cancel each other out, because if you get a model that enjoys getting messy, and can act out the humiliation, you have a near complete package barring the scenario you put them in, be it a gungetank, be it sitting on a plastic chair, they both are effectively the same. So really, i'm an idiot and should have voted the third option really.

Well you'll be unsurprised to hear from me that it's humiliation. Especially in the context of someone clean laughing and gloating at her. I am editing Judge Jessie Pt 2 as I speak, & Jessie's delight, her wide smiles, and laughter at Maria's total humiliation as she is transformed into a beaten, totally trashed, wreck are amazing. For me..a good actress like Jessie reacting in that way, makes a wam humiliation scene 100x hotter

I love your work..every scene I have bought of yours has been great

If you are asking for honest feedback..one quirk of mine is I hate it if the rules of engagement are broken. When I read the scenario for your white dress set-up, I got so excited. I had my wallet out and sailed over to your page to buy all 3 scenes..only to find 'oops..the other 2 girls won't let her get away clean so they trash her too'. This just totally killed it for me I know..I know..minority of one and all that. Maybe I'd better become a producer if I am going to be so picky However that concept..buying all 3 girls a dress..but only one gets to keep it, is totally boss!

The answer to your question though, for me it is all about the humiliation..and for me having one girl stay clean and gloat, just adds to the 'victim's' humiliation and embarrassment.

If you do go the humiliation route I can't wait to see the results.

Thanks Moho



Thanks for the feedback. I'll drop you a PM as would love some more feedback if that's ok.



Thank you too for your feedback that's an interesting take that I actually hadn't considered so very useful to know for future shoots

Somewhere in between for me, but mostly I like it when the women enjoy it. However, I do like it when a model seems somewhat giggly and nervous, and puts out a "what the hell have I gotten myself into" vibe. The model in Slapstickstuff #18 is a perfect example of an ideal reaction for me. If the models aren't smiling (or they're pretending to be outraged), I'm not interested.

Humiliation every time.

I absolutely love the ultra humiliation aspect of it but only if the model is in on it! And much to my own surprise I also discovered that I like it when only one girl gets nailed. The ideal situation for me is the one girl dressed to the nines in what I consider a sexy outfit (which we all know what that is lol) being pied by another girl or bunch of women who are dressed down and just laughing. The unfairness of it just adds to the humiliation.

And then in a subsequent video the tables are reversed - payback!

Seems I am in the minority but to put my view across; I HATE humiliation, It is a complete turn off. For me the model has to smile or laugh. The closest I get to humiliation is the "oh my god, please no eeek!" (Scientific term) reaction, but still smiling/laughing afterwards.

In sessions, I like to be turtured/teased, but never humiliated.

Bullied at school? maybe...

Enjoyment for me, fella...enjoyment for me.

Someone once used the phrase 'consensual humiliation', which sums it up best for me.

You see it in lots of other fetishes, like spanking, BDSM etc. The person is embarrassed, humiliated even, or even degraded. But they do want it, for whatever reason! If someone was finding it really distressing that would be very unpleasant to me, and I think for most of us.

That was why the Noel's House Party set up was so good. There was the 'will they, won't they' aspect, and the person playing for the money gradually losing control of the situation, and then the embarrassment at the end. But it wasn't like the person was devastated, and really needed the paycheck or something.

I voted "somewhere in the middle". Asking to get pied is hot, but so is the play humiliation.

For me it's all about the humiliation factor. I also like the "This couldn't possibly get worse...." type of reaction and the pointing and gloating from the one doing the messing.

Verbal reactions are also an important part of a scene for me. I love it when the "victim" complains about her clothing and hair being ruined etc. I too looked forward to your white dress scene but decided against purchasing it because it lacked the humiliation factor. I would have bought it if I knew there was going to be some good humiliated type reactions like "look what you've done to my new dress!" or "I'm never going to get this stuff out!"

I also enjoy seeing the girl(s) doing the messing relishing their roles and really rubbing/grinding in the mess.

I think the girls and mess you use in your videos is top notch so if you add in the humiliation factor I would certainly be a customer.

And this payback humiliation is what I just received from Reshiel. Her cousin thoroughly enjoyed pieing her and laughing at her and now they were willing to turn the tables which makes the consensual humiliation factor even better!

Thanks to all of you that have inputted since my last comment this has been so helpful and has now shaped the new stuff I'm shooting this week.

Also, love this...

Nails it completely

Can't beat a bit of girl on girl humiliation IMHO.

I went with "somewhere in between" because I think I'm one of the few people who likes both.

I like what I guess is best described as "playful humiliation". I've always loved "gameshow" styled WAM, where there may be a forfeit of some kind if a task isn't completed satisfactorily.

Girls Get Gunged/Glamourgunge's "Guess the mess" scenes, where if the model doesn't get enough right answers (after already being slowly messed up), then she has to face the forfeit of a bucket full of leftover gunge and a few pies.

Splosh used to be very good at mixing the whole "loss of dignity" up with the idea that the girl was secretly enjoying her predicament.


These pretty much sum up my preferred level of "humiliation", anything more forceful and I just lose interest

In between, but leaning towards "loving it".

Note that another poll, posted two days after this one, has thus far yielded almost inverse results:

https://umd.net/forums/virgin-wam-reactions

I read the questions very differently. The other poll seems to be about real life. A virgin wammer and their response to it.

I think that explains the dichotomy. Very very few of us would want someone to actually react badly and not enjoy their wamming in real life.

However in scripted filmed scenes a lot of us love a fantasy scenario where the 'victim' is humiliated.

I would be mortified if any of my first time models hated it when they were wammed..but if they enjoyed it while acting like they were humiliated, embarrassed etc.that's gold!

That's certainly one way to read the other poll, but bear in mind that it actually doesn't specify if it's asking about wam virgins in "real life" or in produced wam videos or both. The second option is very possible since the vast majority of wam models get their first real pieings or slimings on camera, in a video that is then put on sale -- producers even tend to tout this when it is the case.

By specifics in their remarks, some of the respondents on the other thread/poll were clearly thinking about "real life" wamming, while others were obviously thinking about models appearing in their first wam videos. And still others responded in a way that you can't tell how they were interpreting the question.

In any event, I'm right there with you on liking to see playacted humiliation/anger/disgust in a woman who gets messed up, but would hate to think that she really felt any of those things. When acting out this kind of thing, I especially like the 'turnaround' reaction that Norman describes above ... a woman gets pied and is initially angry and/or humiliated, but then comes to realize that it's really not that big a deal, and hey, this is actually pretty fun, downright hilarious, or outright delicious.

This is harder for me to answer than I thought.

I want to flat out say NO HUMILIATION!, but role-playing/acting like it can be fun.

It's like... you want it to be clear they are acting...but you don't want it to be poor.

Does that make any sense? I've been going back and forth with this all night as far as how messed up it is for something often meant to be humilating to be silly harmless fun and sexy in other instances. its really measing with me

Jamie,

Firstly well done on all your videos so far, I've bought a lot of them... especially the "I Scream" ones...

With regards to your poll, I voted for "Humiliation" because I'm a big fan of what I refer to as "Torture WAM"... there's nothing I like to see more than a girl in bondage being stripped naked and covered in cold slime :devil:

I think mungochutney nailed it when he talked about "consensual humiliation"... after all a girl consents to being in the video... but once she's consented to that she should be totally at the mercy of the person gunging her.

I guess it comes from the fact that I grew up watching "Get Your Own Back" & "Noel Edmond's Saturday Roadshow" & "Noel Edmond's House Party", but I always associate gungings with some kind of misfortune / humiliation.

Here's my take -

I love women, I respect women, and to this day I've never been able to nail why my psyche landed this fetish on me (I have tried!). And bear in mind that everything I say here assumes going in the full consent of the model, obviously...

But my god I love it when they look like they don't. When they squirm and resist and look like this is the worst thing ever, it is such a turn on. More if they're vocally opposed to it (Oddly enough, if any type of gagging is introduced, that's an instant turn OFF. As I say, psyche be weird).

I've also never been a fan of self-wam - only a couple of videos like that ever worked for me (thank you Star Nine!) - so if everything is being done to the model, even better.

For reference, if you've seen the video that the sadly late GungeyChris did where Meg is the wannabe model, and they subject her to this one-sided quiz and totally trash her ... BEST. THING. EVER. It helps that Meg, aside from being completely my type, is an A-1 actress. She never ever breaks character in 30 minutes, and it's basically perfect. So if you saw that, that's about my jam.

So basically, if you're doing some more humiliating stuff, yes, my bank account is ready.

I resonate with Piederman's comment...if a girl knows what's coming and starts to giggle (and quiver) nervously as she realizes what's about to happen, this is quite appealing (I think this reaction is natural for many)...and for those who say "playful" humiliation...which is, after all, what slapstick is all about (though it can be made to look worse than it actually is (acting execution)...but consensual, to me, is obvious (unless it's that evil clown from Brazil)...each video being unique, the set up where a snooty or vain female is pied or slimed, then responds with and expression of humiliation, is always the best...the "classic" set up and rection