You're one of the all time best and if you like getting messy half as much as it seems in the videos/pictures, you're going to miss it too much!

Come on! If you love Jayce and her messy ways, reply here and let her know!

Hit the poll below too!

Sure, I WANT her to stay. Unfortunately she has things to worry about in real life; i.e. folks around her who are less understanding of the fetish industry than we are. Only she can figure out how to deal with that, because we can't see what she does.

Agree with this. Yes, of course it would be brilliant if she could stay but she has explained why she's going, it's a very good reason for leaving fetish work behind, and it is entirely her decision.

I'm sure the OP means well with the poll, but with all due respect I'm not sure this is actually helping Jayce at all; I'm sure she's very torn about having to leave and this, albeit well-intentioned idea, could be making it worse for her.

I'm one of the 2 to say no because Jayce wants to go and I respect her wish.

Tell that to Antdx

I agree with everyone else. While I'd love it if Jayce stayed, she has reluctantly made her decision based on things going on in her life.

She has said that she wants to stay. But outside forces are pressuring her to do this to protect her family, and her boyfriend's family.

As Johnny_Yen said, that's a lot more important than a sexual fetish forum!

And as Jinxguy said, it's her decision, and I respect her decision.

Norman

I am sad to say but there must be forces greater than us at work here.


As a side note: I can only imagine what will happen when Ariel calls it quits.

Family and responsibility and all that other shit is a waste o' time.

Stick with the messy fuckin', Jayce!

She's an adult and can make her own decisions. She knows that we love her but let's respect her enough to in turn respect her decisions.

I voted no because this is a dumb poll. Sorry.

Sadly I'm sure that some user who has a lot of Jayce material will probably take the time and make some short compilation clips of her work and put it up on youtube for free. There are many clips like this out there and I'm sure the trend won't end. There will be more WAM models as long as Ant (the bad one, not the one with the hot wife) doesn't run them off.

I wish that she could stay. She has become one of my favorite WAM models since she has hit the scene, but this isn't really her choice. Well, actually it is, but it is a choice between two terrible alternatives and she has chosen the right one. She has a life besides WAM and has to protect that. She has made it clear that it is a difficult choice for her, and she doesn't really want to do it, but you can't always control circumstances.

I hope that circumstances change and that she can return one day. Unless that day does eventually come, however, we have to respect her choice.

Thank you for representing the optimists.

I have clearly missed something. Can someone point me to the forum post where Jayce discussed this? I can't seem to find it...

Calvin, generally people stop doing something when the personal cost outweighs the benefits. I believe Dont_Panic is making the assumption that Jayce is making this decision for reasons we cannot see from our limited perspective.

Every wam producer and every wam model will eventually retire, and often that will mean their material goes with them. If you like someone's work, buy it, buy it as soon as you see it. Because if you put it off for later, chances are it will be gone. The average wam scene costs no more than the price of a few drinks in a bar. And unlike the drinks it's still there to enjoy the next day and every day after. So buy it, buy it as soon as you can.

Wow... I didn't think I would get so much negative bullshit over this poll... I'm not trying to compel her to keep wamming so much as using this poll to say how much she has been appreciated over the years. And, that if she felt like doing alone without Ariel or whatever, the umd community would be there to continue to support/buy her videos.

If there's a stalker and she's done, that's fine. If she doesn't think she can go it alone or she's being bullied by others on umd, that's another thing. I wanted her to know people think she's great at there's still demand... And that she will be missed.

And, I think the poll results so far indicate that!

Calvin - Go to the thread that says, "My Last Messy Video" (by Jayce). But here is a quote from one of her posts in that thread:


(In case anyone else was unaware of the circumstances)

It seems that Jayce's boyfriend's Ex is trying to get custody of his daughter, and she's using Jayce's pics & vids against him.

Norman

I would like Jayce to stay, but there are more important stuff in life over the fetish. She did excellent in wetlook also, her decision.

Sir, please read Norman's comments above.

What a fucked up world we live in where a woman making a living by running a somewhat eclectic business which is not illegal, dangerous, or harmful, is viewed as a bad thing.

For me I would love Jacey to stay, I have loved her material and she has sent messages many times with info and just the show of love for this group, but I know she will never take my views on tarps into consideration. . But she will do what is right for her and her loved ones. I doubt this was an easy situation for her to leave but I remember her fondly and loved her output. I send love and hope all stays well for her

hey yall. thank you so much for your support and starting this thread! yes, it is insanely fucked up the situation bc
a. i am a great mother
b. this woman is NOT
C. CASE. FUCKING. CLOSED.

i am also not doing anything illegal by any means and just doing what i love. here in the bible belt though, it is a coin toss and 50/50 are too high of odds for me to leave this little girls life with us, as a coin toss.
yes, this is hurting me financially bc of
a. this job has allowed me to deal with my son who is unmedicated with raging a.d.d.
b. i live in a town where i have no family and friends who have numerous children of their own and live about 30 mins away, on the other side of town
c. my family does not support me financially and I do not have another job as of right now.
d. asthmatic child as well, hell, he missed this entire week of school....if i would have gotten another job yet, i would have been fired. we were at the doctors office more this week than at home :/
BUT every mother has it hard and gets through it.
i know i will and i know raising these two will (even one that is not mine) will be challenging financially until i can find SOMETHING to work for me BUT, like i said....her mother is honest to God, SCARY.
we have beaten her in the first court case!!!!! thank the lord!!!! and thank all of you who have sent good vibes!!!
we have one more court date to HOPEFULLY drive the nail in the coffin.
i hope this will not be the end of me on umd. especially bc of some idiotic, redneck fucking meth head moron BUT, it may.
i cant stop getting messy. that is just a fact, jack. so, i will continue to be doing that.
i will be keeping up my profile bc i love seeing new people and their stuff. i am a total lurker!!! lol XD i love it!
if there comes a time when i can produce again, i know jilly will have me back with open arms. she is so supportive and i cant thank her enough.
you all have been amazing.
it is just extremely hard to not be making these productions that i watch and i see how hard we worked and how awesome stuff turns out....how beautiful it is....how hilarious we make it... how much FUN WE ARE HAVING. the sex, the mess, the rock and roll....it has really made me down in the dumps, yall. really. so any good vibes will help. even if you are doing something for your "family" it can still hurt like hell.
i am glad i have good people around me to help lift me up. this has been an extremely hard transition.
i am so grateful to all of you. i just cant be grateful enough and i cant stop crying. gosh damnit.
i love you all...

Jayce, congrats on winning the 1st round!

This definitely sounds like a situation that you don't want the little girl around her mother.

Seeing you quit your job (making messy vids) for your BF's little girl, and you're taking care of her, is *he* helping with your bills at all? After all, he and his daughter (and the meth-head mother) are why you are out of work.

I'm not trying to pry, I just care about you and your situation. And I just hope that he's doing his share financially to help you, for helping him.



Norman

If anyone remembers Glammer Wammer or Marlicious (same person) - she had to leave due to a person in the local community making life hell for her. She was fired from a job, threatened, and more, all because someone local saw her on here and decided to be a 'do-gooder' and rid the community of 'trash'. Sadly, she is a wonderful person who was just having a bit of fun here, but that had to come to an end, thanks to a letter-writing 'do gooder'. It was either continue making wam videos, or back down, in order to save face. Unfortunately, in this case, it is very expensive to sue someone for slander or libel, so backing down was the only option.

Sometimes we just have to do what we know we must, even if it means making a huge sacrifice for the greater good.

Unfortunately, it's not slander unless it's false. In the US at least, there is no law that guarantees a right to privacy. If someone wants to protect their identity, they must make a conscious decision not to post photos or videos of themself which could potentially be recognized.

While from our perspective it feels like it's an absolute dick move to publicly out someone's sexual tastes, you have to remember that a large segment of the public views what we do here as unnatural, or as an affront to God. They don't see it as the harmless fun we do. In their eyes, anything that's not "Penis + Vagina = Baby" is something which should be stamped out and punished. That "do-gooder" probably feels like she is doing God's work and that we are the abomination while we view it in the exact opposite way.

It's unpleasant to think about, but the risk of being found is always present for anyone here and must be considered carefully before making the decision to post something publicly.

AB Gamma, you make some very valid points. The letter written to her employer stated she was 'posting photos on a porn site'. I suppose technically you could call the UMD a 'porn site', but it isn't really, and the shoots she did had no nudity. (though they were sexy and suggestive)

We also operate a photography business in a small town, and the word was spread to 'lock up your daughters' because we were accused (not by the police) of shooting child porn. As a matter of fact, we don't even shoot anyone under 18, unless it is a family shoot. There have certainly been both implications and downright falsehoods, but in Canada, such cases must go to the superior court, meaning you have to be very wealthy in order to defend yourself. You also have to 'prove' losses, for example, we'd have to prove wage losses due to her being fired, and that would include somehow proving how long she would have been employed. Their lawyer could easily say she may have not been employed long, based on whatever tricks lawyers use. Bottom line, it's just not worth suing anyone for slander.

It is a risk to make videos of this nature, and sometimes it comes back to haunt you, while other times it doesn't. For whatever reasons, I always believe in respecting those who pull out of making videos, because they must have valid reasons to stop doing something so fun and in some cases profitable.

That's exactly my situation, too, Bobographer. I live in a small town (and it's the biggest town for 25-30 miles in any direction). The town past-time is gossip.

All I'd need is for someone to decide that my employer needed to know about my activities on here, and I'd not only be out of a job, but the whole county would know.

For those who are "out" enough about their shooting or modeling for WAM sites, or just don't give a damn what others think, I applaud you. But it *can* be used against you regarding custody of minors or to deprive one of their livelihood!

Jayce, you have my support in your custody fight for your BF's daughter! I'm sorry that it has come to this!

Norman

Yes it is, and technically is exactly what legality is.

UMD is a porn site. It hosts pornography, sells pornography and advertises pornography, it's business is indeed... pornography - wether literally, technically or philosophically... it's a porn site.

Some of the vendors and contributors may not "technically" make pornography by the dictionary definition... but there's a reason no one can post pictures containing minors either incidentally or as a subject...

That would be because this is a porn site.

All of this is indeed correct, well... for America anyway.

At the foundation of most peoples misery or lack of rights there's always someone thumping some religious fucking tome.

As a women that believes in sexual freedom I find this entire topic infuriating. Prudish society really pisses me off. I want to take a moment to salute people like Pandora Blake fighting the good fight for us who produce ethical and consensual porn. Fetish or just plain BANGaRANG!! It's wrong on so many levels that Jayces interaction and video production on Umd can be used against her. While yes, I do realize, "this is just how it is", shit needs to change. I have a skype meeting next Tuesday with a proffesional journalist and documentary film maker. She is a bad ass from what I can tell. If the meeting goes well I want to hand over my Wamumentary footage and go in on a joint project. This will most certainly be brought up. Not Jayce by name of course, but the overall treatment of women in any adult entertainment business. I've definitely noticed in my USA travels a dramatic change in attitudes depending on my location in relation to the lovely Bible Belt. The fetishists I've met immediately have more shame spewed onto them in that area and small towns. Im not trying to dog religion, but it does make one wonder what is being taught. Self hatred? Shame? Judgment? Ugh!

Anyway, if anyone has any ideas or things they think are an important topics to touch on in this project please message them to me for my notes. If im going to do this I might as well do it right and try to get as many voices heard as I can from our little community here. I realize Im still pretty new, but have made so many friends on Umd I consider it a little piece of home in my travels.

Jayce you know I think the world of you and I really hope you win! You're a fabulous mother and I've seen that first hand. Fingers crossed you can help the other itty bitty out and get her away from that lunatic. Stay messy and I hope you can rejoin us soon!