A few years ago Youtube was a great source for amateur wam videos -- mud wrestling at music festivals or the Kentucky Derby, pig catching contests at county fairs, managers getting pied at Walmart, etc.

Now I almost never find anything like that on YT - I guess because it's been corporatized and overrun with spammers, but I really don't know why exactly.

Have you guys found any other place on the net where this stuff is being posted? Is it on social media now, or Instagram or some other app I can't figure out how to use? (My avatar is Bea Arthur. I don't have a smartphone.) I check Twitter, but I never find much. People have to still be making this content, right? It's not like we've gotten less narcissistic....

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You sure THAT'S what didn't scare them all off from you?

They were all scared off by people posting comments informing of the sexualised nature of the material, and how it could be improved with nudity, wristwatches, white plastic chairs, tins, lack of tins, etc. etc.

Perhaps widen your search range. Here are different phrases that might be worth a go:

messy challenge
whip cream challenge
shaving cream challenge
(any substance) challenge
pie punishment
torta na cara
pastelazo
human sundae
mum in stocks
mom in pillory
pie your teacher
pie an RA

See if any of those float your boat. A longer shot is to try arbitrary names, eg 'Sophie pied' or 'Becky's lost bet

Its a shame that fetish websites have ended up with more sexual images/content and people who send private messages that are purely from a sexual content and not anything to do with the real subject........get messy! My wife enjoys getting geared up then getting covered in gloop, she knows that people get aroused from this but as long as there is no mention of sex in terms of other images on a website or text then she would happily get involved direct with other people who enjoy getting messy but it looks like this will never happen. From a rubber fetish point of view there is one site she does not mind been involved with as it seems to have no reference to anything sexual, just images and discussion about the gear only......again knowing full well everyone involved has a fetish.

I think the likes of dungeonmaster and early splosh mags are true fetish producers.....people getting messy while fully clothed and not porn producers just adding custard!

I wonder how many more non professional woman would get involved knowing they will not get harassed.

we have loads more stuff we considered posting on youtube but we don't want to take the risk of something good getting ruined.

I know it seems strange trying to distance fetish material from sexual material but hopefully some of you get what i mean!

That would be helpful if any of those things gave me wood.

But if you have time to plug in every common female name plus "muddy" please report back with any results!

I think YT's had its golden age. It's become subsumed and corrupted - but sadly not by mud and goo.

(Lots of the early YT WAM yields were a cumulative backlog from the pre YT home video years.)

That's a good point. A few years ago somebody uploaded an amazing cache of (people who looked like adults participating in) high school pudding wrestling matches from the late 80s-early 90s.

So I guess if people are shooting videos now, they're using their phones and uploading them directly to Instagram or something similar? (I'm mildly surprised that hardly anyone in my (non-WAM) Facebook or Twitter feeds seems to bother uploading video to those platforms.) And they're either set to private or not SEO'd in a way that makes them easily findable via Google? Is anyone mining these platforms with any success?

Hey,there is always the good ole Glastonbury Festival, or Redneck Yacht Club, but it does get harder to find.

Not this year I'm afraid, as we've just had a heatwave over here in the UK and so Glastonbury's pretty dry. I certainly haven't spotted much mud while I've been watching the TV coverage this weekend!

The great year for mudlarking, that keeps getting quoted and shown in clip montages whenever "Glastonbury" and "mud" are mentioned and so might have been brilliant for amateur footage, was back in 1997.

Therefore, to all practical purposes, it sadly predated the internet and definitely YT

"how well" often turns up good stuff.

Hello everyone! On Facebook, I have a group called "Wetsuits in mud" -- You Tube got too critical several years ago, but I do have some earlier short clips on there because that was back in "dial-up" days. Now I post on here and also on http://xtube.com I am "hottrodscars" on both YouTube and XTube. Also I still maintain my Yahoo Groups, one of them being http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wetsuits_in_mud I have lots of older material from years ago in that photo section, hundreds of photos and also files section videos. I live in Rockford, Illinois, USA. It's hard to believe I have been a UMD member for 19 years!

hottrod (Lance)

I wonder if the novelty of filming random stuff and putting it on YouTube has partly worn off? People are still going to events but having filmed them in the past now feel "done that, don't need to do it again"? Plus as maxoverdrive and Diver2810 mention, all the over-sexual comments that often get left scaring people off.

Definitely no mud at Glastonbury this year, I've friends who are there and reported that it's been dry as a bone with blazing sunshine for most of it and any rain that did fall happened overnight and didn't lead to any mud. They were wondering what the papers would do now they've been denied their usual "sea of mud" headlines.

I second Maxoverdrive's comments, as I've seen it first-, second-, and third-hand.

I'm sure comment pervs may have had some effect, but probably more in terms of videos vanishing abruptly than not being posted in the first place. Most amateurs are only going to get messy once in their lives, so even if they get the inevitable visit from Antdx, that wouldn't poison the well for the next person, right? And not everyone is going to care about getting perved on anyhow. I think this is a broader trend beyond the wam community.

I think there are a number of things that ruined the "Golden Age" of Youtube Amateur WAM.

First, you got to remember that when Youtube started not everyone and their grandma was on Facebook. If you wanted to share a video with friends or family, it was normal to put it on Youtube. Now those videos have migrated to private Instagram, where it is really hard to find any content unless someone actually tags it #pieintheface.

Second, there are the trolls. This really applies to all of Youtube though. Even videos about cars and cooking will often have comment sections full of racial slurs or political arguments. An attractive college girl knows she will get pervy comments, so why risk posting anything?

Finally, I do think the professionalization of Youtube has made it seem a lot lamer to people in their 20's and 30's. If you search Pie in the Face for the week the first dozen videos are likely to be account desperate for subscribers and advertising.

I think you could be right with Youtube, its no longer the latest big thing. Where people would upload to youtube they can now stream things live to Facebook for their friends without prying eyes. I guess the other issue is the constant comments from people probably frightens people off. We used to put stuff from our hire events on You tube and facebook but we had too many idiots making comments and even posting on our clients Facebook pages.

Last few posts make a lot of sense.

A lot of publications have deep-sixed their comments sections, and the IMDb nuked its entire message board after the (already troll-infested) threads basically all turned into an ocean of Trump spam. I can easily imagine a similar chilling effect playing out on Youtube. (Comments can be disabled, but then, there's no technological need to deal with the hassle now.) The number of wam pervs is small but the broader community of asshats is vast.

I'm on social media but I don't have (or particularly want) a smartphone, so I couldn't really visualize how people are sharing photos and video via Instagram or other apps. I was hoping some of you had made inroads into finding amateur content on those platforms, but I guess not. Not that I need to pilfer people's private videos -- I'm just surprised and bummed that, given how millennials are caricatured as narcissists, their content is becoming less public instead of more.

As the mother of a millennial or almost millennial, depending on whose definition you use, I have been surprised at how tightly they control their social media "personas". They often have a public Instagram (where they can only post (1) very carefully curated image per day) and a separate, private one just for friends. They hate Facebook, cause their grandparents use it heavily. Both Instagram and Facebook are pretty strict about nudity. Millennials prefer to use private SnapChat, and hate Skype (mine prefers Discord). YouTube is a lame, but necessary evil, I'm told. Even so, most of them keep their channels private unless they are looking to monetize it somehow. They argue endlessly on Tumblr and Deviantart, because it's easier to be anonymous on those sites and both have lousy search functions - though I was thinking you might actually have some luck finding what you're looking for on Deviantart.

I don't know if I'm being helpful or not, I'm just trying to say that the millennials are very tech savvy - they grew up with all this stuff that we didn't have at their ages, they are VERY conscious of their public social media brand, while being very private about other aspects of their lives. I think what you have discovered is that it's harder to find anything, because they are much more careful about where/what/how they post.

Maybe you should stop being so dang pervy and just read a book? Ha, just kidding. That was said with love, I hope you know.

I envy you for not having a smartphone. I feel like mine is hardwired into my hand. I've been making the effort to unplug, at least I've been powering it down completely at night the past couple of weeks. Yet, here I am...responding to your post...

Mrs. Bee

Wow, Mrs. Bee, that's a great data dump on the younguns that clears up a lot for this old, at least. SnapChat and Tumblr are the other platforms I was trying to think of. I thought Deviantart was just drawings, but no?

Anyhow, yes, I'm already addicted to internet dopamine hits from my computer(s). I don't need to have access to them everywhere I go. Although if smartphones are responsible for having Mrs. Bee hanging around the UMD all the time, I guess that's one in the plus column for them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/29/apple-iphone-ten-years-old-crippling-addiction

What I believe Mrs Bee is trying to give us is the
classic crotchedy-old grandpa-grandma speech to their yung'uns:

"In MY day, we used to just let it ALL HANG OUT.
Literally - BALLS & BOOBS EVERYWHERE!
Doin' ALL kind of nasty stuff.
And we'd FILM it, too, and post it ALL out on YouTube,
for EVERYBODY to see, and we'd let the comments just FLY
every which darn way.

But, now, you younguns what with all your security & privacy
concerns, & your anonymous fake names & addresses,
are hiding behind paywalls and password-protected
accounts. You bunch of coddled PUSSIES!

We didn't have that feature/do that in our day.
We posted our REAL names giving out our EXACT real
addresses when we posted OUR amateur porn-fetish material."

A topless picture of Bea Arthur is the one thing I took from this thread

Telling Regis about SnapChat is akin to telling a fat man about a $9.99 all-you-can-eat buffet. [shudder]

[deep breath]
Regis, I've also noticed a shift back towards IG now that you can post "stories," which are basically identical to SC, but on the more popular IG platform.

Well I joined it and now it's FapChat

Probably a lot. When I tell non-models about what I do they often get all excited and tell me they would love to be slimed or be covered in chocolate. Since they wouldn't be on UMD they wouldn't have to worry about harassment but most of those chicks don't want to do nudity. I know fully clothed wam does well for some people but not for me. I would lose money hiring a woman for a non-nude shoot.

It seems most people I talk to think wam would be a fun thing to try but they don't want it to be sexual and get creepy dudes harassing them which is impossible on any website.

If you're joining SnapChat to harass women, you're about 6 years behind the curve...