I'm not talking mainstream stuff, so The Great Race and the Battle of the Century are out.

I want to know what you think the best pie fight is that our fetish community has produced.

There are three obvious contenders straight off:
Rob Blaine's 5-girl pie fight.
Rob Blaine's 12-girl pie fight.
Rev Slymeford vs MostWAM restaurant pie fight.

Though, how about the European artist who staged the big formal cake fights with dozens of participants, which someone posted a video of here recently? Not mainstream as in movies or TV but not quite our community either. Where would that fall?

I would go with the Slymsford v Most Wam restaurant one too. Another of my favourites was Most Wam again, it was a pie fight featuring Charlotte (my all time favourite wam model) and Emily as waitresses

Thank you all...to be cited in the first three replies is really touching.

For the benefit of any newbies here, and just because I am old and love a bit of nostalgia, and I know sometimes people like the 'behind the scenes' story, here are some reminisces about the scene.

I still remember that day so clearly.....

I remember getting my trains confused the previous afternoon and having to message Lisa to apologise for my stupidity and explain I would be late.

It was meant to be 10 girls: I wrote it for 10 girls and we cast 10 girls. There was a chef character who got so upset with her pies being misused that she came out of the kitchen to complain ..with inevitable results, Tindra Frost was the third Slymsford model, but she was very unwell on the day and couldn't make it down to the shoot. We tried to bring in an extra Mostwam model..but then 1 existing Mostwam model couldn't make it either...and so we finally accepted we were destined to be stuck at 9...and I had to cut one role...so I cut the chef role...I remember Leon being disappointed as he loved hurling flying pies from off camera and the chef was due to get some of that treatment.

I also remember the incredible kindness of Leon and Lisa. The specific ideas and script may have been mine, but without their amazing suggestion to come and film on their amazing sets, with their amazing pies and seconding some of their models, it could never have happened. It was so generous. A really special occasion that will stay with me all my life. Lisa and Leon are as nice in rl as they seem in their posts...and throughout my career they have given valuable advice freely and supportively. They are amazing. I also remember their wonderful dogs, who broke into my room and ate my packed lunch!

I remember that despite the amazing health and safety precautions, one model had what looked like a fairly hard slip / fall, and I recall her just being the most incredible trooper and refusing all offers to sit out the rest of the shoot, and insisting she wasn't hurt at all. She acted amazingly, delivered fantastically and only when the shoot was finished would she admit it had actually hurt quite a bit.

I remember how great it was working with Mostwam Al too. We co directed and he operated the camera, and then I offline- edited and he did the online edit. He was so helpful and encouraging and nice and supportive at every stage, and ensured the video looked the very best it possibly could.

I clearly remember the day before the shoot, showing Al the amazing reactions of the girl in the car in Laurel and Hardy's The Hoosegow, when the other girl in the car gets pied..and saying 'those are the reactions I want' and then the following day during filming, Al walking round and getting the Mostwam girls to watch the clip on his phone. I had been trying to describe the reactions I wanted..but Al knew a picture was worth a thousand words. Once they saw the clip..everything clicked.

I remember the clean up. It was incredible and when I left to catch a train home several hours after we started cleaning, it was still ongoing!

What amazes me still, when I watch it back, is just how close we got it to my exact vision. I knew my Slymsford models Michelle and Satine 'got' what I was looking for...but all the Moomin girls & especially Lisa, Charlotte and Casey (who really really really got it) quickly clued into my wam style. It's rare I ever get a scene to come out this well.

I still meet Lisa and Leon socially and every time I try and make a point of thanking them. Pride is a sin, I know, but I do feel that as a collaborative effort with so many wonderful people involved, the scene does still stand up really well and I still love it to this day.

I think it was 3 years ago this month that we filmed it...where does the time go? It was the scene I always wanted to make but never thought I would have the sets, pies, throwing arm, or budget to achieve. To have it then come out almost exactly as I wanted was amazing. I said then, and it holds true now, that if I never make another scene, I will always feel I contributed something to the community and achieved something I could be really proud of (sorry..that word again) with the 'Epic 9 Girl Piefight'.

Even 3 years on it still gets the occasional sale from newcomers when they find it on my store

Thanks for distracting me from my boring editing...It was a very special event

Thanks Newt! "The Naughty Pie Fight" with Amy, Justine and Penelope was one of our all time best sellers. We think the classic three stooges style set up works best for a pie fight. Since it was two against one, Amy was able to get in some fantastic duel pie hits on Justine and Penelope, and in turn she received the classic two on one pie sandwich hits from them. Plus the girls don't hold back on the pie hits. All three go from clothed to nude, and at the end, they all get into a hot mutual masturbation scene. So this one had it all.

Another good one was a big pie fight in one of the WSM/Splosh videos from sometime in the 1990s, Nightmare on Gunge Street

I haven't watch it yet but I believe >The MostWam Massive Pie Fight < just looking at the pictures I'm sure it is one of the best piefights ever.

Pievids - Haphazard Hooters, Girldle Circle

MessyGirl - Messy Bed, Titty Bar Bake Sale

Piezone - The Cakeshop

Messyfun - Pie Wedgies and MFV13 Messy Movies-Part 6 (3 girls piefight)

Impossible, I would have to spend a lot of time writing all my favorites.

Not sure what Messy Bed and Girdle Circle are, but the others mentioned are all fantastic choices!

This is one of my favorite scenes ever (and not just b/c Justine shares a name with me lol). I think I remember you saying that the masturbation part at the end was pretty spontaneous and you didn't know if Justine would be into it--and she definitely was. That losing control and just going for it is one of my favorite things in a scene and I loved it here.

How about Pie Heaven? Or Naughty girls?

Naughty Girls:
https://umd.net/videos/naughty-girls

Pie Heaven:
https://umd.net/videos/pie_heaven--trailer

Phil, your work has always been very sophisticated and erotic.

I have always had a soft spot for the Six Characters troupe pie fights when they were done onstage. Even though I only saw snippets, there was something especially kinetic about them. Sadly, I can only find their short film, "Brilliant!" online these days.

Ariel's Pie Shop - I love how Cassandra did a very sexy pie sit towards the end by Messyfun.

Wambabes Ariel and Candle Boxx PussyPie co. skit I had produced. What is not to like with naked, pied ladies doing anal masturbation and asshole winking?

Lenny's Pie Line up. Slow, deliberate peeing and disrobing with pie sitting and a lot of messy pussy!

Anatomic Videos Messy Girl series. If you want a completely full on porn high production with porn models doing squirting, anal etc. They have it. High quality hardcore wam!

Any of the pie vids Phil did with Trixie Daniel!

can i ask a serious question?

i have done pie vids that I created these amazing pies, i swear i love acting out slapstick and we even did lenny's last custom request and i feel like it was incredible! how come the house of mess just does NOT shine when it comes to pies?

they dont sell well in my store either!

I had one i did for moho and it was a bakery scene with all these amazing pies i created. i worked so hard. the slapstick was fun. but nudity. sold like doo doo. then the one we did for lenny.

that one sold OKAY but certainly not the attention i thought it would gain. i feel like the house of mess is just overlooked for pie scenes. idk.....

these above are GREAT though!! all that are on this thread are really great scenes!! i love phils pie scenes! and rev does a really great job with slapstick. why he owns some of muh best!!!

also: from like 2014 ariel and i did a "hard pieing contest" and WHOA! that scene is pie fights upon pie fights and the hardest hits we could do! it was so fun! that one didnt really get any mention either....and im talking the coolest hits....down to nudity and slime endings. we had a chair set up so if we got hit too hard we could fall back into it! we did NOT hold back! amazing splatter and coverage! idk...its totally okay but i would love to know so that when i go to produce pie scenes ever again.....

where i can make up for it! constructive criticism

I've always loved MessyFun's Pie Wedgies. Lots of PG tit-for-tat action to start the scene before the butt pieings, post-wedgie, begin!

For me I love your stuff. From sleepover to cosplay to both schoolgirls and seductive striptease to just name a few these are all amazing. Even the custom you did for me was awesome. Now I'm not talking for me but you and Ariel do a stand up job. Now I know some stuff is not my cup of tea but you have to cater to the masses and I get that. I love seeing clothes get trashed where others don't. I love cake and pie sitting and smashed into their correct targets ( face, ass, tits, crotch) but some just like them to the face. I love pudding and cool whip pies some like only store bought. So I understand your frustration on figuring out what to produce. I know I for sure would purchase more but being that I'm recovering from a failed relationship that left me many of thousands of dollars in debt and since covid really has done damage to my career I have been cutting my pleasures out of my spending.

Well Jayce,

I love your custom you did for me of the bake sale involving you and Ariel. You in the white skirt with pink top and Ariel in the crisp white slacks with yellow top. The chocolate pie messy pie fight is truly one of the best and not just because it was my custom. You guys just did a masterful job of silly and humiliating pie fighting. Bar none my favorite video that I own.

Agreed. This is one of my absolute favorite scenes too! I'd love to see a sequel to this scene where Ariel and Jayce's paths cross again and they both want revenge on the other for messing up their expensive outfits during the previous scene. Make it happen Jayce!

gotta do them as customs, yall! maybe you both can join forces and make it happen! its really hard for me to do my own productions and when I do? I make sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt...that I truly believe I will make back atleast half of what I spent on it.....and with all this going on I have not had that luxury much but here and there....
I know you all understand. Everyone has had such a hard time with this madness! thank you all for the kind words. I just dont know why they dont sell very well. its totally okay. so happy to have customs to do! I just wonder bc I want to do my own pie scenes but I will lose out too much on producing them. Thank you both for your customs they were all a lot of fun to shoot!

I love this one as well

Well the pies you used were too small but also too big at the same time, also they should've been shaving cream pies but also cool whip AND bakery pies too, the actual pie hits were just a little bit too hard but also nowhere near hard enough, and the coverage they made wasn't exactly enough but it WAS quite good

Obviously I'm being sarcastic here, but I think it's kinda been a long running joke that absolutely NOBODY can agree on pies, it has to be ONLY this way, and if its not, then a certain percentage of people won't even bother checking it out, or it could tick 4/5 boxes, but ehh...that 5th one would've really made it that much better

If there was a focus group on what people want to see from pie scenes the data would be the most inconclusive of any focus group in history, I don't think you'll ever get a specific answer or know any better of how to tweak any pie scene you do to get more eyes on it or sales out of it, and I get that you're just trying to put out content that everyone wants to see, but for pie scenes it literally would be easier to get Trump supporters and non Trump supporters to agree on something, and I mean that with zero hyperbole lol

I will note that most (by farl) of the top-rated/favorite pie fights (whether pro TV/Film or wam producer-made) are ones that:

1] Are clothed (skimpy bikinis/underwear is OK, but often with formal attire [another classic element] or just smart/nice clothes)

2] use REAL pies (or real pie ingredients if made custom)...the exception (for 'classic' pie fights) are the 3 Stooges pie fights which (while clothed, of course) used a mixture of edible and non-edible ingredients in order to look better on film)

3[ more than two models or actors (though this may be less important in the context of a classic 'tit-for-tat' pie fight between two models0

...this likely reflects the 'classic' nature of the pie fight (whether in movies or television) which are always clothed, of course, and which most here saw at some point in their youth, sparking the 'fascination' with pies/pie fights.

Now, obviously, there are some folks here who insist upon ANY wam (pie or slime) video ending up with the models being fully to partially nude. That's fine, just remember that the images that triggered our earliest erotic fantasies were NOT nude (at any point)...Thus, no nudity is required for the video to be satisfying and 'worth the price' to the consumer.

It is assumed that the models (female or male) are generally "attractive" (obese, aging, former meth addicts generally won't sell -- but I'm sure there's an audience for that, somewhere). Yes, 'everyone is beautiful in their own way' ('eye of the beholder' etc.)...and many unique-looking models can do well in terms of sales here...but I'm talking about being attractive to a statistical majority of observers (and there IS a Science to beauty/attractiveness).

My favorite pie fights are as follows:

1> MFV13 At the messy movies from Messyfun. The three girls are on top of their game on that one, with nice reactions and hits.

2> Vicky and her subs from Messygirl. Vicky really shines in this one, and her appearance is so delightful with the shiny outfit and such.

3> Superheroines from WAMgirls. The conveyor belt drops pies and cakes so well, and the cosplay is great too.

I do enjoy Ariel and Jayce for getting naughty. Each artist has their own niche of the community, and go with whatever seems best for you. I was really hoping to see Lenny's pie shop pie fight, but it was sadly never meant to be, it seems.