At the risk of starting an international conflict, has anyone noticed that gunge used in American wam videos is different from what's generally used in UK videos?
It seems to be quite a bit thicker and have more color compared to UK videos where it's often a bit too clear and borderline watery for me.
I'm sure there's probably a good reason for that but it's just something I've noticed.
As an island nation we are mandated to add more water to everything to keep ourselves afloat. Without the copious watery gunge, weak beer and tea-drinking the UK as a whole would be an archipelago of only our tallest mountains. We also retain all our urine until our yearly holiday abroad.
But yes, I prefer thick gunge too and flout the laws whenever I can at home.
Americans have trouble getting access to Natrosol; something that is much easier to acquire in the UK. I have a personal Natrosol plug, so, as many of you may have noticed in my films, I go between american style cake batter slime and UK style natrosol a lot of the time. I like them both, but it's terrible when either is too watery or not colourful enough. Most of the time, I am sliming Misses with some blend of the two.
This claim has been floating around for years now, but I've never seen this "thin, watery" gunge which is spoken of. Generally I've seen thicker gunge, usually poured from buckets or bathed in, or thinner slime, more frequently used in gunge tanks because it flows better. The term "slime" is also more US-centric thanks to various 1990s TV shows, the original UK term was "gunk" as on Get Your Own Back, which then became gunge a few years later on.
Can we have some examples of the gunges in question, both the thick and the thin?
Here's what I think of as quite thick and strongly coloured gunge, with Rosemary's wedding dress and Felicity's formal gown getting well bathed in green goo. Where does this gunge fit on the OP's scale?
Do producers in the US use powdered gunge mix or are they using a food based mix, ie. cake mix with high coloring added. ?
I add paint to my powdered gunge to get a solid colour. I also use sponge cake mix which is totally different in coverage aspects. I like both for different reasons. But I dont make it watery and runny !
From what I can tell, American producers either spend a lot to have powder shipped from Messy Supplies, or they use pancake or cake batter. I got sick of the high prices and clumpy results so I started sourcing my own powdered cellulose compound. In fact, I've always wanted to become a US based version of Messy Supplies. Maybe I still should!
UK gunge used to be a lot thicker. I remember the days of Noel's House Party where that gunge was really thick and colourful, and other messy TV shows of that era where the gunge was thicker (Get Your Own Back, Fun House, etc.). I agree it's very watery now. Although online shows like "The Splat Show" and "Gungelads" tend to use the old thicker style gunge. I don't use gunge very often in my messy session, but, when I do, I prefer it thicker so that it covers and stays on better
I was pondering this with Leon Moomin a couple of years ago. The names are the wrong way around. Gunge (methylcellulose/nastrosol etc) would be far better described as 'slime' and Slime (oatmeal, cake batter etc) perhaps better described as 'gunge' (?)
This aside, the biggest irony is that gunge (with all it's translucence and apparent innocuousness) is in my experience actually quite stubborn to clean off (requires a whole lot more water to be rid of the invisible residue)
Ok, let's put some myths to rest. Natrosole is simply a brand name of methyl cellulose, which is a thickening agent that comes in powered form. It has a bunch of different uses, and if you've ever used a lubricant like KY Jelly or drank a milkshake from a fast food restaurant, then you've experienced it.
The UK and US slime you're talking about is all the same thing, but any variation comes from how it's prepared. I've been using to for well over a decade and been on this forum for something like 16 years, and I've yet to see the whole "American slime is thicker than British slime" thing. In fact, I hold a British and an American passport, so I can show you the difference between British slime and American slime below...
Someone completely unfamiliar with my work is welcome to guess which are made in England and which in the UK.
There are some producers here that use thinner gunge, the problem is putting up a picture is insulting to the producer and starts a flame war. Also, as always, some people might prefer it to thick stuff.
The pictures I refer to and think the OP is talking about, has a model gunged in colourful mess but the next pictures are basically wetlook with a slight tinge of colour.
That said we, the UK also has gunge so thick the model can change outfits while it pours. Plus we have Messy world and their plunga which more than makes up for the OPs misgivings.
Newt said: Joking aside, I'm not sure whether the difference between US and UK "Overhead Deposit Material" (ODM) is actually due to availabilty of materials, or preference based on the TV shows we watched growing up. I can think barely think of any UK producers who are making Overhead Deposit scenes that look like these examples:
Oddly, that is too thick for me (as an overhead pouring gunge), but would be perfect as a tank to fall into and emerge from. We all have our preferences, maybe producers take feedback or look at what sells best and it turns out the UK just has a preference for more flowing gunge? I don't know, just a thought.
Alot of replies but in the UK there are like 2 public suppliers of gunge, Which i think supply powder in packages which produce thin gunge unless you get the 'extra thick' which should be considered normal thickness tbh.. Theyre also made with powder paints which you need so much paint to make the gunge not so transparent.
I think the US just use more slime from what i see? and most have there own recipies and mixes.. where as in the uk people just use prebought gunge? i dont know
but do know what you mean about the watery transparent gunge.. i see it alot
noise said: Ok, let's put some myths to rest. Natrosole is simply a brand name of methyl cellulose, which is a thickening agent that comes in powered form. It has a bunch of different uses, and if you've ever used a lubricant like KY Jelly or drank a milkshake from a fast food restaurant, then you've experienced it.
Natrasol is actually Hydroxyethyl Cellulose (HEC) specifically HHR 250. While both it and methyl cellulose can have similar industrial uses the properties are a little different. Methylcellulose tends to absorb a little less water and the end result is a more translucent and thinner gunge. Either can be mixed in a thicker or thinner way though (ish) and the coloring agent used will result in either more or less opaque results. Thick gunge is much easier to make with HEC over MC though.
1MessyGuy said: Alot of replies but in the UK there are like 2 public suppliers of gunge, Which i think supply powder in packages which produce thin gunge unless you get the 'extra thick' which should be considered normal thickness tbh.. Theyre also made with powder paints which you need so much paint to make the gunge not so transparent.
alls i know is I work my little buns off to make some super thick, slimy, sticky gunge/slime. i have used the stuff from messy supplies before and OMFG game changer on how EASY it was to mix!!! the difference is all in how thick you want it but yes it is different than the cake batter/all my other secret ingredients i mix into the slime I make.
i love the messy supplies stuff i have only gotten the regular ass green slime.....made a few 5 gallon buckets. 2 regular consistency and like two that were thicker and i enjoyed the hell out of it! its so simple! but, i love being able to lick my lips with cake batter and since i have worked with it longer, i have a better idea of how to thicken, what i can add to it, la dee dah. they BOTH have their pros and cons i have noticed that uk gunge is mucho harder to get out of the hair than cake batter alone.
its getting the slimy after math out....or it may just be me having super thick and super long hair! its down to my butt!!!
Not to flex, but this whole time I did know that there are dozens of different celluloses and Natrosol is technically HEC. I was just trying to keep the specific cellulose I use as a bit of a secret, because I think it's best! Hint: it's a really fucking long name.
The Fetish Couple said: Not to flex, but this whole time I did know that there are dozens of different celluloses and Natrosol is technically HEC. I was just trying to keep the specific cellulose I use as a bit of a secret, because I think it's best! Hint: it's a really fucking long name.
Why would you keep it a secret? Why not tell people so we can all enjoy it? That would be like me not telling folks how to make my budget gunge tank...by telling folks I got design ideas given to me to improve if/when I make another one. By sharing info eventually we all end up with really good tanks (if we want to make one) and are happy.
Xtra thick is probably good for wammers but I know that messy supplies do not make huge profits from wammers. Its theatres, schools and the creative industries that keep the gunge flowing.
All the lava in the third Star Wars prequel... methyl cellulose
Silver_sea said: As an island nation we are mandated to add more water to everything to keep ourselves afloat. Without the copious watery gunge, weak beer and tea-drinking the UK as a whole would be an archipelago of only our tallest mountains. We also retain all our urine until our yearly holiday abroad.
But yes, I prefer thick gunge too and flout the laws whenever I can at home.
I think all the points about gunge have been addressed but I do feel the need to speak up for British beer! The other night I was drinking a beer called "Skullsplitter" which is over 8% ABV which is brewed on Orkney, my friend sent me a photo of some cans he'd got from Vocation brewery in Yorkshire all of which were over 10% ABV. I don't think you can describe them as "weak". Also I think I am right in saying that "Tactical Nuclear Penguin" brewed by Brewdog at a whopping 32%ABV is the strongest beer in the world. As a country we produce a bigger diversity of beer styles and strengths than anywhere else on the planet!
Silver_sea said: As an island nation we are mandated to add more water to everything to keep ourselves afloat. Without the copious watery gunge, weak beer and tea-drinking the UK as a whole would be an archipelago of only our tallest mountains. We also retain all our urine until our yearly holiday abroad.
But yes, I prefer thick gunge too and flout the laws whenever I can at home.