I understand that AI is in its infancy, and providers such as Bing must force filters on it to ensure no adult content is made.
But I have to say, I am learning that there is no rhyme or reason for the algorithms in their filters.
For example, I was able to generate a picture of a woman covered in chocolate who looks naked, yet when I add the word T-shirt, it gets flagged for 'inappropriate content'.
I can have a woman lay in a pool of ketchup, but not pudding, cream, batter or mustard.
I cannot say 'brown' when describing a color, but can say chocolate. Also I can't say 'black' but can say 'charcoal' and it accepts it.
I'm now on a temporary ban for attempting to test the boundaries a little too much. Perhaps I need to use a different software that has fewer or no restrictions. Any suggestions?
Here are a few more images I generated yesterday.
As many of you know, I'm more of a 'big mess' guy than a 'pie in the face' person, and the photos reflect that.
(Also, check out the six fingers on the right hand of the girl in the tank of pink stuff. Aside from the number, the hand quality is also improving with these AI image makers)
I am sure that to create such a detailed picture you need to be a good prompt engineer! They look beautiful and each of these pictures is breathtaking! Keep experimenting! This looks great
The filters are a real pain, the dog message is basically telling you the image has been generated but fails the image review. Can you imagine what is discarded. Brown is blocked because of scat connotations and is being blocked at the prompt level I think rather than image. The key is to find synonyms to describe what you want. It is possible to still get great pictures with some creative engineering. I was experimenting with gunge tank style pics last night.
messg said: The filters are a real pain, the dog message is basically telling you the image has been generated but fails the image review. Can you imagine what is discarded. Brown is blocked because of scat connotations and is being blocked at the prompt level I think rather than image. The key is to find synonyms to describe what you want. It is possible to still get great pictures with some creative engineering. I was experimenting with gunge tank style pics last night.
Awesome gunge tank photos! Yes, I noticed there is an immediate filter block, and one that happens after the images are created at their end. I found I can replace 'brown' with 'burnt umber' and it usually works. If all else fails I use 'chocolate' and it generally works. (as in 'chocolate colored sludge') Unfortunately, two other words for shades of brown are 'camel' and 'beaver' both likely to be blocked! LOL
Bobographer said: I'm now on a temporary ban for attempting to test the boundaries a little too much. Perhaps I need to use a different software that has fewer or no restrictions. Any suggestions?
I got suspended from Bing for 24 hours. I think it was because I used the word bra, but I have no idea. I really wish it would highlight words that are not allowed before risking getting suspended for it.
People are using stable diffusion to create unlimited and unrestricted content. DALL-E3 seems to be a huge leap ahead stable diffusion right now though, and it seem easier to producer better images.
It is bizarre - for example I get blocked for using "lying down in a fountain" or "relaxing in a fountain", but "lying down relaxing in a fountain" is allowed! At the moment It also blocks "wet maxi dresses" and "wet summer dresses", but specifying Victorian dresses and medieval dresses are OK.
The images are often brilliant quality (except for faces and eyes) when they're produced, but having to play phrasing games to find out what's allowed and what isn't is really tedious.
Just to add to my message above, the blocks that have occurred when I've just been trying to make minor adjustments to my previously accepted prompts resulted initially in a 1 hour ban and now a 24 hour ban (what duration would come next I wonder?). I don't know what aspect of their code of conduct I'm supposed to be contravening, because I'm just trying to generate tasteful WAM images of adult women with no nudity wanted or implied by my prompts. For example, I get blocks simply by not starting my prompts with the number of women that I want to include in the image!
I'm not willing to battle with the irrational blocking algorithm plus the draconian and unexplained punishment system (on top of the process being unusably slow for most of the day), so I'll download and share more images that I have been able to generate once I can get back into my account, and then will stop using Bing Image Creator until such time that it becomes more acceptable to use without all of this undesirable baggage.
The best advice I can give is try and indirectly bring the AI to your thinking. The filters are overbearing but remember that the AI knows how to associate and link words to context. you don't need to describe everything 100%, let the AI do the work. Give it context and other areas of the picture to focus on.
woman in mid 20s dressed for summer, playfully trying to cool off on hot summer day in Paris, relaxing in a water fountain, her hair and dress is drenched with water as she lays back on a step, busy crowds go about their day, long shot,Sigma 35mm f/1.4 lens
Like the others mentioned, I'm also using synonyms and words from other languages to get past Bing's first level of censorship and it will run the image.
But censorship level 2 is the real problem - that's where it analyzed the images it has already created and decides whether to show you all 4 images, or just a few, or withold all of them from you.
That second level can be maddening - I've had some prompts where 99% of the created images were censored.
I wonder if there is a "Cinema Paradiso" cupboard on Bing's servers, where all the censored images kept, and at one point in the future we get to see them all at once
I had a similar experience today, with the first level of censorship. I wanted to write at the end of my text, "she covers herself". It ran into the censor filter. When I tried again, I made a spelling mistake: "sir" instead of "she" and it worked.
It's interesting that sometimes just trying again with exactly the same prompt will create images that have been blocked previously - or the other way round.
That is always going to be the case with the secondary filter. There is a separate AI evaluating the output image. With these images being randomly generated, some will naturally pass and fail.
I find that if I run the exact same prompt multiple times I get less and less images making it through the second stage filter. For example I might get 3 the first time, 2 the second, then 1 a couple of times before they all get blocked even if I run it several more times. It's kind of annoying because when you find something that works you know it's only for a very limited time. Are other people experiencing the same thing?
I'm increasingly finding that the "Create" button in BIC is greyed out for lengthy periods. Are others experiencing this or is it being targeted in some way for those who have a lot of second stage blocks?
Usually in the morning (UK time) the wait time starts off as 30 seconds, but it was 5 minutes this morning.
Microsoft seems to be making it harder for people to use the facility, which is only likely to drive people away if there are problems with using it of one kind or another most of the time.
I don't think there is anything insidious going on. BIC always gets busy when the US come online from approx 12pm onwards (UK) however the weekends have always been busier regardless of time. The number of boosts started at 100, reduced to 25 and now 15. This is MS's game plan of managing load and eventually pushing users towards a paid subscription. Not sure if you are aware but there is also now a soft limit in the number of generations allowed, you can do approx 100 per day before being stopped with an error. This includes filtered Dog attempts. Now.. the problem is.. given how the filters are working at the minute, there is no way I'd pay for subsription. If the paid sub is less restrictive perhaps.
messg said: I don't think there is anything insidious going on. BIC always gets busy when the US come online from approx 12pm onwards (UK) however the weekends have always been busier regardless of time. The number of boosts started at 100, reduced to 25 and now 15. This is MS's game plan of managing load and eventually pushing users towards a paid subscription. Not sure if you are aware but there is also now a soft limit in the number of generations allowed, you can do approx 100 per day before being stopped with an error. This includes filtered Dog attempts. Now.. the problem is.. given how the filters are working at the minute, there is no way I'd pay for subsription. If the paid sub is less restrictive perhaps.
Noted thanks. Have you been experiencing the "Create" button being greyed out for long periods too?
I also experienced the greyed out "Create" button during the last few days. Additionally I sometimes either get a message saying something like "Sorry, we're already working on that problem" or just like "You can't create anything at the moment" without any further info. Sometimes I believe I'm also hitting the mentioned soft limit, is this documented somewhere? I think I can do more than 100 creations per day before running into that.
With those overly strict filters I also don't think I would pay for a subscription. That's too bad as some results and especially the understanding for sceneries and backdrops is WAY better that anything I've ever got from Stable Diffusion. Basically it's the same issue I had with Midjourney - great rendering results but filters making it virtually useless for WAM content.
The "You can't create anything at the moment" message in red is effectively the soft limit on daily generations. It resets after 24hrs hours near enough.
The "Create" button has been greyed out all day for me so far today, so I haven't been able to generate anything. Looks like I'll have to wait until I get my 15 daily boosts allocation this evening...
The novelty of the "working hard to fix the problem, please try again later" message has long since worn off.
Absolutely true, the filter system is super weird. Sometimes I have the hardest time getting an image past review when it's the most innocuous prompt in the world.
At the same time, here are some images of girls with cum on their faces because I used "translucent icing" in the prompt. Is it perfect? Obviously not, but the fact that I was able to slip these through and not "woman with black hair and a tanned complexion in a satin gown" is kind of insane to me.
Mortar said: Absolutely true, the filter system is super weird. Sometimes I have the hardest time getting an image past review when it's the most innocuous prompt in the world.
At the same time, here are some images of girls with cum on their faces because I used "translucent icing" in the prompt. Is it perfect? Obviously not, but the fact that I was able to slip these through and not "woman with black hair and a tanned complexion in a satin gown" is kind of insane to me.
translucent icing lol i tried to use mayo but it didnt look right
ive managed to get bing to make 2 images that i wasnt allowed to upload on here because of nudity. i didnt even ask it too but for one of the images it it gave her no clothes on the bottom half, she was sat to the side so you couldnt quite see anything. bing did that all on its own then it blocks me when i change cake batter to custard
Evans said: I find that if I run the exact same prompt multiple times I get less and less images making it through the second stage filter. For example I might get 3 the first time, 2 the second, then 1 a couple of times before they all get blocked even if I run it several more times. It's kind of annoying because when you find something that works you know it's only for a very limited time. Are other people experiencing the same thing?
Yup. And usually the images are starting to get better, so you don't want it to stop when it does. One thing that I have also noticed may be purely coincidental, but thought it worth mentioning because it works like 90% of the time. If I'm running the same prompts over and over, get through the stages of only 2 images and then 1 image and then image blocked, if I try to create again, I will just keep getting the image block. But if I scroll back a few creations to when I was getting 2 or 3 images with the exact same prompt, and I hit create, I will start getting images again. Some of those images have even been way better than what I was getting before.
I still think Bing Creator is overloaded. What is that saying, "never ascribe to nastiness what is really the result of stupidity?" Something like that.
There are two "no" graphics. Within seconds, I got the both for "in the rain, a cream pie hits the face of a woman in shorts and a halter top"
For the same prompt, I've gotten dog-dog-success-dog-dog-success-success....
I think the second word in "artificial intelligence" is incorrect.
Sleazoid44 said: I still think Bing Creator is overloaded. What is that saying, "never ascribe to nastiness what is really the result of stupidity?" Something like that.
There are two "no" graphics. Within seconds, I got the both for "in the rain, a cream pie hits the face of a woman in shorts and a halter top"
For the same prompt, I've gotten dog-dog-success-dog-dog-success-success....
I think the second word in "artificial intelligence" is incorrect.
As I mentioned in another thread, my feeling is that bans could be due to accumulated content warnings (the more severe of the 2 levels of blocking). I'd urge you to be very careful - my first ban was for an hour, then for a day and now it's been 4 weeks and counting. It could be permanent for all I know.
The worst thing about it is that I wasn't doing anything that contravened the content policy...