So we stopped doing pies on Mostwam a few years ago, we had other sites with pies, such as YCDTOTI and Justpied, so felt very little need to do them.

Have to say you guys in this forum in particular, go on and on about pies, the most feedback always goes usually to pie posts.

So where did we go wrong with our pies, now the obvious difference between our UK pies and the American pies are Cool Whip and Graham cracker crusts, both of which are very much impossible to get here.

But we tried very hard to create the look with what we had, also we tried various methods of throwing the pies with various force and direction, not to mention amounts of pies.

So before I go wasting my time shooting more pie media for mostwam, do I bother?
Can anything we do generate the buzz in this forum that the US stuff does? YCDTOTI was very popular and I may shoot that again one day, but this is about mostwam and pies on mostwam. Perhaps our girls are just to "next door" for you?

We have shoot all the media we need to keep the sites going for another year and have found ourselves with a bit of extra summer on our hands.

Does Mostwam need pies, if it does how the hell should we deliver them?
Or should we think of something else, or even just carry on as we are? Or perhaps a location based Pie download store here on the UMD?

Thoughts??

Please keep up with the pies. I've downloaded quite a few sets from MostWAM. Most of the downloads were pie pics/vids.

One of my faves has been Ali pied in her red dress . Also loved the set with emma pied. I love your models !!!! They are the type I enjoy seeing in WAM situations.

If MostWAM continues to produce pie sets, you can be assured that I will continue to download.

Keep up the good work !!!

Piethro

You're right, Leon; we haven't seen any pies on Mostwam for a while. And I, for one, have missed it!

I loved "JustPied"! Several of your beautiful ladies sitting there, getting destroyed with pies! (especially Megan, several times!) :lovestruck:

But before that, I loved the pie sets you did on MostWam! There's nothing wrong with the pie pics you posted here! I remember most of them, and they are fantastic!

I think you stopped the pies shortly before I stopped lurking, so I never got to comment on them.

As I think you know, I LOVE the "girl-next-door" look. That's why so many of your ladies appeal to me! And your "main" lady is cute, fun and very sexy! I love seeing Lisa get pied, like that pic in the blue pinstripe suit and pink blouse that you posted here.

Yes, there are going to be differences between UK and American pies, mostly due to the availability of ingredients. But I'm not real fussy on my pies. If it looks like a pie, is sticky and messy, and smears well (and "explodes" when thrown) like all the pies that you showed here, I'll love it!

So to answer your question: Does Mostwam need pies? My answer is "ABSOLUTELY!"

To answer your question: "So where did we go wrong with our pies?" I never thought you did! :notworthy:

My tastes: I love pie sandwiches, pie hats, and pie tins (paper or aluminum) stuck to a lady's face! I particularly love pies straight in the face, hair covered in pie, and pied butts!

I remember you used to have the scenario where one of your ladies was walking down the street and someone would just smash a pie in their face, then go on from there. I always thought that was rather unique, and really enjoyed it!

Sorry to ramble so long, but you're discussing my favorite subject - pretty ladies and pies!

Norman

Was it you lot who had that video of the girl crossing the bridge outside the UWE before smashing a pie in her face? I remember that on YouTube and loving it.

I love slime but I have definitely always loved pie more. I think its just the immediacy of it or something - a hot girl just sitting there and then suddenly she gets creamed (literally) and her once dignified demeanor is just taken away. I just think it looks sexier to see a girl dripping with pie on her face.

For me it is was only the lack of story that stopped my interest. Your piefight scenes on YCDTOTI were wonderful & I bought every one

Doesn't have to be a plot like war n peace but just a simple set up, with your great pies & girls, & I'll be in like Flynn again

Not suggesting you should do that for mostwam (it's not the set-up of mostwam) but I would like you to do more of that kind of scenario, as to specifically answer your question to the best of my ability: There's nothing wrong with either your pies or your girls.

I agree with the comment about stories.
Also I prefer it when you vary the outfits more away from formal/office wear.

I also love seeing models in the shoot that are already gunged or soaked from a previous scene. Like your hosts in YCDTOTI.

I would rejoin your sites if things changed this way a little.

Cheers

I felt the only thing you did wrong with your pies was to stop using them! I actually thought you had pretty much the best pies of the British producers. Count me as one of those who love the 'pie ambush' scenario. Overall though, I like pies as one of a number of ingredients in a scene, so pies used as part of a full-on gunging.

Perhaps the answer is to try a few out on Lisa and let us decide....

There's nothing wrong with the Mostwam girls either - the new addition Charlie this week was particularly lovely. The 'girl next door' thing, and the fact we've seen the girls already on Proper Messy etc, does add a certain frisson when some of them graduate to WAM Through You. (There are two regulars in particular I'd love to see do this but I'm pretty sure it would be out of their comfort zone.)

My holy grail at the moment is a pie scene on WAM Through You - it would be great if you could fit another one of these in this summer!

I am very sad to hear that, apparently, your pie videos haven't sold well.

As a pie fan, I found your best pie videos to be among the best produced wam I've ever seen and I hate the idea that you might be abandoning pies for good. I honestly don't think of your models as "girls next door," but rather as a whole perhaps the loveliest and classiest of batch of wam models any producer out there has ever corralled. (Honestly, I generally dislike formal and office wear on models just in general, but your models actually make it sexy. On the other hand, I also LOVED Lisa as the rocker chick getting creamed at the end of the bridge.)

I admit that some of the earlier mostwam pie videos weren't completely satisfying for me, but others like that Lisa on the bridge clip were totally classic. And then you really upped your pie quality game with the JustPied series. Some of those featured by far the best pies I've seen from anyone in the UK -- supremely messy and all edible -- no shaving cream in sight. In fact, they're some of the best pies I've ever seen used in WAM period. And you made sure to thoroughly coat each of your gorgeous models with pie after pie too. I love these videos and have bought the majority of them.

But you released all the videos in the JustPied store in a period of something like a year or so, and then just stopped. I know that's kind of the way you ran most if not all of your "Just..." sites, but I was really hoping you'd come up with another format beyond the quiz thing, and then bring each and every model back for a second round (I know a few made a return visit, but it was only a handful). I would've definitely been buying a lot of those had they happened. I guess you might counter that the first round didn't make enough money to justify a second round...and that's very sad, because they are truly great.

I love the plotting of the YCDTOTI videos I bought, that really adds to the fun, but I have to admit I was somewhat disappointed with the video quality on the ones I got. Maybe I only had really early ones, but the quality of the JustPied videos is just so vastly improved by comparison that it really takes them to another level for me, despite their complete lack of plot. Even the early mostwam videos I have are in better resolution than my YCDTOTI videos.

So anyway, the takeaway message here is: Please don't abandon pies! You do great worth with them! Please give the pie market another chance to right its oversight of your videos in the past.

Yes, please do more pie videos. Your girls are some of the best-looking in WAMdom. I too like the Ali set (picture #1 of your montage). Shell gets hotter each time we see her. Michelle couldn't get any better looking!

My only reservations are that I don't consider some shaving cream or whipped cream on a paper plate to be a pie. I've seen some European pie-wam with cream cakes or torts that was very good, if you can't do an American-style pie.

I buy individual downloads rather than subscribe (everywhere). I like formalwear.

Always loved your pie stuff. Great looking girls & good pies. Two or more girls pieing the hell outta each other with plenty of smooshing in the face will always get me to part with my hard earned ! Would love to see more pie stuff from you guys.

Definitely more pies!! But not "shaving cream" pies... real pies......

How about asking random people in the streets to pie the models? Do you like this idea?

Michelle looks amazing when pied. Also one of my first ever WAM clips was Kirsty getting nailed with pies.

Your pies are the perfect consistency and the way they are delivered is amazing too. I think you probably are getting the drift that PEOPLE LOVE PIES.

You can mix it up a bit with different coloured pies too. Just add food colouring!

Please pie Michelle! Or, have her pie herself. Maybe a bit of both! Either way, I'm buying

I first got into mostwam when I caught a photo of Nicky being pied. As a pie fan I was hooked. I bought the pie vids and then a fair few messy ones too. I then bought membership and all because your pies and models were amazing. I have cancelled my membership a long while ago now as the pies slowed. I then purchased as and when really they appeared. For the record, I love shaving cream pies and paper plates - thanks to growing up with tiswas.
My other fetish being tights / pantyhose, so your pie stuff is perfect for me. My favourites being Nicky, Lisa, Shell & Ali to name but a few, but if the model is pied and in tights, then I'll buy anything.

I think the best answers could come from other producers who can say what sells well and what doesn't. I'm guessing the market is more segmented than Gunge due to the different techniques and set ups you can have. There is of course going to be a slice that are more interested in X-rated content too.

Going back through the Pie videos of yours I've bought I'd say the strengths are:
- The thrown, harder style
- Lighting and clarity with outdoor scenes
- Cute regular girls (realism)
- Probably the best European Pies (I actually like Shaving Cream though)

...maybe there could be some variety in techniques, my personal taste is more slower deliberate pushed pies, but as I said its a segmented market. Maybe Pies are more popular in America, my blog hits are certainly concentrated from there.

I was surprised I'd not bought more from JustPied.com actually, maybe you should plug it more on the UMD or have the odd sale?

Anyways, I think your setup is quite unique, and I'd definitely pay for more Pie content from you, I hope you do! Keep up the great work.

ST

Speaking as a failed pie producer myself (more on me than the model with juggling a pie in one hand and trying to film it with the other) I think your content is some of the best ever produced.
It always seemed fresh and new unlike a lot of stuff offered which could of been from any number of similar producers.
Personally I like just a few pies delivered not a barrage, Four at most, Initial pie to the face followed by a sandwich, Then just one more when the model has got her composure back http://vimeo.com/suwam/failed
Which is what you were doing anyway

- agree with all_
nothing better than "pies" with splatters and great reactions...

Now you see..... pie after pie into the same girls' faces are boring. It's the same with dunktank videos. (Sorry Leon and other producers of this material although the nightclub scenes where "volunteers" are used are slightly better. Once the girl has got wet, there is very little new. That's why I like streetsplash and other Leon and Lisa products. the fountains and river estuary ones where the girls get wetter and muddier slower is of much more interest to me. Now I know judging by remarks some of you thing I'm am as old as Methuselah and probably not worth bothering with, but one of my favourite Lisa sets is when she is rolling around in the gutter on a very busy road on an extremely wet day. That one must have been a spur of the moment thing and the shooting of it very risky. However because it obviously was spontaenous it has credibility and a quality that "set ups" rarely have.

I'd love to see you guys do pies again, both on Most Wam and on Just Pied. I mentioned before that that card game you played on Streetsplash and Propermessy would both be great with pies.

I'm not too picky with how you do pies, as I always liked what was there before, but the pies on Just Pied (in terms of gooeyness/mess) were really terrific, and I'm kind of intrigued by this idea of asking random people to pie the models.

I love the JustPied vids - I have nearly all of them. If I had any criticism it's that:

-sometimes the hits look a bit hard - perhaps there could be a bit of smooshing once in a while;

-there isn't a Shell JustPied;

-Lola was too good with her questions.

(There also needs to be a Jess JustSlimed. Or several.)

For anyone who has not indulged, I can particularly recommend the Lisa and Ali ones to start with.

One idea I thought of was in the Gunge Booth game, instead of buzzers give the girls pies, they have to pie themselves to answer a question. :readit:

I had assumed the fewer pies was that they were less bang for buck, in that it would be quicker to make gunge that would have more impact, than each individual pie. As you were.

Have to agree with Caramba on one point there, whilst I loved Just Pied the hits sounded so hard it could be a little off putting.

I would love to see pies make a comeback into your work.

Either on Multi Girl Shoots on Proper Messy (could have some great pie sandwiches)

Or as someone mentioned a quiz but the girls have to pie themselves instead of buzzing in!!!

Personally for me, can't beat a plain on shaving foam pie on a paper plate!

This has to be my fave pie pic from above (coloured foam I presume) and filmed here in S.Wales!!

Everyone has different opinions but for my two penn'orth great pie vids use female models, lots of smooshing/rubbing in, and definitely a storyline rather than just "random pieing" for the sake of it. I also like to see both the pie-er and pie-ee in the same shot - expressions of glee on the pie-er's face are just as great as expressions of annoyance/humiliation etc on the pie-ee's. On a personal level one thing that really puts me off pie vids is the "hairy man's arm" pie shots - basically a girl sitting in a chair having pies thrown at a her by a disembodied man's arm. Instant put - off. As for the "girl next door" thing - bring it on! I prefer those vids, much more believable.

Hi Leon
You know, I liked those pics and thought they looked good.
I am a sporadic visitor here, so maybe it happened that I missed some of your promo posts. But what I would recommend is not so much in the way of changing your product, but in the way you advertise. When I see the name MOSTWAM, I don't think pies. I think the whole kit and caboodle, and I'm not into gunge or mud at all, so I probably never bothered to check your posts. Besides, not only am I not a regular visitor, I only skim the post titles, generally looking for the words PIE and FACE.
Maybe that's simplistic, but you really have to scream to get my attention, and I bet there are others who are similar.
Best of luck. I will keep an open eye for you.

I've bought a lot of Mostwam's stuff that has caught my eye when browsing the DL store, i have almost all of Michelle's videos, a few of them were mainly pie stuff, but while i adore Michelle, the pies just didn't work. I know why...

I am not a fan of pies, they take away the enjoyment of seeing the facial expressions of the girls getting gunged/slimed with some form of messy substance, also, hate it when a girl has a gorgeous hairstyle and the person doing the pies sweeps the pie over the head of the girl, which takes even more enjoyment out of the video. The throwing of pies is ok, but why do i feel a lack of enjoyment to pie hits? Maybe it's because i worry about the hardness of the hit, some pie hits i've seen are whoppingly hard. It makes me wonder how the girl feels, is she enjoying it? Is she actually feeling a bit of pain when that pie hits her face that hard?

There was one site of yours i saw one video, i could not watch the video after that first throw, it was so hard the backdrop was actually moving, and the thud of the pie hit, i felt sick. I've seen this elsewhere too, so generally i avoid downloading pie videos now unless it's a cute placement in the girls face, with a downward motion to keep her hair as clean and styles as possible, while the cream/custard and crust drips slowly down her face. She wipes the pie off her face and gives her head a gentle shake, making her hair bounce beautifully. Very sexy and watchable, and i only have one video i bought that has that style, just one.

My comments are controversial and probably won't make any sense, but if your asking whether pies should be stopped, i think yes, sorry, in the UK the only alternative to Cool Whip is shaving foam, and while it looks good on video, it is not the same

Just my thoughts there though, and no offense to anyone is intended

I know it sounds kind of weird to say this, but in some ways I actually am turned on by just seeing a cream pie. If I even just do a Google image search for them, I get slightly turned on. My fantasies just turn wild and I just imagine one just going 'splat' into the face of a beautiful blonde or brunette.

The picture of the banana cream pie I just posted just drives me nuts as I just imagine it going splat into a lovely, gorgeous girl's face, so in a weird way a pie in itself is kind of sexy. There is an art to a good pie in the face, and part of that is the right kind of pie. However the best recipient is always the one who shows off their lovely smile through all the thick cream.

OK

We will try to do a couple of days of pie shoots.

We will try to add a tiny bit of story line, don't expect to much though.
We buy a trolly so we can do location shoots more easily.

What we will do though, is sell the results on justpied.com, so as not to force pie fans to join propermessy.

Any good?

Sounds fantastic to me! :lovestruck:

I can't wait to see what you come up with, Leon!

Norman

Loving that there will be a bit of storyline..that is great news!

Loving they will be available on Just pied...more great news


Looking forward to it immensely