So I was curious. What do you think about models looking up towards a mess?

Personally, I just could never understand why it's so popular. It's such an unnatural reaction that it always reminds me that the people I'm watching are models and the reactions are fake. It kind of cheapens the experience.

Look up or look ahead but NEVER look down.

I always thought of it as a "What the hell is that?" type reaction. But a lot of times, the surprise element is poorly done and it's just for coverage. (not complaining, mind you ) I'll admit, it's hard to act surprised when the model is nervous or expecting the mess.

Upon re-reading, I realize I agree with your statements. Wish the acting was less....acty...

I like it when the victim looks up before the gunging when they are all nervous, but not a massive fan of when they look up throughout the gunging and pretending to enjoy it. Personally, I like the humiliation/punishment factor of the victim getting gunged, which is why NHP and other gunge tank moments on TV are the best.

Some producers have done their best for the gungings to be like this, but it frustrates me when a model pretends to enjoy the gunging or worse, is silent throughout it with no recaction whatsoever! This happens quite often.

I am similar to you, I like the looking up and being nervous but hate humiliation. I like the giggling and laughter, more of the silliness rather than enjoyment. The continued looking up with enjoyment is not my thing either.

I am not sure how they could act surprised seeing that it is so staged, but yes, no reaction at all is just weird to me! (I also hate the whole porno 'O' mouth or 'Come to bed eyes' as well, but I am odd)

Each to their own.

Sometimes the gunge will go over the forehead and outwards, which won't cover the face. If the model looks up, the gunge will cover the face and then continue to flow over the head and face and then downwards.

The 'looking up' thing has never mattered to me either. Gunge may or may not cover the face if reactions are 'natural'. Anyway, isn't that what pies in the face are for?

Well, it's not necessarily the coverage of the face that's the problem. It's more the sincerity of the reaction. Most people wouldn't actively look up to allow what is being poured on them to continuously stream across their face.

If you had to give a similar problem for pies, it would be not wiping off the face after a pie, which feels similarly forced. In general, people shouldn't *want* to have mess on their face.

Then again, I get off mostly on the submission of the act and not so much on the actual substance itself. I know there's a segment of WAM that's focused on the tactile experience. I guess that's the group that's being catered to.

Standard pre-shoot instructions for every Splatter Island.

Looking up, knowing the gunge is about to come down, is simply bad theatre It's like the little boy in NORTH BY NORTHWEST to covers his ears before the gunshot is actually heard - ruins the element of surprise. We're not expecting professional-level acting in these videos, but it's always a pleasant surprise when the actors rise abov e simply standing around waiting for something to happen.

Speaking as one who is very much pro-facial sliming, natural or not, allow me to retort. Part of it may be what your early exposure to WAM was - for a generation or so of American young men (including me), that's Nickelodeon/YCDTOTV, where the look-up was encouraged. I agree that an unnatural/forced look up can be problematic, and also agree that the worst possible reaction is no reaction. Producer WAM is supposed to be catering to our fantasies though, and I would imagine most of the hetero men on here would like to date/marry/sex up a woman who enjoys WAM on a sensual or sexual level (however unlikely that may be). So that goes to the models "enjoying" the mess, obviously the humiliation thing is a different spectrum, but I think there's a decent amount of catering to both sides by producers, no?

I appreciate a "natural" reaction, no doubt- some of my favorite clips of all time are TV shows where a facial is seemingly spontaneous (the coconut sauce Wild Animal Games mother, the vain girl NHP turquoise gunging, etc.). However, I don't think the logic quoted above can be taken too far. Not singling you out per se Abgamma, your wording just struck me the most, because I agree most people wouldn't actively look up into a sliming. In fact, I would say the vast majority of people, if some unknown substance started falling on them would simply get of the way or otherwise duck, dodge and avoid the mess. So the very fact that the model stays (relatively) in one place long enough for any messing to occur is already illogical, so any such reaction would at best need a big asterisk next to the word natural.

But, I get that there are two components in place here - reaction/attitude/ and coverage - an ideal scene has both, but the idea of a non-facial sliming just saddens me; maybe it's my WAM upbringing (I still get the occasional twinge when a woman says I Don't Know in just the right cadence) but given that we're already in "unnatural" territory just by a woman getting messy in the first place, if I'm paying for a producer's video, I want the coverage.

Thinking this over reminded me of one of my favorite YSDTIC sets from Swtzrs, posted below - why look up into the slime? I have no objection to Resignation as a "natural" reaction.

I think you more or less hit the nail on the head. You're looking for the type of WAM targeted at people who are in it for the mess. In that case, the face covering is sexual in its own right.

I'm in it for the type of WAM where people submit to it as a punishment. It's kind of a weird place to be, where they should both feel a little disgusted as to how they're being messed up (and how unpleasant it will be to clean up) while at the same time enjoying the loss of control and being a little embarrassed.

If there were a spectrum, I'd imagine it would look something like this:

Woman completely into it. Does it for personal gratification. (Your type of clip)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yMvYrLxRuU

Woman embarrassed, unwilling, but gives in and enjoys the experience. (My type of clip)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh6UzPfrVMU

Woman submits, but hates every moment. (A bit more extreme than I'm comfortable with.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=347qUnNp2pY

So I guess the real question would be, what portion of the community is after the mess and what portion is after the submission/embarrassment?

So that most recent CM clip is a great one... Pies, not slime, so kinda missing the point... But a great one.
That said, she wipes pretty quick. (Although there's still a lot of coverage afterwards.) I might be wrong, but for most pie fans, the big pet peeve is when there's an excellent hit... that is immediately wiped. Is it natural? Yes. But is it frustrating? Yes.
And since it happens far too often in mainstream clips, it makes sense that most producers (including yours truly) encourage the model NOT to wipe... At least not immediately. I feel like that's just a solid business model there.

Looking up for slime? Well, it improves the facial coverage for sure. The neck craned WAY up is distracting though, and pretty unnatural. The producer whispering "Look up! Look up!" during the sliming? Even more so.
[Full disclosure: I recommend that the models only look up AFTER the slime hits, like they realize what's happening and just "accept their fate" as it were. Most of them do it pretty naturally for my purposes. Sometimes I do have to tell them to look up so it's not just a hair-only slime. Yes, I edit my voice out for the final cut.]

That said... If I can write a gag where the model is already looking up (for some vaguely plausible reason), and THEN gets slimed... That's awesome if done right. I swear one of my favorite slimings to this day is the Deana one from SS25... Beautiful coverage, but also this exchange:
D: So how do I get cleaned up?
Rich: Well, I think you know how. Just say the magic word.
D: Finally! SlapstickStuff working for me! [looks up] Water! [Slime hits her in the face.] Arrrrrghhhh!!!

[The "Arrrrrghhhh!!" was unscripted. Someone should find this on YT and post here. I know people pirate it all the time. ]

Agree on the 3 prong idea Ab, though the line on "unwilling" is definitely a fine one (since obviously we don't want literal unwillingness, cause then we're talking assault). Perhaps what you (and I) are going for is reticence? Can't post it here (minors) but one of my top 5 all time tv clips is Rhonda getting 4 slime balloons on Family Challenge (YT - family challenge 2 moms 5 gunge balloons). It's a perfect combo of embarrassment, reluctance, and great coverage (bless the late Ray Combs for going back for 2 more balloons). Tough to capture that feeling in produced Wam though.

Rich, to this day I still think one your best executed slimings (and one I don't think you've attempted to replicate) is Ashley's blue sailor slime in SS29. Like Deanna, she's organically looking up (she's unplugging a clog in a pipe with a broom handle) and the coverage and slightly more forceful pour of the slime was just perfect. It was seemingly exactly what would happen if someone did that in real life (blue color aside).

Agreed. I think that worked REALLY well, and it was the first time I'd tried a gag like that. I think I picked blue as it would stand out more. Today, I would probably go with a chocolate slime instead. (Yeah, it makes it seem like a poop joke, but funnier and more accurate.)

Did you like this SS120 scene with Jen? With the editing I think the "cement" joke really works well. Might not QUITE the right consistency (you'd be surprised how hard it is to make slime look like cement, and you only get one crack at it) but not bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlLu4cbRMzc

Just my 2p's-worth - while it's not a deal-breaker for me if they're NOT looking up, one of my biggest 'kinks' withing my Wam fetish is nose-filling, therefore a model looking up for a sliming usually gets my full attention. Tbh reaction, 'reality' of the situation etc has nothing to do with it for me, although i do understand i seem to be in a minority there!

I think the best way to do a sliming would be to have the actress facing forward to start, and then just drip a bit of slime on her head. Give a moment to feel it and react with confusion, then when she looks up to find the source of the gunge, let her have full stream (like a garbage can of slime completely upturned instantly). She can duck her head or try to move out of the way as would be natural, but because it happened so fast, she's already covered (including her face). Finally, we take at least 10 seconds to watch her shocked and indignant reaction as she's dripping.

After that, I don't see much point in more sliming or pies to her face while she's already messed up, but if we transitioned to another scene wear she's clean and wearing something else, then she'd be ready to get humiliated again.

Not overly fussed, but the victim should react naturally. I cannot stand scenes where someone (usually a guy) demands a model react in a certain way during the scene. Just let the damned thing happen and STFU while it's happening.

IMO, very few models can take slime and react to it as well as Kellie.

This sliming is perfect for me!

Agreed.
But ironically, her slimings go against everything the OP was saying. Kelly is basically the textbook example of "looking up into the sliming."

Different strokes, etc.

Oh I think we've moved past my OP a while ago. Based on the comments above, the basic split is:

1: Looking up - people in it for the actual mess/slapstick style stuff
2: Looking straight/down - people in it for the submissive style stuff

Since I'm a type-2 person, that sliming doesn't particularly appeal to me.