I'm a big fan of a nice, very solid pie hit. I guess it goes back to one of my favorite scenes while growing up, the Mandrell pieing, which even though didn't have a pie tin or plate, was just a very nice solid hit.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about - the key here being to give a nice, forceful hit without risking a nose injury.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/69cmzi8cfrl0r81/Forceful%20pie%20hit.mp4?dl=0

I agree, to me there seems to be levels. Light smearing doesn't do it for me but also nearly taking the models head off is a no-no too!

Your video is a good example, and I could see a little more force before it's too much.

I think this is why I like the thrown pies that break up the best as they have to have some force behind them, but not enough to hurt.

There is a wonderful outtake (I think from Slapstick Stuff?) where for some reason the pie hits and makes huge noise that everyone stops and checks to see if the model was all right, turns out it was no harder than usual and everybody went into a laughing release of tension.

Here are a few of mine, are you referring to something like these?

Yeah it's it's a fine line. I've had models get a bit too aggressive and hit too hard, and that's not what I'm after. But it just drives me nuts when the pie is gently pushed in their face. I mean, let's give just a tad bit of effort.

Yes I like a bit of a forceful pie hit too. Lisa at Most Wan is pretty good at it. The Mandrells were hot at one time, agreed.

100% agree and your example is a good one. Most vids on the market lack those kind of pie hits. Decent impact with a good smearing give off a vibe that does it for me.
Anglefan, Mostwam and pie zone have sort of become my go to these days for that reason alone.

A model of mine once commented on another producer who roped her in for one (and ONLY one!) shoot with him. She said he pied her like "he was angry at me for something." Needless to say, she didn't return.

(She also swore out loud, on camera, when he dropped ice cold slime on her. This is a girl who never once lost her cool with me, but I swear she looked ready to murder that guy.)

Yeah you really cannot hurt them or have them hurt each other. That's a total no-go. But what ends up happening more often than not is the opposite extreme; just a gentle push of the pie into their face. That's always be "meh" for me.

Also more into the embarrassment/humiliation angle of pieing.

Yeah, but I've *only* seen the gentle pushes in two cases: Men in a mainstream setting (gameshow, onair bet, etc) trying to earn "gentleman" points by barely pieing a female.... and a model pieing another model in a 2-girl scene.

In both cases, the "pushing" party is too gentle because they don't have a WAM fetish and thus don't care about a good hit... or even know what constitutes one. (Female models can of course be taught how to do a solid hit, and many veterans are quite good at it, but there's no inherent desire to see the other party get destroyed like there is when you have a fetish.)

I have yet to see a male WAM producer on this forum fail to pie an attractive female with enough force. If anything, a lot of first-time producers seem like they're about to pop from all that pent-up sexual desire and nearly break the model's nose in the process.

Although I'm not a 'pie in the face' fan, I do love when mess is flying, whether from a pie hit or otherwise. Here are a few examples. . .

Rich as a guy that owns well over 1000 individual scenes from many producers yourself included over 20 years of collecting, I see it the opposite. What might be a fine hit for you might not be for others. This is my main thing these days when I'm looking to buy a scene. In my vast collection I feel like I've seen it all including models complaining from hits that didnt look hard at all to models staying completely cool while it looks like she is getting punched in the face with pies. I feel most producers and other models are trying not to go too hard or smear it in after out of respect and safety. I understand that thinking but also know that good pie hits with smearing like the OP used for an example can be done without hurting anyone. It's super common on tv or pie events or youtube vids to have those kind of hits because the person dishing it out is having fun with it and isn't fretting over the things that producers or other models handling pies do.
Thicker softer pies, :models with good attitudes seem to be a good combo for bigger impacts and smearing.
But again, it's still rare to see producers do more than the minimum in order to get coverage and get through the shoot.

Rich as a guy that owns well over 1000 individual scenes from many producers yourself included over 20 years of collecting, I see it the opposite. What might be a fine hit for you might not be for others. This is my main thing these days when I'm looking to buy a scene. In my vast collection I feel like I've seen it all including models complaining from hits that didnt look hard at all to models staying completely cool while it looks like she is getting punched in the face with pies. I feel most producers and other models are trying not to go too hard or smear it in after out of respect and safety. I understand that thinking but also know that good pie hits with smearing like the OP used for an example can be done without hurting anyone. It's super common on tv or pie events or youtube vids to have those kind of hits because the person dishing it out is having fun with it and isn't fretting over the things that producers or other models handling pies do.
Thicker softer pies, :models with good attitudes seem to be a good combo for bigger impacts and smearing.
But again, it's still rare to see producers do more than the minimum in order to get coverage and get through the shoot.

It sounds like you want something WAY more forceful than the average hit.... which would probably best be served by paying for a custom. Because at least the model knows what she's getting into beforehand.

Again, as someone who's worked with a TON of models over more than a decade, I'm just telling you that this is a tough sell even for models with "good attitudes." So anything you can do to make the experience more comfortable them really helps. That's everything from adjusting the temperatures (very easy to get cold doing this) to letting them wipe as needed, to, yes, smashing a pie with less force ESPECIALLY when the model tells you it's too hard. Yes, it IS about respect and safety. Just because there are active producers who feel the need to treat a model's face like a punching bag doesn't mean that's a formula to emulate.

Also, it's "super common" for hard hits to happen on TV? What programs are you watching? The common complaint for ANY mainstream clip.... from the gameshows like Passa ou Repassa, to a female reporter getting pied for charity... is that the hits are beyond gentle. The Mandrell pieing is a trained actor using crust pies that explode on impact (the hit itself isn't actually hard) AND that clip is nearly 40 years old, so not the best example for the current state of mainstream pies.

Yup, it's this one.... I don't have the clip up on YT anymore, but it was just a normal thrown crust pie that for some reason sounded like an explosion when it hit! Which again proves my point.... You don't NEED to do a super hard hit to create that effect. (And also, it's worth it to check on the model just to confirm she wasn't hurt! That's just being a decent human being.)

Agree 100% Love a good firm pie in the face. Nothing like a pretty girl getting nailed with a good pie then smooshed in with relish. Great clip by the way, perfect example

The OPs video was a perfect example. If that's way to hard in your book then so be it.Its not like none of your vids have hits like that, just not every vid. I still own a bunch of your stuff too and dont see you as a weak pie guy....but you can always find ways to do things better.
As far as TV clips go I don't mean that ton of women get pied like that. Women dont get pied as much as guys on shows but guys took the types of hits being discussed tons of times. Most women getting pied on TV stuff was thrown pies.
But a quick example would be YCDTOTV Cosmetics episode where LIsa pies moose and twists it in after. And I never said you need to hit someone too hard to get a good effect but it can look great when a little extra effort is put in....a little flair.
Just my 2cents

I wonder if broken noses are covered in the release. Oh, and to be off-topic, I was watching the new TLC show "my feet are killing me" and that Brad Schaeffer foot/ankle surgeon bears a striking resemblance to Rich minus the muscles of course.

Dude, that vid is great! Is it yours? Do you have more? The best thing here is that the pie'er is into it and mugs for the camera, relishing the humiliation. What is rare is that the pie'er is female! No offense to the fairer sex, but many of them kinda suck at pieing-- they are way to nice about it, letting half the pie remain in the tin and just fall to the floor rather than push and smear, holdnig the pie tin by the edge instead of putting a palm behind it, etc.

100% agree! I need flat palmed, straight to the face, hard pie hits! I've discussed this plenty with my wife, since the last thing I want to do is harm her when she is doing something so sweet for me. The trick we found is real bakery pies. Super thick and very dense pies that absorb alot of the hit and dont require to push all the way to the tin. Let me tell you, I Slam pies in this girl's face and never has she complained, and she would say something if it was too much. Just a tip to all those producers out there, the thicker the pie,the harder you can hit.

Here are a variety from pushed to pelted hard from 6 feet away.

Thrown pies do tend to hurt - cream and pastry feels like cement and rocks - but the trick is keeping them centered and aim for the upper face. 'Seasoned' models also know what to expect! The pie doesn't have to be thrown that hard to look hard and I certainly don't want to hurt anyone.

Off centre hits (because of flinching or mis-hitting) can hurt more but even so it's more shock than anything else and the feeling is quite temporary ("Fuckin' hell, you nearly broke my face")

I'm a fetish producer but for an unrelated fetish so these are two models who work with me often. As I obviously also have a pie fetish I throw in some of these scenes, so these are just for my enjoyment. I posted it purely as an example of what I think this community is lacking.

Everyone is different and there's no wrong way to enjoy this fetish. In fact, the pie community is so split on what they like, it's a primary reason I'd never get into pie producing. I'd make a video that only appeals to a percentage of the community - tough to make a profit.

But I like humiliation - light humiliation. All my pie vids have to be girl/girl or girl/girl/girl. No offense, but a girl sitting in a chair getting pelted in 50 pies, to me, is boring.

For me, one girl has to play the role of the bully. The pie hit needs to have some force, and then rubbing the pie around in their face - also forcefully, adds to the embarrassment. Then the pie-giver has to tease the girl.

I don't need 50 pies. I don't even need 20. I need a good set-up then about 3 solid hits. Anything after that for me is just pure overkill and there's no additional enjoyment on the "15th" hit from the 14th hit. Rubbing all over the hair also does nothing for me.

Maybe what I'll do since I shoot all the time is just make a short scene for you guys just for fun just to give you an idea of what I like.

I think is for certain and it's been discussed her before, is I tip my hat do every WAM producer here.

The mind-numbing level of work that goes into those productions is insane. I can get 4 scenes done in a 2 hour shoot with zero prep and zero clean-up with the shoots I do.

Just the prep alone for a 30 or 50 pie video has to be insane. The clean-up has to be insane, and that's even if everything is covered in plastic.

I know this much - the girls I work with who have done full-on WAM vids before tell me it takes days (plural) to get all that shit out of their hair, sometimes having to wash their hair 5 times. So on the model's end, it's an awful lot to deal with.

(fun fact, they also hate working with real pies - tell me that although they taste really good, they wake up the next day and their hair stinks.)

But I like humiliation - light humiliation. All my pie vids have to be girl/girl or girl/girl/girl. No offense, but a girl sitting in a chair getting pelted in 50 pies, to me, is boring.

For me, one girl has to play the role of the bully. The pie hit needs to have some force, and then rubbing the pie around in their face - also forcefully, adds to the embarrassment. Then the pie-giver has to tease the girl.

I don't need 50 pies. I don't even need 20. I need a good set-up then about 3 solid hits. Anything after that for me is just pure overkill and there's no additional enjoyment on the "15th" hit from the 14th hit. Rubbing all over the hair also does nothing for me.



I read the above and I could swear I was the one who typed it! I couldn't agree more.

And I LOVE Macy Nicole. She is so beautiful and a great actress too.

For me, thrown pies, lots of mess. Only want to see pies go into faces, but do like when the model is topless or completely nude.

I've always enjoyed the work of Pied Pinups for the pie hits, though other producers, like Mr. MG for example, throw an excellent pie as well.

Here are some examples of Pied Pinups pie splats:

Macy is incredible - working with her on Wednesday

It depends on who's holding the pie.

If the woman is pieing herself, yes!

If a woman is pieing another woman, yes.

If it's a guy, no. Guys should just throw them. A well thrown pie could have a forceful (and funny) impact.

Back in the day...I was often worried about how hard or soft to throw or push a pie...this concern/worry was due to my first-ever wam shoot: Tabitha said to me after her shoot was over that "A couple of those pies were thrown pretty hard...one of them kind of hurt." I hadn't even thought of this possibility; her comment kind of upset me, to which she replied that she was surprised that i would be so concerned about hurting her...to which I said, 'Well, it's supposed to be messy and fun...I'm so sorry -- I didn't mean to hurt you." (Seeing my concern, she was cool about it, and assured me she was OK and not mad)...later, shooting Ivy's 'Splash' video, the tag gag was a pushed pie in the face...it was an expensive bakery pie and I wanted it to be a good hit, so I pushed it with what I thought was the appropriate amount of force...but even the moderate force was enough to push her head back and bump the shower wall...to her credit, she did not complain on camera, but afterwards, she told me that it 'hurt' (and I could see she was almost upset/near tears, which shocked me a bit). I apologized to her (sincerely)...and we smoked a peace pipe full of KGB. She was a great model, but also a bit of a 'snowflake'. Those are just two examples; there were other of lesser impact or import. Since I did not do that many shoots, and none too close together in time, I would often forget about this 'pie force' factor and miscalculate the throwing/pushing force...each time I worked with a model (and did a pie gag) -- usually two years apart -- I would find myself re-learning this slapstick lesson all over again (sometimes a good hit, sometimes a weak one). Alas, I never got as consistent with my 'hits' as Moe Howard, or Rich. Practice makes perfect. Here are the two hits that I referenced (Ivy, Tabitha):

LOL, Stoly pied me so hard in one of our videos I thought he broke my nose for a second.

That Tabitha pie video is THE SINGLE GREATEST pie-quality EVER!

sightly echoing slightly above, i dig forceful self pies and (so long as people are comfortable enough with each other) coed or girl on girl forceful stuff but in general a good hit can be guaranteed without breaking someones nose. Long as everyone knows their boundaries though, go for it innit

Like someone else said, the thing I LOVE is when a girl gets NAILED with a thrown pie and NO crust and a reaction of humiliation.

Here is a whole video of what I am talking about!

https://vimeo.com/12900269