Love, love, love them! Stockings with garters and high heels is my favorite look by far! Nice to see that they are still popular.

Here are a few pics from my archives.


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I am glad that your view is expanding because I think it's just as harmful to see "sexy" or "feminine" things as sexist or otherwise degrading to women and to do so is ultimately almost as sexist as forcing them on women. It's saying "Women's things are inferior, so we need them to dress and act more like men." It's saying that women as currently constructed are just defective men and all we need to do is make them more like men and all the issues will go away.

We are different. Not like other species different but we generally do have different wants and likes and express ourselves very differently in a lot of cases. A lot of women really love the girlie stuff--I do because it's a heck of a lot of fun! Give me pink, frills, lace, dresses, skirts, all of it! But not everyone likes that stuff and that's fine. Just don't make the mistake that women don't really enjoy choosing these things or that some oppressive force makes us do it. That has been true in the past and it's sometimes true now, but taking away our choice and saying "That sexy stuff is no good, wear this sweatsuit instead" is ultimately doing the same thing as forcing us to walk around half-naked. In the one situation, we are being forced to define ourselves by our sexuality and in the other, it is being taken from us. It's up to each woman to choose how she wishes to incorporate her sexuality and femininity in her personal expression--and all of these choices are equally valid and no one makes one a better woman in any way.

An anecdote: a friend of mine teaches martial arts and had a young girl as a student who once asked her "I really like putting on a dress after I get done with class. Is that bad?" I felt really bad for that child because she can totally have it both ways--go kick butt and then come home and be a glam girl. She has had trouble seeing that and I think that it's sad she's gotten that message.

Oooh yes - shiny tight leggings or disco pants are most acceptable too!

Interesting question! Me personally I've never worn them because I'm 22 and not 62, but I do remember my grandmother wearing them. Haha! I think that all clothes work well in a wam scene just dependent on what the rest of the outfit looks like!

Yes, agree completely. Learning the importance of intersectionality, and the complex interplay of lots of very different life experiences, has taught me a lot in the years since. I was a bit headstrong as a kid.


That is tragic. As you say, all choices need to be respected and valued, not just the traditionally male ones. And that of course applies to all genders too.

As to Mrs Bee's set:

Hubaba Hubaba Hubaba Boomski!

(obscure Chicago radio reference)

Me personally, LOVE. But I'm a leg guy. Stockings allow the look of a nude leg but hide minor blemishes, create different colors and shine, as well as have a different texture.

So for people attracted to feminine things that have strong visual and tactile cues they just seem to work really well.

That said, they look terrible on me

I think with that, and those fabulous photos, the Beautificent Mrs Bee has elegantly settled this debate once and for all. We don't deserve you, but we have you. I thank you.

Hear hear, I couldn't agree any more with this. I'll try to skirt around politics as much as I can to avoid having to write for the umpteenth time for the internet why liberalism and socialism are not the same thing.

Generally speaking each of us as individuals are a lot more complicated than most people will give credit for. We each have our contradictions and dichotomies. We each have talents and strengths we would like to be acknowledged and appreciated for and we each have had at some point vulnerabilities and insecurities that we hope others would accept but fear they may not. Unfortunately in our desires to connect with people we get bombarded by nonsense expectations from family, friends, political and religious ideologies that make it that much harder to find our way in life.

I find it sad how so many people seem to insist that a woman absolutely crushing it personally and professionally can't also be sexual beings and will condemn a woman for exploring her sexual side. It's not difficult to recognise people are multi-faceted and to be able to respect and appreciate all sides of a woman's personality and being.

As sad as I find the martial arts example you highlight I also can't help but note the irony of it. For even with just a casual reading of Sun Tzu's Art of War not only is both kicking butt and being a glam-girl not only OK but in the realm of conflict it is even preferable. The art of warfare is not about who can bring the greatest force to the fight but being able to use cunning and strategy to be able to succeed when you are inevitably faced with a stronger force than yourself. When you have the superior forces you are expected to win, but so often smaller and smarter forces wind up beating the stronger forces. Now if a foe's misguided expectations leads them to underestimate and be lulled into a false sense of security by a "glam-girl," with martial arts training then not only does she have the martial arts on her side but also the element of surprise as an advantage in much the same way that an old fighter might obfuscate frailty or senility for the tactical advantage of not showing all your cards too early.

Sometimes I wonder if the succession of near perfect super tough women Hollywood has been turfing out recently are doing many women a disservice. Strength is about how you respond to challenges and adversity that life inevitably throws at people, not being completely impervious to it. Presenting an ideal as never being phased by anything I'd expect to create insecurities for people aspire to live up to an unrealistic standard. It communicates that there is only one way to succeed which might not be a style that personal resonates with you and that usually the message is success through being a superior force which in itself is so flawed and incorrect that the very same military philosophy that leads to military failures such as failing to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban in 20 years and Vietnam.

But hell if those sorts of characters are what people want, like and keeps them happy then I'm not going to dictate my own expectation of what people should and shouldn't enjoy. There's enough people in the world already doing that in so many areas of life. I'm not going to bore people with the sort of thing I would personally write as characters instead but I sure people can figure out from my username as theStickyTrickster I favour finding unique personal styles, challenging expectations and wisdom over brawn for people to do the math

But anyway before I went off on a tangent this was all about stockings so I better return it to that topic


Don't think the title can be blamed for the positive skew of results though as from the title of love and hate I'd expect it to attract each extremes equally whereas moderate responses might not as bothered. Though to be fair I think the options possibly also play a role, whilst I like stockings (certainly much more than tights for example, I can see why some like filling tights but I prefer such filling to go straight in the knickers AND because when mess packed into the tights eventually make its way down to the ankle area in tights I'm instantly reminded of my grandmother's swollen ankles in tights that just kills the mood) I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say it is the sexiest thing a woman can wear (if I had to pick for some odd reason I think my favourite thing is a basque or corset though I have no idea why as I hardly ever saw one in real life or any adult material growing up excuse me whilst I like some pictures in this thread) BUT in the absence of an option between that and "something else" I would have to go with the "Love them option."

But yeah with my weird tights issue whilst I prefer stockings and suspenders to none, I prefer no hosiery at all to tights.

Yes Mrs. Bee!!! You were already a legend but now you're also a legendary goddess.

And....these two. Imagine the bitch fight ends up with them falling, fully clothed into a deep mud bath. Mmmmm

Not that bothered either way, they can be sexy especially if filled or messy, but ultimately my preference is barefoot at the end of the shoot.

There was a shoot with Maude in a business suit, with black tights and custard, that would have been perfect with black opaque stockings, the length of the skirt kept it to the imagination, they could be sensible black opaque tights, or stockings underneath. I think anticipation is one of the key aspects of wam, alongside reactions, and poses afterwards, Maude is awesome
I think stockings are so rare nowadays that even a good pair of tights can be exciting, they enhance the look of legs, and have the advantage of being able to be filled

I love the stockings and hold ups there's a certain classic style that I love.

St Trinian's food fight scene sounds very interesting, as long as it's not filmed in black and white lol!

Personally, I'm not really a fan of stockings & suspenders (although they are infinitely preferable to white socks & trainers!!!) as they cover up the girl's feet... My personal preference is for beautifully pedicured feet, either bare or wearing very strappy high-heeled sandals (toenail polish matching fingernail polish for extra bonus marks!)

I like hyper-femininity. I love lingerie in all its forms - stockings and suspenders included. I also like getting messy. The two don't have a particularly strong connection in my head - neither influences the other - but I feel both attractive and happy in both scenarios, so I have absolutely no qualms about getting messy wearing them either!

Well with three hours to go, this has certainly been an interesting poll to run, with some great responses and analysis - huge thanks to everyone who contributed, and/or voted.

At time of writing it's 143 "love", 31 "other", and 16 "kill it with fire", for 190 votes overall. If anyone wants to fire in a few more votes before the poll closes feel free, every vote counts.

In terms of our own productions, we're not about to pivot to being an all-stockings-and-suspenders outfit, I've always said WAM works best when you shoot your own passion rather than trying to chase the market, but we almost certainly will do a scene or two using them, will be interesting to do and see what the results are like.

As a cross-dresser, for me stockings and suspenders are quintessentially feminine garments, so I love them. However, I recognize that many cross-dressers have a 'retro view' on life and are hardly the most appropriate people to comment on modern feminist views what is appropriate to wear!

Having said that, we are here because we all share a love for the wet and messy. As others have already commented on this thread, tights and pantyhose have a role to play because of the way they can hold quantities of grunge, slowly stretching and sagging as stuff slides slowly down your legs.

In fact why choose any one style over the other? Wear whatever feels right on that particular occasion and enjoy getting trashed!

No point in getting messy without them

Pictures like these have definitely been some of my inspiration, I agree completely! I should probably also say thanks for all the great ideas over the years.

Anyway these days like for daily life they don't usually make an appearance but definitely do if I'm going out. And of course if I'm not going to be staying clean because looking nice is a key part of the fun.