Sadly I didn't see this in time to express my opinions prior to the referendum, however had I been able to do so I would have been proud to say I was going to vote "Leave"... In light of the result of the referendum I'm even more delighted & proud to say that I voted "Leave" and that I've helped to ensure that Great Britain will remain free and democratic forever (hopefully).

What upsets me is the fact that everyone in my home city London seems to think that anyone who voted Leave is a racist and voted purely on the basis of immigration... that was not the main reason I voted Leave. I voted Leave because I have known since I was able to form a rational political argument aged 10, that being in the EU was NOT good for Britain or democracy, that the EU peddles lies to us every day, and has been slowly destroying my country in numerous ways from "Fishing Quotas" and the "Common Agricultural Policy" to dictating to me how much time I am ALLOWED to dedicate to my hobby of being a Territorial Army soldier (I have actually been threatened that I would be barred from training until the end of a tax year because I'd done too much training on more than one occasion). I'm sorry, but why should a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels have the right to tell me how much of my time I wish to devote to "Queen & Country"?

When I voted I was fully aware that there COULD be risks to the economy if we re-gained our independence, however compared to the way that British business is hamstrung by red-tape at the moment, I felt that it was a gamble worth taking, and that "Project Fear" was just that... scare-mongering... I know that the Governor of the Bank of England was making dire economic forecasts, but he was put in place by those who wanted us to Remain... and I couldn't trust the European Central Bank or (given the fact it's led by a "Frog" the IMF) to give sane, rational or impartial advice... therefore I did what most sensible people would do - I asked friends who were experts and work in Banking in the City... who confirmed they were for Brexit and that Britain could prosper solo. Buoyed up by this, and sound in the knowledge that if the promised Apocalypse and WW3 broke out that I would be fighting to protect my country and not fighting for the EU, I decided to have faith that there must be SOMETHING better than being dictated to by a load of unelected foreigners most of whom hate everything you live for with a passion, and so I dismissed "Project Fear".

I voted "Leave" I'm proud to have done so, and would do so again... What upsets me is that having portrayed the "Leave" campaign as a bunch of idiotic "Little Englanders" and racists, the "Remain" campaign, having failed to persuade the people it was the right course and been smashed in a referendum with a higher turnout than any recent election, is trying to overturn democracy because it hasn't got the decision it wanted... but sadly this is typical behaviour from an undemocratic EU!

But yet nobody can now sensibly say that the will of the people is to leave. All excluded groups were strongly for remain. This includes Britains who have lived abroad for years, the young, permanent residents that have had citizenship taking away from them, EU residents who never became citizens since they did not have to. The leave campaign fed lies for years about regulated coffin sizes and hundred of made up regulations, how much is sent to Europe and who will join Europe and when. If the very small group of people who paid to have these headlines printed had told the lies about any British organisation they would have killed it by now.

Is it democracy when a small amount of people manipulate the masses for personal gain? Representative democracy has protects us a little from this sort of stupidly since elected politicians don't like reacting to majority opinions when they know full well the tide will change next week and they are likely to lose their jobs. Is that more democratic?

Well from the POV of a UK-based wam producer who pays models in pounds but sells products in US dollars it's working out well - today the pound has crashed to another new low of $1.316 against the dollar and is predicted by one of the major trading houses to go as low as $1.20 by the end of the year. So every sale is now worth more than it was a week ago, while model costs remain the same.

I'm glad we've largely switched from food based mess to Gunge Tank Babes' gunge for future messy scenes though, as the price of custard is going to skyrocket when the currency fluctuations start to affect imported goods.

Meanwhile though the bond markets are on fire, the stock market is in free-fall, pension pots are on fire, and airline stocks are going through the floor. And it's looking highly likely that the Union itself is on the rocks, with both a united Ireland and an independent Scotland very much on the cards.

And of course the vote was so narrow, 52% Leave, 48% Remain, that no-one can declare anything decisive either way. Also, the referendum wasn't actually binding, parliament doesn't have to act on it. So in reality just about anything could happen now.

Personally I'm not taking a position for or against, but rather just hanging on for the ride and seeing what happens next. The political fall-out is fascinating to watch, there's a theory going round that by resigning and refusing to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, and instead leaving it for his successor to do, Cameron has effectively wrecked Boris Johnston's ambitions, by leaving him three choices:

• Run for PM, and then don't activate Article 50 - at which point he betrays everyone on the Leave side, cue civil unrest.
• Don't run at all - and throw away all chance of ever being more than a back-bencher.
• Run for PM, activate Articke 50 - and take the full blame for the ensuing financial train-wreck and destruction of the United Kingdom.

Apparently "The Prince" is required reading at Eton, and Cameron has clearly studied it in depth - a more bitter poisoned chalice as becoming the next Tory leader really is hard to imagine.

Meanwhile on the Left, the Labour party has descended into a Game of Thrones style bloodbath, and it's also become clear that the only party leader in the entire country who actually had a plan to deal with a pro-Brexit vote was Nichola Sturgeon of the SNP, who is now sweeping all before her on the march to Indyref2.

We live in interesting times!

mmm_custard, I am slightly confused by your logic with regard the "excluded groups"... You mention the "Young"... anyone over 18 who wishes to vote merely needs to get on the electoral roll & turn out to vote... something they are notoriously poor at (irrespective of their facebook rants on a subject)...
Voter Turnout by age:
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%

"Expats who've lived abroad for years"... Remind me why should someone who CHOOSES to move abroad from their own country (probably for the remainder of their lives) have the right to say how the country they left 15 years or more ago is run??? If I chose to move abroad for life I wouldn't expect Great Britain to care that much about my opinion... but I'd probably have started process to be involved in democracy of the country I'd moved to.

"Permanent Residents who've had citizenship taken away from them" I'm slightly confused by this group - Who is resident in the UK but has been stripped of British Citizenship (except possibly terrorists who've come here and got dual nationality... in which case stripping them of citizenship should be the start, followed by deporting them to their home nation... (except we can't do that due to EU Human {i.e. terrorist} Rights legislation). This is clearly a very small number and note going to outweigh the 17 million + who voted for Freedom (and who don't DESERVE a vote on grounds of being terrorists) NB I am happy to listen if you can provide an alternative way of falling in this category that doesn't involve any form of law-breaking.

"EU Resident who didn't become citizens"... EXACTLY - They are EU citizens not British Citizens, therefore they have no say in the matter, just as if I was living in France or Germany I would have no say in their political matters.

So actually THERE WAS A MAJORITY VOTE TO LEAVE!

I'm pretty sure that people who don't qualify to vote are not qualified to vote. That's why I've not intervened in the American election.

I totally agree, though the speed of which the leave campaign admitted they lied and have no plan plus the obvious effect on the economy has changed a lot of peoples minds, but yes a second vote would be un-democratic...

...not that they have to sign Article 50. The person who does will be hated by so many people that is scuppers any election chance pretty much handing Labour a win (Tories got in with 25% of the vote at the last G.E.)

If they don't then a different group will hate them and a strong far-right may appear which is sudderingly terrifying.

Either way we have shot ourselves in the foot as Europe will not trade with us in the same way again.

I am scared for our future and intend to do everything I can to help it be the best it could possibly be: Lobbying, Voting, spreading love among the communities that need it most, reporting hate crimes/xenophobia (would have anyway, but still...).

All rational people of both sides need to pull together and sort this shit out as soon as possible, it will be fine and good enough...and the irrational people..? They'll like it too and claim credit. And we will remain silent.
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I only came on here to agree with Noise...must be getting cantankerous in my old age.

Britains that live abroad were able to vote. It's a standard thing. Ask me how I know...

Young people can vote, anyone of voting age can vote.

Permanent residents are called permanent residents - this is important - because they are not citizens. Again, ask me how I know.

EU residents who never became citizens since they did not have to... kind of did have to if they wanted to be citizens. Non citizens don't vote in a country they are not citizens in. It's kind of a thing.

If you want to vote in a country, become a citizen.

While the young should vote more about one third of 16-18 year olds were expected to vote and they were largely supporting remain. Every month older leave voters are dying and new remain voters are becoming allowed to vote.


Many leave for work or family reasons which can include sickness or visa problems. Living away doesn't mean they don't feel British or want to come back. Lots have no choice.


In 2012 the law changed stripping married couple of British citizenship. Married couples have to have been on a partner visas for 6 years before they can become British regardless of how long they have lived in the country. Also of those between jobs during the 28 day checkpoints without 48,000 pounds or those on minimum wage are asked to leave the country. Most feel British and hope to return. Many will have been in the county a decade before being allowed to vote. These changes were of course brought in by the Torys. These groups of people of course would not vote Tory. They have to pay thousands of pounds in fees and pay for the NHS twice, in taxes and in fees to the home office. They are exempt from benefits and are a big cash cow for the government, yet their voting rights, and many civil rights, have been removed.

Most British people are ignorant of this but still get involved in debates on immigration. Post-factual democracy feels very fitting here. They are certainly not terrorists.


Many lived here for many years and didn't apply for citizenship because they are European. They vote in local elections, work, raise families and socialise with us. For many the UK is their home. Some don't know the country they were born in and identify as British. These people of course need to apply for a British passport and soon.


But yet the public will is to stay and since Gove, Farage and Boris have backtracked on what they previously said the sentiment is growing. Strange times!

Chiming in here. I voted to remain and very glad that the majority of Scotland also voted to remain. I knew, if there was a leave vote, that there would be a "shit hits the fan" moment but didn't bank on it being this big a fan and this much shit. And I feel there's more to come. This could very well be the beginning of the end for the so-called "United" Kingdom........That's all I'll say for now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_6sU7O43w

More from Paul Joseph Watson;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y

The truth about Brexit;

I believe this sums it up rather well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6HNXtdvVQ

Update:

As expected, Boris was wrong-footed by Cameron, he was then spectacularly stabbed in the back by the odious Gove, and is now defeated.

Farage, who's primarily responsible for this entire farce, has quit his party leadership and run away.

The entire Leave campaign has proved to be a complete pack of lies, none of the people in the campaign had any actual plan for what to do if they won, because it's fairly obvious they didn't expect or indeed want to win - the whole thing was supposed to be about narrowly losing and using that to force concessions from Brussels. Now they've won and we really are up shit creek with no paddles.

Just about the entire shadow cabinet resigned in a co-ordinated effort to bring down Jeremy Corbyn, but failed completely. Angela Eagle appeared on TV in tears claiming she was so upset at having to do so - but it then turned out that a bunch of angela4leader domain names had been registered the day before. Oops.

And the SNP just keep on trucking, meeting European leaders, beginning to put the basic legislation in place to enable Indyref2 if it comes to that, but pursuing all other options as well - the only party in the entire country who appear to have actually had a plan for what to do if Leave won.

We are now way past clusterfuck and properly into omnishambles.

And as yet, no-one has actually invoked Article 50, which is what would start the process of actually leaving the EU. The collapse of the pound so far is just at the possibility of Brexit. If it actually happens, all financial hell will break lose - one of the big banks is now predicting that the pound will actually hit parity with the US dollar by the end of 2016 - wiping out a full one third of the UK's entire national wealth in the process.