Claiming to be a generic 'scientist' doesn't automatically invest you with authority on any and all topics. Noone's asking geologists to perform bypass surgeries or ecologists to predict the magnitude of an upcoming earthquake. To be honest mate you come across as bigoted and ignorant about these issues.

I'm pretty shocked by these backwards attitudes, given the kinky nature of this forum, and have a really hard time understanding the vitriol against trans people. Are people scared that jerking it to someone who they later found to be previously a man will magically mean that they're gay?

As a solution (if one is really needed) I'd propose a separate forum for TG posts or maybe a [tg] tag on posts in the messy forum if it's a trans woman. It's stupid to suggest that they should be on the male forum, people presumably go there to see pictures of people who look like men and will be more put off by someone who looks like a woman.

You're wrong. And very angry. Why so serious? Afraid we'll find out you wear panties?

So not being mislead and wanting to know exactly who's taking part in a video is not normal?
It's quite simple Nadia promoted herself on other sites as tg as that would get her more buys then forgot to mention it on here to not affect her sales. That to me is wrong. It's really that simple. I now know this so don't click on threads including her but every time something's posted it's never mentioned in the op's thread only when someone brings up the past. So yes there are new people who'll be mislead into thinking she's a women.

If it's such not a big issue why not say it? Once again for me I have no issue with people being into different things and living there lives so they can be as happy as they deserve to be I just HATE the manipulative and deceitful way some people like to go about it

FYI, you can say words like "cock" and "dick" on this sexual fetish forum.

#irony

Actually, it's about ethics in gaming journalism.

Actually, I'm a biochemist. I understand DNA and the fact that you can't really alter it without SEVERE consequences. Even knock-out therapy are excruciatingly painful and they change just TINY little parts of DNA. Nadia was born a man, and will always be a man no matter what form of mutilation he does to his body. He thinks he's a woman...that's a mental disorder just like a person who thinks they are a dog (Look up Boomer the dog guy). Just because someone changes the visual aesthetic of their body doesn't mean they change the underlying side. It is not intolerant, it is FACTUAL. Why do people give a pass to those who have one type of mental disorder as another person simply b/c it involves their sex? If you think you are something that you aren't, that's a real, serious, potentially harmful problem.

I for one wouldn't want to be "tricked" into thinking someone is a woman when they are in fact a man. Watch the syfy network show "Face Off". Plenty of times they take models and make them into something of the opposite sex b/c of their body proportions. So it's very easy to mask gender, but at it's root, you cannot change it.

I find it odd that people get so out of sorts when others on the forums simply want to make it clear that Nadia is a guy, surgically altered or not. Political correctness has gone far too far in the world and b/c of it, allows for people with mental issues to go untreated. It's sad really.

You're a biochemist and you think people are trying to perform gender reassignment with gene therapy? Functional genetic treatments on a macro scale on a live human are years away from practical application. People use hormone therapy and surgery, it's not just a case of cutting your dick off and putting on a bit of lipstick.




So what if someone wants to identify as a different gender and makes changes to live their life that way? It might be classified as a mental condition, I don't know, but if someone wants to be referred to as a woman where's the harm in that? What do you mean "give them a pass"? because I don't generally go around harassing people with conditions whatever they might be. Also, bringing up the example of the dog guy is an absurd comparison, you sound like one of those cretins that thought that allowing gay marriage would result in a spate of people shacking up with inanimate objects.

Yes political correctness has gone mad, oh for a time when we could openly express our disgust for people who had the audacity to live their lives as they wanted instead of how we thought they should and not get called out on our bigoted bullshit.

The fact is that Valentine Network's recent scenes have been fantastic in terms of production value and quality across the board and people are doing themselves a disservice if they're avoiding them. I don't know the history of Nadia's interactions on this board and I certainly don't endorse dishonesty in terms of advertising a product, but the amount of vitriol directed towards her whenever she's mentioned is just ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity how do you feel when you click on to a post and you unwittingly catch site of a naked man being pied by a woman. We see plenty of those posts where the guy's tackle is there for all to see, or he's having his cock sucked. Isn't that kind of deceiving in that no one made you aware you would see male nudity?

I hate seeing other men naked and turn away quick but I don't shout out that I feel that I have been wrongfully subjected to images I deem inappropriate. Its a fetish site, it's not clean and pure but rather extreme and yet some of you are spouting how immoral Nadia's behaviour is as if you have been violated. Come on guys, take a chill pill and let her be.

I actually get annoyed when there is a post that is titled something vague like, "this is nice" or "good link" and then click on it and it's hardcore XXX pornography, women or men. I'm even more adverse to seeing some naked guy with an erect cock tied to a chair or some shit while there is some extraneous WAM happening.

I don't normally say anything, namely because this isn't my site and it's not my place to bitch or complain about it, unless it's violating the rules somehow (in which case, you report it and move on).

I'm generally cool with Nadia or whatever decision she's made for her own life. I think she could have been more forthcoming when she initially showed up but as I saw it at the time, there should have been an immediate action right then and there if what she did was wrong or bannable. What happened was she was allowed to stick around and then weeks or months later, there was a mob-like mentality against here, with plenty of people trying to goad her into "breaking the rules" (which she kept her cool the whole time) until finally she was just booted, I imagine because she was too controversial at that point.

Apparently still is.

Live and let live. She fucked up, sure, but it's not the end of the world and, no disrespect or trying to be shitty to Nadia if she's reading this, but if you can't look at a TG and tell the difference, that's as much on you as her in my book. Sorry. I could just tell from the beginning, so maybe I don't have as much sympathy for anyone "fooled" as I should.

As to any moral problems with this. It's her fucking life, not yours, so people should in general pull the sticks from their asses and worry about other shit in life.

Thread locked in 3... 2... 1...

Needless to say, there must be several dudes seriously traumatized by today's WOTD.

Someone said earlier that everyone knows Nadia is a man so if you see that name, then don't click the thread. I've been here for approximately 15 years and didn't know that. I don't read every thread. I am not into male WAM and feel very deceived when someone posts claiming to be a woman and is not. I don't care if they post their pics in this forum, just please add "transgender" in the subject line. It's not that hard to do.

In honor of this thread, I've just sent Bea back to the old folks' home (only temporarily!) and made Venus my new avatar.

So, uh, a few of you may not want to click on any threads that I post in.

Sowwy!

Well I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! Can I just say in my (and Nadia's) defence, that I originally, (after checking with Nadia), posted this thread in the Male Wam Forum, but the administrator for some reason moved it to here, and I agree with some of you that it probably belongs there in lieu of a transgender or "third sex" forum. But that is out of my control. Nadia left this site for whatever reason(s) which all happened before I was an active member here, but I liked her work and got in touch and offered to post on this site when new work came up, since she wouldn't or felt she couldn't. As far as I know the only clip that featured other transgender performers, (other than Nadia), was I think one of, (if not THE first ever clip), and was taken down from the Valentine Network store; http://www.valentinenetwork.com/ and her Humiliation Girls clipstore; http://clips4sale.com/62563/ quite some time ago. I am just a fan and feel her work is good and deserves an audience and certainly Nadia has as much right to that as Rich, Piefight Girls, Wamerica, Lenny, Leah, Ariel, or any of you other producers, (all of your work I love too by the way), since it's high end WAM which definitely is a point of difference. She doesn't rip people off, bad mouth anyone and delivers high quality work, and I think she deserves to be treated the same, with some dignity, regardless of your personal feelings and hang ups. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but there's really no need for personal attacks. As to her shooting style, prices, etc, you're more than welcome to send queries to Nadia here; http://valentinenetwork.com/index.php?main_page=contact_us&zenid=9f61dd0d6fba4fa5fd78183bd13b4aa5 . I post Nadia's work on the Messy Forum if it features female performers, (who are generally, I think we can mostly agree, are universally very hot). If it features Nadia I will post it in the Male Wam Forum. I can't control if it stays there. It really isn't the end of the world people. For those interested there is her latest clip being discussed here; https://umd.net/forums/a-new-and-reasonably-priced . For those who support and stand up for Nadia, I thank you. And that's my two cents.

Sorry, it was in the Male Wam forum, and I mistakenly moved it here. I'ts back!

"Forgetting" to mention your a dude isn't cool, but that's all over now. We all know and anybody who didn't know from the start needs to get their prescription checked. Let's cut pie sub a break and let him share new content he thinks some of us will like. I personally don't see it as a big deal.

What's far more important was how I was mentioned among some of the finest producers out there. That's th real take away here.

Thanks for the support sir! And I like to give credit where it is due. When can we expect more of your high calibre saucy slippery slapstick? I know this isn't the forum for it, but I'm a huge Eden Levine fan, (who you have shot at least 2 movies with), and couldn't help noticing she has a model friend called Lyndsey Pelas. I think they'd be great together, (hint,hint:readit Cheers

Lindsey was on the table for like 5 seconds and backed out. Dam ahame.

The level of transphobia and fragile American straight-guy masculinity in this thread is insane. Y'all can't just dump this in our forum (the Male Wam Forum) because - the clue is in the name - we like seeing guys getting messy. If someone looks like a woman and identifies as a woman, their material should be in your forum. If you're not into her stuff, don't click on it or buy it. Simple. This is turning into a witch-hunt. Looking at her pictures (or looking at male nudity) should not threaten or challenge you. I'm gay but I have no problem with naked women in WAM content and in fact I really like women-pieing-men scenarios. Grow up and let live! If I can cope with breasts in male WAM, y'all straight guys should be able to deal with the occasional penis in your female WAM without being repulsed/traumatised or thinking it makes you "gay".

Similarly, a transman (female-to-male) WAM performer, not that I'm aware there are any, should be in the Male Wam Forum.

For those who are fans of seeing Nadia Valentine pied, check out the twitter page; https://twitter.com/NadiaValentine and scroll down to a tweet dated 18 March entitled "@laylasinxxx and I teach @NadiaValentine a messy lesson during lunch break at today's shoot...Lol" and click view content. Nadia was helping Christina Carter (left) & Penthouse Pet Layla Sin:lovestruck: with a messy film clip and was pied by them.

I disagree. Once a man, always a man. Just b/c he made himself look female doesn't mean he is female. And just b/c a woman makes herself look male doesn't mean she is a guy. The ONLY sane thing at this point would be to do one of two things (unless someone thinks of something else reasonable):

1 - Forum Title Tags: This would allow someone to post a title with a tag clearly indicating the nature of a post. These could help ID posts from [Producers], [Finds], [XXX], [Gameshow], etc.....Sky's the limit on these

2 - Make a Transgender forum where ALL transgender stuff goes. No exceptions.

These two ideas could be done together as well as they are not mutually exclusive. You can call it transphobia if you want, but I believe that whatever you're born as, you are that. Sure, you can mutilate yourself to look like a dolphin, but you won't ever be a dolphin (See South Park: Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina if you don't get this concept).