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"Kelsey Roses isn't real"
Love you, too
Reading all of this is just... wow. I am curious as to how the account was verified, as when I verified mine my first attempt was denied because my passport had shine on it. Makes me wonder if its a third party or actual mods approving these.
To use that poor woman's photos is horrific. It's bad enough pretending to be someone else and catfishing people but have some respect for the dead! Glad to see the accounts are being deleted but the damage is still done.
Could Todd be reported for identity theft? As there was money involved it's still fraud isn't it?.
Also this does my box in as its hard navigating this world. Nearly everyone I've spoken to in this world has been lovely but there's always one or two who have to try to ruin it. Being questioned all the time because you're not "the perfect wam girl" is exhausting. So this just takes the cake when there are genuine people on here trying to find their way.
I wish anyone affected by this love and comfort
To use that poor woman's photos is horrific. It's bad enough pretending to be someone else and catfishing people but have some respect for the dead! Glad to see the accounts are being deleted but the damage is still done.
Could Todd be reported for identity theft? As there was money involved it's still fraud isn't it?.
Also this does my box in as its hard navigating this world. Nearly everyone I've spoken to in this world has been lovely but there's always one or two who have to try to ruin it. Being questioned all the time because you're not "the perfect wam girl" is exhausting. So this just takes the cake when there are genuine people on here trying to find their way.
I wish anyone affected by this love and comfort
On a mission for messy adventures :D
CreamMeAgain said:
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Slimed Models said:
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
the_pie_chap said:
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
Slimed Models said: I found this out from Slop Slvt's work on Instagram this morning. I feel betrayed and devastated, but moreover just fucking stupid for being so naive and trusting. I'll need some time to rebrand the scenes that "Kelsey" shot for my site, which we unfortunately communicated entirely through email and Instagram so I just took "her" for her word that she was who she said. I am so sorry that my work and reputation got so tied to someone who I was collaborating with who turned out to be misrepresenting themselves.
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
Slop Slvt said:
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
CreamMeAgain said:
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Slimed Models said:
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
the_pie_chap said:
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
Slimed Models said: I found this out from Slop Slvt's work on Instagram this morning. I feel betrayed and devastated, but moreover just fucking stupid for being so naive and trusting. I'll need some time to rebrand the scenes that "Kelsey" shot for my site, which we unfortunately communicated entirely through email and Instagram so I just took "her" for her word that she was who she said. I am so sorry that my work and reputation got so tied to someone who I was collaborating with who turned out to be misrepresenting themselves.
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
Hold up. He wanted to pay you 150 dollars for a shoot and you provide all the supplies or am I reading this wrong?
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Hi everyone. Kelsey Rose has deleted their account today. But I need to clarify again to everyone to always please be careful with anyone you deal with. I do everything I reasonably can to verify store owners, including requiring a government ID, a W9, and some other info, but I do not run actual background checks on any of you. I will do research on any user here upon request, but no site owner can be privy to or responsible for what everyone is doing off-site! Please do your own vetting of the people you deal with.
Also note that some accounts are run by business entities that may carry the title of a person's name. As long as they are not being actively deceptive it's acceptable, and that's standard practice on a lot of accounts. If we find they are deceiving people of UMD, we will remove them.
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Also note that some accounts are run by business entities that may carry the title of a person's name. As long as they are not being actively deceptive it's acceptable, and that's standard practice on a lot of accounts. If we find they are deceiving people of UMD, we will remove them.
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Stay messy, my friends
Slop Slvt said:
The pictures of "Kelsey" in her profile pictures and the selfies are of the deceased woman. The photos that "Kelsey" claimed to be herself getting slimed, are actually of a fetish model (who is still living) and confirmed that it was from a slime shoot she did for "Kelsey." And of course, told me that "Kelsey" was never at the shoots, but confirmed that Todd was there.
Wambassador said: So all 8 years' worth of photos on "her" instagram page... those were of the other girl who OP posted chat screenshots from? Or they were the now deceased woman?
The pictures of "Kelsey" in her profile pictures and the selfies are of the deceased woman. The photos that "Kelsey" claimed to be herself getting slimed, are actually of a fetish model (who is still living) and confirmed that it was from a slime shoot she did for "Kelsey." And of course, told me that "Kelsey" was never at the shoots, but confirmed that Todd was there.
Wow. Incredible commitment to the con
Slop Slvt said:
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
CreamMeAgain said:
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Slimed Models said:
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
the_pie_chap said:
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
Slimed Models said: I found this out from Slop Slvt's work on Instagram this morning. I feel betrayed and devastated, but moreover just fucking stupid for being so naive and trusting. I'll need some time to rebrand the scenes that "Kelsey" shot for my site, which we unfortunately communicated entirely through email and Instagram so I just took "her" for her word that she was who she said. I am so sorry that my work and reputation got so tied to someone who I was collaborating with who turned out to be misrepresenting themselves.
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
I find it exceptionally cruel to lump me in with Kelsey. I have never tried to deceive anyone. $150 is the standard I offer for one video (not a full-day shoot) featuring one mess. I thought we were having a fun conversation, and when you said you were insulted by the offer (which again, was not trying to lowball or offend), I immediately apologized. I apologize again now, because I continue to have nothing but respect for you and your work, and would certainly never try to offend you. If there's more I could do to not be a "scumbag," please message me in private, I'm always happy to work on myself, and I know I'm not perfect! But for now I'm not sure how me asking you if you wanted $150 to make a gross-slime video for me makes me a scumbag.
Check out our new website: Slimedmodels.com!
TgirlHannaH said:
I was more thinking of varification of members like me who dont run a store or any kind of model agency.
MM claims to work with all of the store owners on a personal level so id asume that they were all vetted personally by him in addition and not just relying on the varification system. Im sure that in future he will be a bit more careful with this process. Its this that seperates UMD from massive sites like PH.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Hard disagree. If you sell content, are a model or producer, you should absolutely be verified to the freaking gills. I don't care how "invasive" it is.
We have producers from here till Christmas groaning due to the draconian merchant policies against adult content because one, ONE group of scumbags thought it would be cute to coerce underage women into shooting porn for PH and now the entire industry is paying for it.
That's all it takes to bring this community down. Just one instance. We have had 2 major occurrences of deliberately deceptive behavior from a model/producer account in the past 6 months.
TgirlHannaH said:
I dont think varification should be any harder because of one person who went to such extremes to bypass it.
I dont think varification should be any harder because of one person who went to such extremes to bypass it.
Hard disagree. If you sell content, are a model or producer, you should absolutely be verified to the freaking gills. I don't care how "invasive" it is.
We have producers from here till Christmas groaning due to the draconian merchant policies against adult content because one, ONE group of scumbags thought it would be cute to coerce underage women into shooting porn for PH and now the entire industry is paying for it.
That's all it takes to bring this community down. Just one instance. We have had 2 major occurrences of deliberately deceptive behavior from a model/producer account in the past 6 months.
I was more thinking of varification of members like me who dont run a store or any kind of model agency.
MM claims to work with all of the store owners on a personal level so id asume that they were all vetted personally by him in addition and not just relying on the varification system. Im sure that in future he will be a bit more careful with this process. Its this that seperates UMD from massive sites like PH.
I think anyone verified can just start a store.
To me there are two issues. 'Verification' on UMD is filing that the legal entity (i.e. person) is a person with a real name and real address. You upload your ID and address and it goes on file. I don't think that there is any actual real verification beyond that (I'm happy to be corrected) - I suspect it's just to meet minimum standards to be legally compliant.
The other is that uploading an ID and having an online persona are two different things. I can start a store and call it, say, "SloppySally", and have my model as the face of it, and people will just assume my name is Sally and I'm a dedicated wammer doing it out of love, because it fits with their fantasy of amateurs doing it out of love. I think we need some sort of disclaimer on profiles with stores, essentially warning people that the person in the picture isn't necessarily the person they are messaging.
What Todd (if that is his real name) did with Kelsey Rose goes beyond all this, obviously...
Messmaster said: I will do research on any user here upon request, but no site owner can be privy to or responsible for what everyone is doing off-site! Please do your own vetting of the people you deal with.
Thanks
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With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
CreamMeAgain said:
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Slimed Models said:
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
the_pie_chap said:
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
Slimed Models said: I found this out from Slop Slvt's work on Instagram this morning. I feel betrayed and devastated, but moreover just fucking stupid for being so naive and trusting. I'll need some time to rebrand the scenes that "Kelsey" shot for my site, which we unfortunately communicated entirely through email and Instagram so I just took "her" for her word that she was who she said. I am so sorry that my work and reputation got so tied to someone who I was collaborating with who turned out to be misrepresenting themselves.
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
I completely understand your skepticism, and think it's totally fair. The truth is Kelsey and I only ever interacted over email, Instagram DMs, and occasionally here on UMD. I did ask for Kelsey's phone number several times, but "she" declined.
I think the main thing that led me on for a ride, which I'm sure a lot of you can relate to, is just how badly I wanted Kelsey to be real. Be a wammer is lonely, particularly one with my tastes. For the first time in my life, I thought I had met a woman whose interests really matched up with mine, and I let that desire for connection lead me to not conduct any further diligence.
CreamMe, I am personally so sorry if I was the one to introduce you to Kelsey. I had no idea that "she" had scheduled shoots with you that "she" flaked on. That's truly awful. I consider you a friend and I am heartbroken to think that this would cause a rift in our friendship, although I understand. Please know that I have nothing but respect and love for everything you do, and I think you're the single most talented WAM performer on this site!
Please message me in private if you want to talk through this, because I'd like nothing more than to do that.
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Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Hold up. He wanted to pay you 150 dollars for a shoot and you provide all the supplies or am I reading this wrong?
Slop Slvt said:
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
CreamMeAgain said:
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Slimed Models said:
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
the_pie_chap said:
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
Slimed Models said: I found this out from Slop Slvt's work on Instagram this morning. I feel betrayed and devastated, but moreover just fucking stupid for being so naive and trusting. I'll need some time to rebrand the scenes that "Kelsey" shot for my site, which we unfortunately communicated entirely through email and Instagram so I just took "her" for her word that she was who she said. I am so sorry that my work and reputation got so tied to someone who I was collaborating with who turned out to be misrepresenting themselves.
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Personal apology to Rich who I reached out to in private this morning. A while back he announced his suspicions that Kelsey wasn't real and I really told him off because I thought "she" was my friend and I trusted her. We've buried the hatchet in private.
Just want to ensure everyone that this is just as shocking to me as it is all of you, and I am really heartbroken today at being so blatantly lied to for SO LONG
Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.
(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)
I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.
You know what Richie, this is not enough of an explanation for me, and I'm finding it hard to trust you. You are the one who introduced me to Kelsey, I met her because of YOU. Because I thought you were working with a woman that I was bonding with over being a genuine wammer, I felt like you were more trustworthy to work with, Kelsey talked you up as being a decent guy.
The first time she flaked on me when she told me she was in town, I was bummed, but whatev, she was traveling and it was last second. The second time, a little frustrated, but it happens, travel schedules are crazy. The third time she did it I felt disrespected the way my time was really not even considered, and the fourth time she did it I stopped responding to her. 4 times, that was enough for me to question her or at least give up on ever working with her. How long have you been working with her? How long have you known her that you never fucking spoke to her on the phone? Even I have at least spoken to you on the phone. You were so cautious with your identity when I first worked with you, so protective. In fact, I had to rewrite that first contract because I thought you were asking for more than was necessary to ensure my confidence. And yet you were never that cautious with Kelsey to verify her identity and ensure her confidence the way you wanted to do with me? No sir, this does not add up to me right now. I just think you're too smart to not have questioned her at some point, even I did after she flaked out so many times. I feel like it would be really naive of me to assume that you were so easily taken for a ride.
Yes!!! And while we're on the subject. Richie, I also have my evidence that you appear to be as much of a scumbag as the "Kelsey" account. Funny how you both worked together so much over the years. How does that saying go again?? Birds of a feather flock together???
Hold up. He wanted to pay you 150 dollars for a shoot and you provide all the supplies or am I reading this wrong?
Correct. $150 for the shoot, including supplies, labor, filming, etc. I do my videos all by myself without any assistance -- aka it's A LOT of work for one girl.
Wow just wow I really want to know who this profile got through the net.
If I'm not happy with the explanation my site on this site WILL be closed, I will spend the next 48-72hrs making a decision.
If I'm not happy with the explanation my site on this site WILL be closed, I will spend the next 48-72hrs making a decision.
What do we do? GUNK EM UP
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
Messmaster said: I will do research on any user here upon request, but no site owner can be privy to or responsible for what everyone is doing off-site! Please do your own vetting of the people you deal with.
Thanks
Thanks
With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
From what I understand, this "offense" took place with other people and wherever "she" did business. UMD is not the sole arbiter of a person's authenticity and we have no proof that any records were falsified. I require the documents that I legally require, and I will research every single flag, but I don't go any further than that for privacy reasons.
Stay messy, my friends
Slop Slvt said: To clarify, I wasn't only offended by Richie's lowball price. But that you basically prey off of the lack of self-respect/insecurity that women have, and use that to your advantage to lowball them.
Setting a price based on the market for a scene is not "preying off the lack of self-resepct/insecruity that woman have." I lose money on Slimed Models most months, and $150 is the price I can offer. I have nothing but respect for women who feel that that is too low for them, and turn down my offer, as I said in my DM to you. That is everyone's choice, and I agree that it would be awesome if the market allowed for higher compensation, but again, I am losing money on this.
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Admin note: I deleted the photo of the deceased party's memorial. Out of respect for the privacy of the individual who has nothing to do with these circumstances I have removed the image.
Filthy Girl said: Admin note: I deleted the photo of the deceased party's memorial. Out of respect for the privacy of the individual who has nothing to do with these circumstances I have removed the image.
Kudos for that catch as this thread morphs into... whatever it's going to morph into.
JazzTalker said: Kudos for that catch as this thread morphs into... whatever it's going to morph into.
Usually how UMD threads go
If anyone has questions or comments you can pass them along to me or any other admin.
Well this was a rabbit hole I wasn't expecting to fall down when I logged on... 
All this cake, there must be a princess somewhere.
Slop Slut, you are a champion here.
This is a horrible and disgusting thing that is leaving a lot of us feeling bad and abused and likely worse, but your actions have made this a safer space for everyone, and I think that's really important to recognize. As such a niche / boutique community, it's important that we're able to vet each other, trust each other, and take care of each other.
Super stoked to have you as a friend, and even more excited / motivated to be an active community member and make sure this shit doesn't happen in the future.
This is a horrible and disgusting thing that is leaving a lot of us feeling bad and abused and likely worse, but your actions have made this a safer space for everyone, and I think that's really important to recognize. As such a niche / boutique community, it's important that we're able to vet each other, trust each other, and take care of each other.
Super stoked to have you as a friend, and even more excited / motivated to be an active community member and make sure this shit doesn't happen in the future.
wam is art
Slimed Models said:
Setting a price based on the market for a scene is not "preying off the lack of self-resepct/insecruity that woman have." I lose money on Slimed Models most months, and $150 is the price I can offer. I have nothing but respect for women who feel that that is too low for them, and turn down my offer, as I said in my DM to you. That is everyone's choice, and I agree that it would be awesome if the market allowed for higher compensation, but again, I am losing money on this.
Slop Slvt said: To clarify, I wasn't only offended by Richie's lowball price. But that you basically prey off of the lack of self-respect/insecurity that women have, and use that to your advantage to lowball them.
Setting a price based on the market for a scene is not "preying off the lack of self-resepct/insecruity that woman have." I lose money on Slimed Models most months, and $150 is the price I can offer. I have nothing but respect for women who feel that that is too low for them, and turn down my offer, as I said in my DM to you. That is everyone's choice, and I agree that it would be awesome if the market allowed for higher compensation, but again, I am losing money on this.
It's not the money that's the main issue it was the back handed compliment saying hey you have more self respect than most women I deal with.
I do have to say it's a bit of a red flag.
I am getting more and more concerned about this community and how we say bad people in every group. This is true but we seem to have way more than our fair share and some are going to extremes.
VegasWam said: More UMD drama?
Dude. 100's of thousands of happy users, and if somebody acts up like once a year, and even does it off-site, it's UMD's fault!
Stay messy, my friends
Messmaster said:
From what I understand, this "offense" took place with other people and wherever "she" did business. UMD is not the sole arbiter of a person's authenticity and we have no proof that any records were falsified. I require the documents that I legally require, and I will research every single flag, but I don't go any further than that for privacy reasons.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
Messmaster said: I will do research on any user here upon request, but no site owner can be privy to or responsible for what everyone is doing off-site! Please do your own vetting of the people you deal with.
Thanks
Thanks
With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
From what I understand, this "offense" took place with other people and wherever "she" did business. UMD is not the sole arbiter of a person's authenticity and we have no proof that any records were falsified. I require the documents that I legally require, and I will research every single flag, but I don't go any further than that for privacy reasons.
Appreciate all you do MM, and take your point about things happening off site.
However, would you be able to clarify please - was Kelsey's UMD profile verified using identity documents belonging to a man or a woman?
the_pie_chap said:
Appreciate all you do MM, and take your point about things happening off site.
However, would you be able to clarify please - was Kelsey's UMD profile verified using identity documents belonging to a man or a woman?
Messmaster said:
From what I understand, this "offense" took place with other people and wherever "she" did business. UMD is not the sole arbiter of a person's authenticity and we have no proof that any records were falsified. I require the documents that I legally require, and I will research every single flag, but I don't go any further than that for privacy reasons.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
Messmaster said: I will do research on any user here upon request, but no site owner can be privy to or responsible for what everyone is doing off-site! Please do your own vetting of the people you deal with.
Thanks
Thanks
With all due respect, this offense took place on this site (unless we are saying that falsifying records/submitting a fake Id to the site admins has nothing to do with this site now) so this does not remove the burden of responsibility that leadership has on this forum to present a safe atmosphere when it involves the safety of the models who frequent this site.
I gotta lot of love for you, dude, and I know you do a lot but no. That doesn't work
From what I understand, this "offense" took place with other people and wherever "she" did business. UMD is not the sole arbiter of a person's authenticity and we have no proof that any records were falsified. I require the documents that I legally require, and I will research every single flag, but I don't go any further than that for privacy reasons.
Appreciate all you do MM, and take your point about things happening off site.
However, would you be able to clarify please - was Kelsey's UMD profile verified using identity documents belonging to a man or a woman?
Their business documents were submitted to me in confidence, and as far as I can tell they were legit. Now, the business they were running out there? I have no clue. But on the backend I had no red flags at all. Beyond that I'm not at liberty to discuss any producer's docs, and gender isn't a consideration there anyway.
Stay messy, my friends
Verification of age needs to be done for all models appearing in scenes. In this case, the aforementioned party never appeared in any content as they did not exist, therefore validation of a specific model was not needed.
As was mentioned before, some of these accounts are businesses and thus operators are not necessarily the advertised parties shown in content. Therefore it could be assumed that names on official records may not reflect the name of the user. As well, many of us don't use our real names here and some of us don't use profile pictures of ourselves.
Finally, the former user stated in a post they may have used a fake ID. With this it's extremely difficult to verify the validity of identification from a photo. The verification system as is exists for compliance and record keeping purposes, not as an identity verification system, which would most certainly be a grotesque invasion of privacy for individual users.
As was mentioned before, some of these accounts are businesses and thus operators are not necessarily the advertised parties shown in content. Therefore it could be assumed that names on official records may not reflect the name of the user. As well, many of us don't use our real names here and some of us don't use profile pictures of ourselves.
Finally, the former user stated in a post they may have used a fake ID. With this it's extremely difficult to verify the validity of identification from a photo. The verification system as is exists for compliance and record keeping purposes, not as an identity verification system, which would most certainly be a grotesque invasion of privacy for individual users.
Messmaster said:
Dude. 100's of thousands of happy users, and if somebody acts up like once a year, and even does it off-site, it's UMD's fault!
VegasWam said: More UMD drama?
Dude. 100's of thousands of happy users, and if somebody acts up like once a year, and even does it off-site, it's UMD's fault!
When the problem is repetitive (I would only wish it was once a year, Chantelle was just a few months ago), don't get mad when users bring up legitimate concerns. Forgive me if I don't wanna wait until a model's face is in the news with this forums name attached to it before we decide to actually be proactive about it.
Not once anyone said it's anyones fault. We asked for an explanation and then when you chimed in, I then asked for something more to be done about it. I really don't see how that is unreasonable considering it's the models who assume majority of the risks creating this content.
This is a person who put themselves in positions of power over women in vulnerable situations under false pretenses. At least acknowledge the inherent problem with that and then we can have a discussion.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Filthy Girl said:
Finally, the former user stated in a post they may have used a fake ID. With this it's extremely difficult to verify the validity of identification from a photo. The verification system as is exists for compliance and record keeping purposes, not as an identity verification system, which would most certainly be a grotesque invasion of privacy for individual users.
Finally, the former user stated in a post they may have used a fake ID. With this it's extremely difficult to verify the validity of identification from a photo. The verification system as is exists for compliance and record keeping purposes, not as an identity verification system, which would most certainly be a grotesque invasion of privacy for individual users.
As stated, C4S does this for studio owners. Is it a pain? Yes. Does it prevent any sort of abuse? Absolutely but their compliance dept is literally dedicated to simply that. Compliance paperwork and studio admissions. Something MM doesn't have access to.
As I said in the other thread, I think all users being verified in this manner is overkill but studios, producers, models who sells content on this site? Absolutely. I have no idea how such a verification could be accomplished but I guess I could ask Liz River and see if she knows.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Maybe the real Kelsey Rose was the mess made along the way..
All this cake, there must be a princess somewhere.
JazzTalker said: For the sake of people being informed as to past attempts by "Kelsey" to stir up animosity in seemingly bad faith (I already used the word "foment" this morning), I was able to track down the thread where "Kelsey" put Rich on blast for extremely weird and contrived reasons about 2 years ago.
https://umd.net/forums/ycdtotv-retro-slime-scenes
It's WEIRD AS HELL. There are things that are yellow/orange flags here that maybe in hindsight should have been red.
https://umd.net/forums/ycdtotv-retro-slime-scenes
It's WEIRD AS HELL. There are things that are yellow/orange flags here that maybe in hindsight should have been red.
I wonder if CHH ever got the retro-themed custom he wanted.
I think everyone needs to know that as far as "Kelsey" needing to submit an ID to be verified, that can be easy to manipulate. If this person was actually hiring models and filming them, then he was able to get their ID to keep on file. I have to give copies of my ID and other docs to other producers every time I film. Every performer does, I think it's a federal law to do so. So he could have easily gotten a number of legit IDs to use for this kind of thing. I don't have to do more than that for every website I earn money on. Just submit an ID and bank info and the 2 don't have to match now with electronic transfers, some business account can be where payments go to. So I understand that you're all upset about this, but every other site uses the same verification process. This isn't a background check or an extensive application process. I mean, no one in the adult industry is going to try and make it harder to sell porn. It's not a perfect system, but that's what it is.
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