All that has to be proven is that the entity running the store and paying the taxes matches the ID that was sent in. If it was a fake ID as has been suggested, then 100% there is a fuck up on the part of admins. To my knowledge there has been no explicit pictures shown of Kelsey and so there was no reason to question about if the owner of the store had the ID of the model. There is nothing saying that the owner of the store has to be the one operating the profile. Just that there is a gray area around co-management.

FWIW I did find the site hosting the obituary and listing information about the memorial service etc. I did do a find a grave search at the cemetery listed and cannot find any graves with a birth and death year that matched. There are a couple of things I can see. The first being that everything stated in the other thread about this is true. Given basic 5 minute searching leads to some fast dead ends which supports the story told. Or the cemetery listed has not updated the information about the grave so it is not listed on a find a grave type site.

MM says that he leaves a lot of things with the site up to the community. I agree that recent revelations calls into question some of the checks and balances that exist or don't exist. I think as a community since we have a say in how things are governed to a point we should be able to have open discussions about how to revamp the process to help seal up these loopholes. At the end of the day this is MM sand box and we are playing in it by choice.

It seemed pretty obvious to me for a long time (i.e. always) that it was a dude behind the account. The language "Kelsey" used and the perspectives shared always struck me as masculine. At the most I thought "Kelsey" was a "transwoman".
I didn't follow any of the drama (if there was any)
I was completely unaware of any member conflicts or optimistic " While Knighting"
But I never said anything because I have learned that the UMD peanut gallery doesn't really welcome scepticism.

Not surprised here, but I had no investment in any way.

I remember Gia trying to make a comeback after that whole debacle, but I don't believe it got very far.

To be clear, I DON'T YET KNOW what details we're going to get on the verification process. Maybe there's some kind of legitimate explanation, maybe not. All I'm saying is this seems to be a matter of public interest and the allegations are serious enough for a Verified account that it merits MM weighing in IMHO.

"Kelsey" just deleted their profile on UMD. In case anyone was wondering or didn't know.

Yup. Openly admitted to using a fake ID and all apparently.

Damn........ very nice detective work Slop Slvt. Hopefully the real Kelsey Roses can rest in peace. Knowing you were. Looking out for her.

Funny how a simple video of "Kelsey" proving her identity could have ending the argument immediately.. but deleting the page and spouting bs is a perfect bandaid to slap over the situation

It's insane what lengths people will go to these days. It's very sickening and very sad.

I had always had a feeling "Kelsey" wasn't a real figure in the community. Too many things didn't add up. I'm glad that this is finally being brought to light and talked about. Very nice work Slop Slvt!

I totally felt this earlier today, remembering all the times she got WOTD. I don't remember seeing Rich call out Kelsey for being fake before, and I don't remember if I defended her if I did see it, but I'm sorry that he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt and that it wasn't looked into further at that time. She was so vocal on the forums that it was a little disarming. I stopped communicating with Kelsey about 2 years ago. At first I was really excited to chat with her when we first met online. But then I was getting frustrated with her cancelling on me every fucking time she "scheduled" something with me in person, to the point that I finally stopped responding to her messages all together. When I left social media I never heard from her again. I'm not surprised to learn that Kelsey isn't real, but to learn that the image is from a deceased woman is just disturbing.

I want to extend my gratitude to Slop Slvt for investigating this and exposing it. So grateful to you for doing this work and for taking on the level of stress and risk that comes with it, I truly appreciate you

We still have this slight issue that remains completely unanswered and unaddressed which is how is it that someone posed as a model as long as they have, completely untouched, was able to contact other models to set up shoots and win multiple WOTDs while supposedly "verified".

If this happened, what's to stop anyone from doing something worse? What's the point of verifying anyone if it is so easily defeated?

I have to second the statements of "thank you" to Slop Slvt for doing the legwork but my question now is directed to upper management: Why was Slop Slvt's efforts necessary in the first place?

Appreciate the contrition, but I do think branding scenes as 'Directed' by Kelsey Rose lent a lot of authenticity to what otherwise would have been a much more suspicious persona. It heavily implied she had been present at the shoots and, therefore, was real.

(And all kudos to Rich for being clear sighted on this one, and especially to Slop Slvt for finally giving us clarity.)

This right here.

Yeah, louder for people in the back.

I have my guesses, but none are grounded in any knowledge as to how the process works, so I'll wait for MM to share rather than fomenting hypotheticals that could be mistaken as fast.

I wonder if Ken has any input on this. He has a few scenes "Put together by Kelsey Rose"

For the sake of people being informed as to past attempts by "Kelsey" to stir up animosity in seemingly bad faith (I already used the word "foment" this morning), I was able to track down the thread where "Kelsey" put Rich on blast for extremely weird and contrived reasons about 2 years ago.

https://umd.net/forums/ycdtotv-retro-slime-scenes

It's WEIRD AS HELL. There are things that are yellow/orange flags here that maybe in hindsight should have been red.

Im shook, but not surprised. Ive been questioning her being real or not since i joined the site and she started messaging me. I didnt think she was real, but had no real proof. I was supposed to shoot with her then was ghosted when I got out to LA. Ive talked to multiple other people in the community about her leggitness, asking if anyone actually met her, nope, she fooled everyone <3

I completely recognize that and that's why I feel like such garbage today. I also was lied to, and "she" had told me she was present for these sets, with the help of "her boyfriend." I was completely taken for a ride and I apologize to everyone for being so trusting and "respecting her privacy" on "her" request to not dig for verification. Never trust anyone.

Im surprised this has taken this long. I remember seeing this years ago and since then realising how obvious it was. It kinda reminds me of Jessie tbh, it seemed easy to make big posts as her too.
It seems funny now after being called a mysogynist for dissagreeing with this person who was once described as a "pillar of the community" that they were hiding behind "Kelsey" as they hurled thier abuse and bowing for aplause.

I dont think varification should be any harder because of one person who went to such extremes to bypass it. People here express themselvs in many different ways that make others feel they are being lied to, you just have to remember that unless you meet somebody in person, you dont really know who they are.

This is just...BEYOND fucked up. Makes me glad I never bought the scenes, but for those who did...YIKES.

EDIT: Let me add that something about Kelsey's interactions were always sus to me, but "she" seemed to be a well-liked member of the forum, so eventually my suspicions waned.

Hard disagree. If you sell content, are a model or producer, you should absolutely be verified to the freaking gills. I don't care how "invasive" it is.

We have producers from here till Christmas groaning due to the draconian merchant policies against adult content because one, ONE group of scumbags thought it would be cute to coerce underage women into shooting porn for PH and now the entire industry is paying for it.

That's all it takes to bring this community down. Just one instance. We have had 2 major occurrences of deliberately deceptive behavior from a model/producer account in the past 6 months.

Also gone from Fetlife.

There Instagram account is gone now as well.

Also, that bogus profile pic soiled the good name of AC/DC!

Yeah I saw that lol. The person went full send with deleting everything.

So all 8 years' worth of photos on "her" instagram page... those were of the other girl who OP posted chat screenshots from? Or they were the now deceased woman?

The pictures of "Kelsey" in her profile pictures and the selfies are of the deceased woman. The photos that "Kelsey" claimed to be herself getting slimed, are actually of a fetish model (who is still living) and confirmed that it was from a slime shoot she did for "Kelsey." And of course, told me that "Kelsey" was never at the shoots, but confirmed that Todd was there.

I was more thinking of varification of members like me who dont run a store or any kind of model agency.
MM claims to work with all of the store owners on a personal level so id asume that they were all vetted personally by him in addition and not just relying on the varification system. Im sure that in future he will be a bit more careful with this process. Its this that seperates UMD from massive sites like PH.

Not yet on Instagram, but we'll see if that goes.