I hear people here offing a pass for life events that might have happened. I'm not down with that.

When a service is paid for then that service needs to be received. If there is indeed any event that happens in a model's life that would preclude her from doing the custom, she has choices:

1) Refund the payment
2) Give an email explanation as to what's going on and state the production will be delayed until "X" date.

Outside of being in a coma, I'm struggling to find why anyone cannot reply to a client's email.

I have indeed been in this situation and typically I end up getting a "family" or "personally issues" email. That's perfectly fine - just hit the "refund" button.

This is absurd. This could not look nor smell more like a rat.

- Same filming location as Chris
- Same style of mess as Chris
- Same geographical location as Chris
- Models have been in cahoots with Chris before
- Same MO of ducking out of customs after payment, including the excuses themselves

OP, you're not getting money back, plain and simple. It's Chris, or at least closely associated enough to him that we should all know how this is going to end. Maybe next time when he tries another scam cycle around these parts, he'll do a better job of concealing his old tracks. Somehow, I don't think that's happening.

As for going forward here, I think a public custom process rating system (similar to reviewing users on eBay) would be beneficial so we can avoid huge pissing contests like these. Not only would it continue to confirm the professionalism of those in the community that have a consistently great track record of custom productions, it would warm those of us in the market for a custom to be leery of others, especially those producers that are "new to the market".

ok now my little naughty minxes...let's all play nicely.

But Dad, I didn't start it! Lol! Noted!

I agree with you and I'm concerned about the models in question both offering sessions in London during a supposed europe trip. One did this and then vanished, and now the other is doing the same and has apparently stopped replying to mails. The time frames used concern me that anything paid by paypal will have buyer protection expire.

Having realised this and looked into a bit I am very concerned about anyone potentially handing over cash to these people (basically errr...chris)

Mods, MM, are you looking into this please? I'll report my own post just to catch attention...

Point of order, someone mentioned that these girls are in cahoots with Chris. Now, while I can only speculate, my guess is that these "girls" were and have been Chris from the getgo, none have come here and made posts, none have engaged in conversations with anyone via PMs and it's been him the whole time, as is also his MO.

These girls are probably at some point also victims of him as he also has a reputation for abusing the models that work for him and non-payment.

I suppose one way of staying safe is going on the model/producers existing reputation. For example models like Jessie and Custard Couple do loads of custom stuff, they always deliver, they don't mess people around (no pun intended) and as a result they get lots of commissions because people rightly trust them. I've just started dipping my toe into custom work again and luckily I've been taken as being as good as my word by the clients who both paid very promptly. In return I made bloody sure I did the shoots as soon as I could and as closely to their instructions as possible.

The treatment Guarded has had is inexcusable in my view.

I would like to first start off by saying that, I DO NOT have a connection with “Guarded” the OP of this thread.

I started filming videos last year in the fall.

If some could remember, I was shy and didn’t know how I felt about making videos for Gia. I was already on the fence on the idea because one of my professional regular jobs. Not so much by second part time job. I didn’t know how I would feel about being a girl known for doing fetish videos. That wasn’t really the direction I was looking to go into. From the time I met Gia, to the time I started making videos, I really didn’t see any signs that I would feel like I am getting duped. She was well liked and fun to be around.

I was convinced and decided to give it a try. Gia hired me and paid me for doing the videos. It was great and made some decent money. I found it not to be so bad after all and was pretty fun. Before I did any videos, I made it a point that I wanted all my videos free and clear of any full nudity. I didn’t even want my videos at the time mixed in with her explicit videos. I had terms I set to make me comfortable doing this and they were agreed upon and signed a paper stating they would be respected.

Several months back, Gia was planning on doing sessions in the UK, potentially with Selena. I was asked if I would join in. Although it seemed tempting at the time, couldn't commit and glad I didn’t. I had to work and couldn’t get out of it. I also had to help take care of my mom who went through a recent surgery. Nothing major but was significant enough where I didn't feel comfortable traveling terribly far so soon. Not long after her trip that was cancelled do to her flights grounded for 2 days because of a recent storm, I was THEN told she'd be selling off her sites including my videos and she was going to take a break from filming and production as a whole.

I offered to buy the videos she produced of me. I was told no, I can't because she was selling everything off as a whole package deal. I recently saw another producer on here doing the same, “DM”. I couldn’t force her since I did sign a paper saying, she at the time retained exclusive rights. I was very upset because I wanted to own any material which included me if she was just going to sell it off. I was willing to even give her whatever she was asking. Now, because she sold it to someone else who offered to purchase it all as a sum, I am having to start from scratch again as you may see in my download store. All brand new videos that I am doing myself. I am still learning with every shoot I do. This is a learning process for me and I am no professional in this field.

I just wish people know that I'm also unhappy with her and I feel for people but I don't like to get into business with other people I know so little about, especially when the business dealings didn't involve me personally.

I agree with this 100%. "Life" isn't an excuses for being irresponsible. Sadly I end up in the ER often due to my health issues and there have been times I have had to ask my husband to call a photographer to cancel a shoot or send out an email on my behalf. There is no legitimate reason to take someone's money and then ignore them or refuse to give them a refund.

I don't know which is worse: That Chris CONTINUES to pull the same scams he's been pulling for 4 years now, or that he keeps getting away with it.

Just out of curiosity, what makes his "girls" so much more enticing than the ones from producers (including myself) who are reputable and vetted by other members of the community? I'm not putting down the OP or others... I'm genuinely curious. Is he ("she") offering a much better rate? Certain acts that others won't perform? I'd just kinda like to know.

Cuz even the stuff he did ACTUALLY produce, years ago, was borderline sh**ty.

Yep. I remember almost getting burned on a custom some years back. Like 2 months after zero communication she resurfaces with talk about family issues.

So I asked her how she would feel if she purchased a $500 product on Amazon, never received it and Amazon's reply was "we just have an awful lot going on with the company now - it's a bad time. One of our shippers, Jim, just had his cat pass away."

Now I know better. I only pay through paypal because they do have great buyers protection and I never pay for a custom that cannot be finished within 2 weeks. Then I give 2 weeks past that deadline and if there's no communication and no video I reverse the charges. You can have a good heart, let it all drag on for months, then your buyer's protection expired.

FYI, the issue the OP is talking about has NOTHING to do with the person you think it does, so everything you just said makes you look like an idiot. Either know what you are talking about before you post or just stay silent. These kinds of problems need to be resolved by the people involved, not by random spectators who have no idea what they are talking about.

I seriously gave you more credit than this, but apparently your "I hate Chris" hardon is so big it's keeping you from actually finding out what's going on before you jump in with yet another attack on people you don't even know. As has been stated several times in the thread already, the OP's issue has NOTHING to do with anyone even remotely related to Chris. How about staying out of this and letting the people who actually have the facts take care of it?

Can we make a new rule. If you think you are being scammed, by somebody on the UMD, report it to the mods. The mods have the ability to look into detailed information on users here, and their account history, and for model accounts I'm assuming more personal information than they know what to do with(thanks government). I think they can deal with the situation and get to the bottom of things much better than people here who are just speculating.
Messmaster, and the mods, have a vested interest in keeping this place free of scammers, and keeping things as discrete as possible. They don't want scammers here any more than we do. Then, anytime a scammer gets outed, the mods can do a locked post alerting members of any action they took, and who to contact if they were scammed as well.

It doesn't. As usual, you just pulled a wild assumption out of your ass. Stay out of it.

Thank you Soundguy for putting an end to this stupid speculation. I've known Skylar since she first came on the scene and felt that she was getting a raw deal here. She wasn't even aware that she had already been implicated and found guilty because her apartment was painted brown like someone else's. Then she goes on record trying to have stayed as loyal as she could to Gia and explains her situation and of course, not one apology from the conspiracy theorists.

If you want young models to give to the community and get involved you don't fucking trash them and then try to pretend that nothing happened!

And in case you are wondering, this is not Chtis steeling someone's account!

Woah, woah, woah!

I leave for a day and...

Anyways, an update:

First of all, I don't know who Chris is.

Second, the model is most likely not a routine scammer, as she has delivered TWICE in the past.

Third, I did not start this thread to hint or speculate. I started the thread for two reasons: one, to get advice and, two, to light a fire under asses.

Anyways, someone saying he is the model's cameraman has contacted me through her account and said that, indeed, hard times are afoot, and I can expect the vid in a few weeks. This is all I asked for.

Having received quality work from this person in good faith before, I will respect her and wait. At this point, I will respond to private messages you guys have sent later tonight. I want to thank all those who have helped me with advice and, especially, the mods.

Seeing as this has, perhaps, gotten out of hand, mods, you can shut this thing down if you want. Thanks.

Okay, maybe we shouldn't close this, just so we can clear the air. After reading my PMs, I see that there is some unnecessary drama going on here.

The model in question is NOT SKYLAR. Or Gia. Or Chris (a girl's name? or not, if you swing that way, that's cool, or maybe he's a cameraguy, or a producer, whatever, this is confusing to an outsider).

As a matter of fact, Skylar was one of the first people to PM me, reassuring me that I was doing the right thing, so good on her.

Anyways, as I am not throwing names around, I would request ya'll refrain as well.

Blind Items + UMD = Clusterfuck

Is the UMD operating on a ten second delay now?

Hiding... behind... a forum profile name.

You want my phone number? Perhaps you would like to come meet me at a forum meet up next time I'm in the UK? Plenty of people have met me, know me by my real name and I stay in touch with - Including someone I am about to clash with. You are as welcome as anyone to drop me a line and have a conversation with neither of us hiding behind a forum profile name. You'll probably like me. I'm great











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Give me your lunch money.







I seem to remember you defending the hell out of Chris about three calamities ago with him. Instead of assuming I pull wild assumptions out of my ass, perhaps you should climb off your high horse and pay attention occasionally instead of keep enabling him.

This is a thread available to any member of the UMD to read and comment on, which has been pointed out to me in this thread already. If someone is getting screwed again, it's at least 50/50 it involves Chris. Therefore, I have at least of a 50/50 chance of being more relevant than the majority of people posting here who also have no idea who the OP is on about.

If you don't want people to talk and speculate about a thread on a forum on the internet, maybe you should do your job and close the thread rather than insulting people - and maybe represent the UMD a bit better by moderating rather than being belligerent.

Man, that's harsh... if their is a next time, hit up the owner. He is good people and wouldn't stand for that.

I'm being scammed by the same person as guarded its pissed me off that not contact have been made to me just to let me know what's going on I just want my money back and I will be telling everyone who it is if I don't hear anything soon I think it's wrong as they are still uploading videos

At this point I'm hoping as much for the model/producer to be revealed as I am for this to be resolved. And it's not for the sake of gossip or idle curiosity, but because behavior like this has a tendency to recur. And maybe this is a bad analogy, but if someone goes to an expensive restaurant and the food takes forever and maybe there were other problems, but somehow the restaurant fixes thing so in the end you get what you pay for but the experience is stil lousy overall, wouldn't you want to tell other folks who you know are likely to go to the same restaurant for a special occasion?

its kayden666 that has scqammed us ive sent her lots of money in good faith and she doesnt contact me for weeks yet still post up new videos i just want my money back not a happy chappy been robbed

kaydens666, not kayden666.

Her profile suggests she's without a computer at the moment, however she last logged in on Monday. Knowing more regarding how much time has passed and what the last communication was between you would be helpful, although I have to admit in this day and age that the notion someone doesn't have access to a computer or smart phone to log in here and send a message strikes me as off. Plus, whatever the problem is, she was able to log in on Monday.

Heck, if you're gonna get a custom done, especially an expensive one, go through a known studio. I paid 5K for a pie custom, but it was with the late Rob Blaine, so I knew I was in good hands.

Before we go any further, can we please make sure this doesn't become a community witch hunt and Iet Guarded, the moderators and the model sort this out between them? Fillmypanties, I'm not doubting you or belittling your experience but we can't start harassing Kaydens ourselves. That's not our job, it's cruel and it's counterproductive. I'm not saying that's necessarily what you're advocating, but it's how some people might take it.

Besides, we haven't given the mods time to sort things out or even confirmed that them and Guarded are dealing with the same model as you. This is exactly why he didn't want to post her name unless all else fails, and I think we should act like it's stayed that way.

I think the mods closing this thread (even if temporarily) is a good idea, Jack.

This thread is stating to resemble a witch hunt, with folks pointing fingers and making possibly baseless claims.

There were already a couple of false accusations made on this thread. It should probably be closed before it gets worse.

Does this mean I can't break out the torch and pitchfork?

"No,I'm just giving in to mob mentality!"-Homer Simpson

PS-I have a hard time believing that Kaydens is purposely scamming anybody.Plus, she makes the little soldier in my pants stand at attention. Was that too much information for anyone?It was for me.