Is there a substance that hasn't been exploited? Is there an idea for a video that hasn't been done? The folks ordering customs right now --- are you asking for something outside the box? Or just something that's been done already but there is not enough of?

I guess it feels to me that the WAM formula of girl(s) + substance(s) + premise is tapped out for new ideas because there is only so much you can do with it.

Thoughts?

There are a ton of mainstream scenarios that have never (or very infrequently) been recreated in wam videos, because of budget and scale issues.

And others that should be doable on producers' budgets, but never seem to happen, I guess because the talent pool is small. Off the top of my head, I'd shell out big-time for (1) a full-on muddy blowjob (or g/g oral sex) (2) Two black or Latina girls mud wrestling. That should be doable, but it never happens.

There's a huge amount that hasn't been done. Just speaking personally, I've got literally dozens of scenarios scripted or outlined that I'm pretty certain haven't been done, or are twists and variations on classic gags and tropes. I think it's just that producers typically find a schtick that they enjoy and that sells and more or less repeat that.

The wam scene is done. It's become quite boring. Nothing new to see. All the ideas have been done 10 times over. It's just a rehash of the same old stuff over and over again. Very repetitive. Same models, or same type of models, same scenarios, etc, every time. Seriously, how many times can you keep paying to see the same model pied. We've always tried to do something a bit different, but people seem to prefer seeing the same thing over and over again. For that reason alone we decided to not be just another small fish in a big sea of diluted wam. Me and my significant other now make wam pretty much for our own enjoyment. There are a few pie producers who got in at the right time, built up a big and steady following, and have never looked back. Any "new" material has already been done. Anyone making minimal profits, or no profit, or breaking even - and is doing it just for the "love of wam" is full of crap. The wam scene is over. If anything "new" comes out, please let me know. I'd really like to see it.

Since every model is different, and every pie lands differently, I'm not bored with it having been "done" before.

I've ordered a few customs...some from Messygirl with my favorite model (London Andrews) in an outfit I wanted to see her wear, and a couple from new models I thought were really great. It's only repetitive if you don't recognize the difference in how models look, feel about it, react to it, etc. I'm a big fan of the human element.

What I wish producers would do to shake it up a bit is to add more plot, character development, motivation, etc. In my opinion WAMerica is doing the best job at this. Messygirl also does a great job, and I tend to favor their work a bit more because they have a knack for finding models that really impress me.

If I have my druthers, I think the next territory in WAM might be more crossovers...more Pie/Catfights, Pie/Wrestling (different from wrestling in messy substances), ENF/EUF WAM of the sort that Sillyfilms has explored... WAM/Spanking...WAM/Facesitting, etc. There's been tons of WAM bondage, but these above things haven't been overdone yet.

There is new and creative stuff comming out all the time! Guys, your living in the WAM silver age! I have seen a big up tick in creativity and new stores new models, new concepts, and shit guys, you have me! I'm bringing pie fighting robots and magical floating pies, epic pie fights between good and evil!

And even if you put me aside, we have had wam Shakespeare and wam stinkface wrestling and Watch wam!!!


It's getting more creative and diverse imho, every year. It's far from dead. It's thriving!

I don't even think to ask myself about is there a "substance." What I always ask is if there is a "situation" or "scene" that hasn't been exploited.....and I answer "yes...there are many." Firstly, because I believe it....and secondly because I like talking to myself.

Robby
WAMma Lamma Pie
www.wammalamapie.com

www.shepiestheguy.com

There's loads of stuff still to be done, and also load of stuff that has been done that could have been done better - potentially epic scenes ruined by terrible videography, or lack of lighting, or models who didn't understand it, or dozens of other things that can spoil a scene. Just because one producer has done something doesn't mean another can't do the same thing with an all-new take on it that transforms something from a "meh" to a "this is the greatest scene ever filmed!!!" Plus of course the audience is ever-changing - there are people on the UMD today who weren't even born when the on-line WAM scene started in the mid-90s, and hence never saw the work of that era's greats like Messy Fun or Crazy Girls.

And there are also lots of ideas that haven't been attempted yet. We have some all-new ideas lined up for the coming shooting season, and I'm sure other producers will have their own new concepts too.

Every gunging is different. Even when the basic concept is the same, the goo never flows exactly the same way twice, so the results and reactions are different every time.

Especially in recent years, I have found that the most creative & elaborate scenarios I try tend to take the longest amount of time to set up, shoot, and edit... And sell the poorest.

I still like to come up with new wrinkles on the old formula, but these days I'm far more like to experiment with new pie substances rather than an elaborate skit idea. It simply makes no sense to spend MUCH more time and effort to get LESS sales. Sadly, I can't imagine a scenario where I'd do something as involved as the "SAW" parody today... The market just isn't there.

And don't get me wrong: I'm not complaining. I still have nice sales in my stores, and occasionally a new scene will really connect with an audience. But it is NEVER because of a unique plot... Or character development... Or a particularly unique script. It's because A LOT OF GUYS LIKED THE GIRL AND/OR WHAT SHE WAS WEARING.

[Or to illustrate: I released two very different Kylie scenes for SS137. One was a well-written Star Wars parody with lots of meta-comedy jokes, scene-within-scene, and a long green-screen sequence that took AGES to put together. The other one can literally be summed up in one sentence: "Hot girl in a slingshot bikini gets very messy." Three guesses which scene sold FIVE TIMES as much as the other. ]

nope. it hasnt all been done. we have so many ideas that we are attempting to get funding for via sales and people with similar interests that we want to do!! We have some pretty amazing stuff up our sleeve i have never seen recreated or done.
also, i agree with the wam bondage. I have never really seen some real deal bondage to the limit done in wam. I have seen a little but not much. I think that we can all use our imaginations on that one! I know I have!
we are in a new era, yes. The only thing is, we ARE entering an era where younger people are coming into wam and want to see more sex. That does make it harder for us that do not do that for sale in our stores but, that is just how fetish goes! Different times, different fans, different buyers, the times will change! You just have to decide how you are gonna do. are you gonna cater to the fans? are you only going to cater to what you like to do? or do like us and have a nice mixture of both? The thing i love most about wam is it IS limitless. you can always find something new. even the smallest thing can MAKE a scene stand out to people or person.
i just think that if people want to see something in particular, order a custom! i know us girls do our very best to make sure you get to see what you want as reasonably as we can!
and you are right, as much as some people get tired of seeeing the same old thing (which i never feel like it is the "same old thing" it is always fucking fantastic to me, we always make everything a little different or have a different experience with it) what is considered "the same old thing" is usually what sells the best.
I know, we strive to make scenes that we have done before, always different in some way. Always adding something that we didn't do before to change the game. makes it fun! just my two cents.
have a lovely day!

I'm with Jayce...I have the ideas, just no funding. Life is expensive, life is more expensive trying to afford cases of black treacle for my next scene.

This is so not true! I've produced a few gunge tank videos and they're totally different to the other producers who make gunge tank vids. Yes mine are more old-school where the model simply turns up, takes a seat and is gunged, whereas other producers like to have games or quizzes.
The models are not always the same and the substance isn't always the same, resulting in a different scene every time.
I have been bombarded with messages from people asking to have a go in the gunge tank, and many of them are young newbies so there is a whole new generation of wammers coming into the scene and they wouldn't know about the old Tiswas and NHP tv shows that got most of us started. But i would agree that us older generation have seen a lot more than the younger newbies
But the scene is changing all the time. Take this site for instance and look at how it was a few years ago...

And in response to the original question, it seem that gunge and pies are the big leaders in messy substances, but food-stuffs seems to be a bit patchy - producers will do a few food scenes and then it goes back to the mud/gunge/pies.
Just keep an eye on the forums and see what topics are trending at the top throughout the day and then you'll see what people are interested in.


Katie x

New ideas don't have to be elaborate.

Think outside the pie chair. (figuratively...not literally. Ok..what the hell...literally too).

Robby
WAMma Lamma Pie
www.wammalamapie.com

www.shepiestheguy.com

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing more lesbian hardcore activity such as fisting and consensual BDSM play like you see one Kink.com websites intermingled with WAM, that avenue alone would open up all sorts of angles

I love wam, and I love intense tickle torture. Why hasn't there been a video where both are being done at the same time? I'd pay to see that

Reading this makes me feel incredible sad. It's so lacking in hope and I am not being unkind as I can see why you would think negatively. It's quite hard to be positive when you have lost your passion for something. I don't think it matter how popular a producer/model/anyone is or how well received a scene or photoset is as long as fun was had when it was being made. So much material is really, really appreciated even if it has been done before. A lot of producers use the same formulas for most of their scenes but there is something in that familiarity that is comforting and builds up the anticipation when you almost know what is coming next. and the more you do something, the better it gets right? I know that repeition can be somewhat of a bore but you have to look at it in a different way. Stop trying to seek out the negatives and look for that little spark of imagination and make the most of what we have. We are spoilt in my opinion. Let's not be greedy!

Jessie xx
www.messy-jessie.com

To this day there's plenty of clothes filling I've yet to see done. Alas it's not the most popular niche. I.e.: I've yet to see a sweat pants or yoga pants filling set unless I missed something, I've yet to see a shirt duct-taped and filled up on the DL store, etc. etc.

There's also lots of male IBYW bets I wouldn't mind seeing remade with women that I haven't seen done.

Its always difficult in knowing what to do next. We started out with pure and simple Dunk Tank videos with a silly quiz with girls dropping int water. When I wanted to fill the tank with gunge people said we were mad but were desperate to see it and video sales told us that. Now though, its been done so many times its just a case of different quiz, different model, different outfit and different coloured gunge but sales tell us that doesn't make much difference now.

When we built our Gunge Tank it was both for the hire business and films so it wouldn't be the end of the world if films didn't sell. Again, the first batch were immensely popular but once you've done it a few times the novelty must wear off. Our Gunge Tank videos are a bit different as we do multiple gungings but as there are now a few other Gunge Tank producers sales have tailed off with people seeming to have had too many gunge tank videos that are very samey. Our Gungey Castle videos were again very popular but think that was a one off as well. With what we do I'm not sure what could be done differently to provide something new. We now have a second Dunk Tank so we will be doing double dunkings when it warms up with 2 girls fighting not to be dunked in a quiz but thats likely to be water rather than gunge. In terms of video quality we've now gone 4k with our other work so video quality will be improved yet again but I really don't think people are too worried about quality to that level.

With so many people producing films now I guess the way forward is to find a new niche in WAM or combining it with another fetish.

You might like the set we promoted in this post: umd.net/forums/would_anyone_like_to_see_this

Rotated off the siteva while back but is now in the queue for Download Store release.

Well, now that we've had some watch wam, I'd say "Yep, it's all been done!"

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Nooo, I think there's more that can be done. Particularly more wam and bondage or submission combined.

And you know, just about the time that we've given up on anything new, someone will come along and do "something" that is totally different, or different enough that people will really take notice ........ :devil:

In the meantime, I'm enjoying all that we have now!

Norman

Hot dang, I totally missed that one. Thanks for sharing.

Loads of things we're waiting for in the mainstream media. Female host of the KCAs, for instance. Or a female host of a messy game show whose modus demands the host get gunged every episode.

One of the things touched on earlier which I would find interesting is to re-enact mainstream scenes where a male was gunged using females, definitely one I would like to see happen.

Right! We don't even have to come up with original material, just remaking the classics would be a great start! There's so much more to be done.

It has not "all been done" yet in my opinion. There is a lot of stuff out there repeating the same scenarios/substances but that is because there are people who enjoy and buy those scenes, like Jess said: it's sort of comforting and if people wanna buy that over and over I think that is just fine for them. There is still tons of stuff that has yet to be produced that could be: costumes, bondage, sex toys, hard core G/G and B/G stuff, bigger locations/sets - the list could go on and on. I do sometimes think that it seems like certain things I would like to see might never really get made but that certainly doesn't make me fall into abject despair or say that it's all done and that WAM is over. I just have optimism that someday someone might make the type of scenes I really want to see but for now I have no problem enjoying the current/same style video(s) as long as the models are having fun.

The problem is not that it has or has not been done, or what substances it has been done with, but rather the people who are doing it. Given the increasing popularity of WAM, the whole thing has been saturated by producers who don't care about their content. The first WAM I ever saw was good ol' 'Splosh'. 'Splosh' was fun, slapstick, ironic, erotic, witty and very sensual. The women loved what they were doing, and it was beautiful. It was distinctly British and 'Carry-On' in sensibility. (Americans just can't do Splosh.) Because of the saturation and the overload, the world of WAM has taken a turn for the nasty - bored models, dumb teenagers, nasty BDSM, humiliation. Fuck all that freak-show shit. I want to see people enjoying themselves, having fun. I'll never get bored seeing a girl schlepping gleefully around in beans, or plonking her nude bum down on a big gooey cake, and letting us know hoe good it feels. A few people are still flying the flag

Sadly, yes. There is nothing more to live for.

For Alexander the Great once wept when he had no more women to pie, and was out of pies, too.

I just can't believe no-one has produced a mentos/cola fountain clip. I think it'd be spectacular.

I would take issue with almost all of this. The world of technology has meant that more and more people have come into wam, both producers and audience. Producers have to make a living so they will go with what sells. I think it is harsh to say they don't care about their content..its just that they are in business. If they are saturating the market, its because they are giving the market what it wants

Purists who like their wam in the way you describe (& I love that kind of wam myself) are a minority in wam. There are other equally valid views on what wam should be and a lot of them are more popular. However if you take out the producers who make a living from it, you still find plenty of people who, provided they don't lose tons of money, will make the clips they like. There is more variety than ever before..just have a look around.

Of the type of clips you mention, I think Messy Jessie does a lot in that vein. I think Slapstick Stuff (American btw) captures a whole lot of the spirit of splosh with dreadful corny jokes (that's a compliment Rich) and comedy sketches, and if Shelley doesn't enjoy wam, who does? The people who loved the splosh style stuff (& I 100% count myself in that) haven't gone away, its just that other interpretations of the fetish have come along and are more popular.
For people trying to make a living they will go with what sells and who can blame them

Personally I don't like my wam combined with fucking machines or dildos or sex but that's cool. I get round this particular problem by the technique of..not buying those clips, and buying the ones I like.

However, and I truly don't mean this facetiously, if you think there is a gap in the market...why not make your own? I am thinking of making some clips and what has amazed me from talking to tony hill, Jessie, wamerica etc is they don't have £3,000 cameras and lighting rigs and that to make a clip, provided you are viewing it as a hobby on which you won't make any money, isn't as impossible a dream as you may think