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"How the UMD Handles Privacy and Harassment"
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Nein said: In a previous message in this thread, when I mentioned above that an administrator/mod had deleted a comment I had made in response to a lady poster, I was referring to the astute comment about exif data which Anna had made in the Justine thread.
Aaaand I still feel like exif data is a pretty important problem.
Aaaaand since I haven't seen any action on it by admins, I've sometimes taken it upon myself to alert vulnerable posters that their GPS coordinates are visible. In one case, sadly, it led to a user who was being doxxed to take down their (totally awesome) photo album. What a lose-lose situation.
Don't make me choose between you two.
...no wait, Regis never accepted my friend request. So. Yeah! Fuck that guy!
Aaaand I still feel like exif data is a pretty important problem.
Aaaaand since I haven't seen any action on it by admins, I've sometimes taken it upon myself to alert vulnerable posters that their GPS coordinates are visible. In one case, sadly, it led to a user who was being doxxed to take down their (totally awesome) photo album. What a lose-lose situation.
AnnaLee said: It took me about 15 picoseconds to figure out that Regis is a silly troll and tries to derail every serious discussion on the forums.
Don't make me choose between you two.
...no wait, Regis never accepted my friend request. So. Yeah! Fuck that guy!
Ouch, regarding the exif data. That and other information can expose you (pardon the pun, or not) if you're not expecting it. Learning how to be safe and lowering the possibility of harassment is probably a good idea.
I like the guidelines that a certain reddit sub gives to it's people (/r/gonewild). Basically:
Okay, so how can I protect myself and my intellectual property?
"Anonymize" yourself.
Make a throw-away account. This is just an alternate "risky-business-only" reddit account. Yes, it's okay to do. Make sure the username is completely original and not something that could be tied back to you. Don't have your name or initials in it. Don't have your birth year in it, don't have your pets' names in it. Don't have ANYTHING that someone could google and land on a page 6 degrees from you in it.
Don't include your face in your pictures. Crop your face out with an image editor, keep your face outside the frame in the first place, or obfuscate your face with the camera flash. If you become a regular or have balls/tits of steel, we are not going to kick you out for including your face, but we never actively recommend it. It has to be your decision, and should only happen after you accept that family and friends will recognize you (maybe they won't, but assume the worst).
Just as you've excluded your face, exclude other things that could be used to identify you. You should blur out tattoos or maybe certain birth marks someone could recognize if they've seen you in a low cut or sleeveless shirt. Don't stand next to the wacky lamp that everyone in your dorm knows you for. Don't pose seductively on the hood of a car with your license plate showing. We're not looking for a boring mugshot of you in front of a blank white wall, though. You CAN be creative even under these constraints. Take it up as part of the challenge. Dress up your room a little! Reverse the comforter on your bed. Clear off the bathroom counter. Do anything to make the picture look sexy and fun, but make yourself a little less recognizable--a little harder to place. This is your alter ego!
When you do upload your picture to the internet, use a service that strips EXIF data from your photo. If you don't know what that means, use imgur.com. Quick summary: when you take a photo with your phone or a modern camera, information about your location (and more!) is stored along with the picture. Imgur deletes all this to protect you, but other sites may not.
Consider watermarking your images with your reddit username. People will link to your images, or even download and re-host them. If you overlay your username with an image editor, people will at least know that image came from here. All watermarks can be defeated, but most people simply won't bother. Do not watermark with a different username or a URL, etc, as it would be considered advertising.
If you use a site such as imgur that allows single-use "throw away" posts, consider using an account instead. If you create an account, you will always be able to browse your pictures and remove them later. If you do not create an account, it's a little harder to get your image removed later if you change your mind.
Ok, I got the solution for real this time. Just close down all the forums and just leave the stores open. Then no one can insult anyone, or stalk them, or any other shit. We will have succeeded in "fixing" so many of these problems. This has kind of gotten off topic and just turned into a shit slinging flame war. And while we're all about mess here at UMD, there is a strict policy about scat.
Clearly, the Golden Rule is just beyond some people's ability to grasp.
Clearly, the Golden Rule is just beyond some people's ability to grasp.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
Nein said: ...no wait, Regis never accepted my friend request. So. Yeah! Fuck that guy!
Holy shit, I have like 13 unnoticed friend requests. Guess I fucked that up. Sorry about that, would-be friends!
Do I have to worry about metadata if I'm not using a camera or smartphone? The only media I ever post here is stuff found on the net, via my PC. Lord knows the Regemeister doesn't need six hulking Slapstickonian goons showing up on his doorstep to deliver a beatdown.
Can Reege be a mod?
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
Regis said: Do I have to worry about metadata if I'm not using a camera or smartphone? The only media I ever post here is stuff found on the net, via my PC.
Honestly, these days, I have no idea. We live in really strange times and there's metadata everywhere. I think other people here might have better answers.
I use the new Firefox, which is supposedly helpful. I should probably also use a VPN, but the speeds are pretty slow.
About exif data. AFAIK, you should only have to worry about exif data for photos you take yourself, specifically with your iPhone and suchlike (though you can turn exif data off if you adjust your settings). That said, if you share photos you've found online, some of those photos might still have the original data, and then you'd be exposing the people who initially posted the photo to increased risk.
It's really troubling. You can literally find the exact address of where some photos are taken using Google Earth and Street View.
ItsJay said: I honestly think the way to stop people getting harassed or getting messages that creep them out is to let the person behind their profile chose who can message them. I threw together a picture on how I think the message system should work 
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
God. Damn. Wow.
Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"? Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
AnnaLee said: It took me about 15 picoseconds to figure out that Regis is a silly troll and tries to derail every serious discussion on the forums. And this is why I ignore whatever he writes. I see Bea in the avatar, I skip the post. Easy peasy squeezy cheesy, it's not difficult. I'm interested in the discussion, and not in attempts at humor (if you can call it that 90% of the time). Someone said that there's a fine line between being funny and being a dick, and if you can't figure out where that is, just say nothing. Clearly, that ship has sailed! But again, a middling annoyance, and not a barrier to entry to the UMD.
And since I'm now on a roll to get banned for life from the UMD forums for openly criticizing a local favorite, there's this:
I'm way uncomfortable with the suggestion of Candy as a mod. When I respectfully disagreed with her on the old "Justine" thread in the forums (I even started with "I must very respectfully disagree." and continued to be polite and professional), I got chats from two different people telling me not to disagree with Candy, or to argue; that she was an old-timer with a lot of respect and power here, and that I'd better watch myself. Now of course I wish I'd saved those chats. I recall being told "Don't cross her" and "You could be sorry". Now why would that be? If you're one of the gentlemen who chatted me about that, maybe you can explain what that was about?
She's also made it clear that there's no place for anonymity here. Ok, well, that's fine too, if that's what eventually comes to pass. I'd be sad to leave this kinky messy little corner of the interwebs, but I'd get over it pretty quickly.
**https://umd.net/forums/thoughts-on-justine
And since I'm now on a roll to get banned for life from the UMD forums for openly criticizing a local favorite, there's this:
I'm way uncomfortable with the suggestion of Candy as a mod. When I respectfully disagreed with her on the old "Justine" thread in the forums (I even started with "I must very respectfully disagree." and continued to be polite and professional), I got chats from two different people telling me not to disagree with Candy, or to argue; that she was an old-timer with a lot of respect and power here, and that I'd better watch myself. Now of course I wish I'd saved those chats. I recall being told "Don't cross her" and "You could be sorry". Now why would that be? If you're one of the gentlemen who chatted me about that, maybe you can explain what that was about?
She's also made it clear that there's no place for anonymity here. Ok, well, that's fine too, if that's what eventually comes to pass. I'd be sad to leave this kinky messy little corner of the interwebs, but I'd get over it pretty quickly.
**https://umd.net/forums/thoughts-on-justine
Ok this just got a bit surreal. Disagreeing with me is absolutely fine, it's all part of life and rich a community, and I have absolutely no consequence I could inflict (or even want to anyway! whaa??) also please bear in mind it was not me who told you not to disagree with me and do away with the grudge you hold against me for something said without my knowledge or any truth
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
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ItsJay said: I honestly think the way to stop people getting harassed or getting messages that creep them out is to let the person behind their profile chose who can message them. I threw together a picture on how I think the message system should work
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
I have no idea where this 'get on the wrong side of me' shit has come from
I mean I've told off some trolls in the past but well.. they were trolls. On the wrong side of... everyone.
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ItsJay said:
Candy is one of the most down to Earth people I have ever spoken to. Even if she hated your guts, she will treat your fair and just like everyone else. You can talk to her, ask for help and she will bend over backwards to help you.
What I mean is, if she has found proof of harassment, stalking, violence or anything like that, she will not fuck around. She will have you removed from the site.
Years ago, when I was 18, 19, I joined the site, and trolled people and lied about things, just to try and "Fit in" and get attention. I would waste peoples time. Candy was the first person to give me a second chance. So, from first hand experience, I know she is one of the most fair people I have ever spoke to.
[name removed] said:
I don't know enough about Candy to say either way but...it worries me a little the way this was phrased. I would hope it's more "break the rules, do something unfair or wrong...and you are finished". The way this was worded makes it sound more like, "If she doesn't like you..." which, to me, seems more like opinion than "right versus wrong". Know what I mean?
I'm assuming that's what you meant, Jay...? I hope, anyway.
ItsJay said: As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
I don't know enough about Candy to say either way but...it worries me a little the way this was phrased. I would hope it's more "break the rules, do something unfair or wrong...and you are finished". The way this was worded makes it sound more like, "If she doesn't like you..." which, to me, seems more like opinion than "right versus wrong". Know what I mean?
I'm assuming that's what you meant, Jay...? I hope, anyway.
Candy is one of the most down to Earth people I have ever spoken to. Even if she hated your guts, she will treat your fair and just like everyone else. You can talk to her, ask for help and she will bend over backwards to help you.
What I mean is, if she has found proof of harassment, stalking, violence or anything like that, she will not fuck around. She will have you removed from the site.
Years ago, when I was 18, 19, I joined the site, and trolled people and lied about things, just to try and "Fit in" and get attention. I would waste peoples time. Candy was the first person to give me a second chance. So, from first hand experience, I know she is one of the most fair people I have ever spoke to.
Ahhh I see. But I have also since spoken up when it was clear you'd been careful to change your ways and you had taken my advice. You were not 'finished' and I helped you
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AnnaLee said:
God. Damn. Wow. Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"?
Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
ItsJay said: I honestly think the way to stop people getting harassed or getting messages that creep them out is to let the person behind their profile chose who can message them. I threw together a picture on how I think the message system should work
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
God. Damn. Wow.
Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"? Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
Excuse me - I have not bullied anyone. Jay just went on to explain what he meant which was that I reported him for being a TROLL - the only thing that was finished was his trolling people which he fully admits.
I reported him, spoke to him and he was pissed off for a while but he came back and took my advice. I could see he had changed and was happy to tell people so. Where is the bullying here?
Can't help think you have a totally unjustified vendetta against me - you have pounced on selective soundbites out of context because you are only seeing what you want to see here and not what's actually happening at all.
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And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
AnnaLee said:
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
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CandyCustard said:
Excuse me - I have not bullied anyone. Jay just went on to explain what he meant which was that I reported him for being a TROLL - the only thing that was finished was his trolling people which he fully admits.
I reported him, spoke to him and he was pissed off for a while but he came back and took my advice. I could see he had changed and was happy to tell people so. Where is the bullying here?
Can't help think you have a totally unjustified vendetta against me - you have pounced on selective soundbites out of context because you are only seeing what you want to see here and not what's actually happening at all.
AnnaLee said:
God. Damn. Wow. Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"?
Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
ItsJay said: I honestly think the way to stop people getting harassed or getting messages that creep them out is to let the person behind their profile chose who can message them. I threw together a picture on how I think the message system should work
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
God. Damn. Wow.
Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"? Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
Excuse me - I have not bullied anyone. Jay just went on to explain what he meant which was that I reported him for being a TROLL - the only thing that was finished was his trolling people which he fully admits.
I reported him, spoke to him and he was pissed off for a while but he came back and took my advice. I could see he had changed and was happy to tell people so. Where is the bullying here?
Can't help think you have a totally unjustified vendetta against me - you have pounced on selective soundbites out of context because you are only seeing what you want to see here and not what's actually happening at all.
Bullshit, sister. Your comments and statements were in context, and the thread is still there (the context). I took your statements in direct context, Donald Trump. Try again.
Pure anonymity means No Data Whatsoever. That includes pics of any sort. Your ignorance of internet security practice doesn't excuse your opinion - it just makes it an uninformed opinion.
And do not, and I mean DO NOT, gaslight me. Do not tell me what I see, or what I want to see. You know nothing, Jane Snow. And as far as bullying? Well YOU didn't.. but people representing you did. Tackle that, then get back to me, Don Corleone.
How dare you. I'm serious. You have stated, now twice, your believe as to how to remain anonymous. One of your own - IN THIS THREAD - stated not to fuck with you ("fucking finishedf"). Ok, I get it, you didn't say it. You don't have to. Your people do it for you. Clear as day. How. Goddamed. Dare. You.
Funny thing. I don't have people chatting and being the heavy on other folks when they disagree, or "cross". What's that about?
I was born at night. But I was not born last night. I can see this clearly. Say what you will, but your "people" from the prior thread, and now ItsJay, have made it clear.
Something is up here. Whatever it is, it's baloney.
CandyCustard said:
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
AnnaLee said:
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
AnnaLee said:
Bullshit, sister. Your comments and statements were in context, and the thread is still there (the context). I took your statements in direct context, Donald Trump. Try again.
Pure anonymity means No Data Whatsoever. That includes pics of any sort. Your ignorance of internet security practice doesn't excuse your opinion - it just makes it an uninformed opinion.
And do not, and I mean DO NOT, gaslight me. Do not tell me what I see, or what I want to see. You know nothing, Jane Snow. And as far as bullying? Well YOU didn't.. but people representing you did. Tackle that, then get back to me, Don Corleone.
How dare you. I'm serious. You have stated, now twice, your believe as to how to remain anonymous. One of your own - IN THIS THREAD - stated not to fuck with you ("fucking finishedf"). Ok, I get it, you didn't say it. You don't have to. Your people do it for you. Clear as day. How. Goddamed. Dare. You.
Funny thing. I don't have people chatting and being the heavy on other folks when they disagree, or "cross". What's that about?
I was born at night. But I was not born last night. I can see this clearly. Say what you will, but your "people" from the prior thread, and now ItsJay, have made it clear.
Something is up here. Whatever it is, it's baloney.
CandyCustard said:
Excuse me - I have not bullied anyone. Jay just went on to explain what he meant which was that I reported him for being a TROLL - the only thing that was finished was his trolling people which he fully admits.
I reported him, spoke to him and he was pissed off for a while but he came back and took my advice. I could see he had changed and was happy to tell people so. Where is the bullying here?
Can't help think you have a totally unjustified vendetta against me - you have pounced on selective soundbites out of context because you are only seeing what you want to see here and not what's actually happening at all.
AnnaLee said:
God. Damn. Wow. Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"?
Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
ItsJay said: I honestly think the way to stop people getting harassed or getting messages that creep them out is to let the person behind their profile chose who can message them. I threw together a picture on how I think the message system should work
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
As for having a female mod, I think we should chose the mod on their skills and not their gender. I know Candy will be a great choice. She has the patience of a queen, very down to Earth, understanding and amazing to talk to. However, get on the wrong side of her, and you are fucking finished. I VOTE FOR CANDY!
God. Damn. Wow.
Well, there it is. Thank you, ItsJay, for positively confirming and affirming my experience that she's nothing more than a bully. And for confirming my inferences. You have just solidly and unequivocally confirmed what the two direct chatters said to me. And, so, "the wrong side" is anything she thinks it is? I politely disagree, or refuse to post a pic of myself, and, "I'm fucking finished"? Bring it on, futhermuckers.
Fuck this bullying nonsense with a barbed-wire corn-cob and fourteen prickly pipe-cleaners.
Fifteen, just for you.
Hey mods, what the flying five-fingered fuck is all of this about?
Excuse me - I have not bullied anyone. Jay just went on to explain what he meant which was that I reported him for being a TROLL - the only thing that was finished was his trolling people which he fully admits.
I reported him, spoke to him and he was pissed off for a while but he came back and took my advice. I could see he had changed and was happy to tell people so. Where is the bullying here?
Can't help think you have a totally unjustified vendetta against me - you have pounced on selective soundbites out of context because you are only seeing what you want to see here and not what's actually happening at all.
Bullshit, sister. Your comments and statements were in context, and the thread is still there (the context). I took your statements in direct context, Donald Trump. Try again.
Pure anonymity means No Data Whatsoever. That includes pics of any sort. Your ignorance of internet security practice doesn't excuse your opinion - it just makes it an uninformed opinion.
And do not, and I mean DO NOT, gaslight me. Do not tell me what I see, or what I want to see. You know nothing, Jane Snow. And as far as bullying? Well YOU didn't.. but people representing you did. Tackle that, then get back to me, Don Corleone.
How dare you. I'm serious. You have stated, now twice, your believe as to how to remain anonymous. One of your own - IN THIS THREAD - stated not to fuck with you ("fucking finishedf"). Ok, I get it, you didn't say it. You don't have to. Your people do it for you. Clear as day. How. Goddamed. Dare. You.
Funny thing. I don't have people chatting and being the heavy on other folks when they disagree, or "cross". What's that about?
I was born at night. But I was not born last night. I can see this clearly. Say what you will, but your "people" from the prior thread, and now ItsJay, have made it clear.
Something is up here. Whatever it is, it's baloney.
ok, well, it appears to me you have picked up and run with certain soudbites from jay because they fit your view of me, which you formed based on people I have no knowledge of telling you not to cross me.
I have absolutely nothing to do with anyone 'chatting the heavy' I was not aware of this happening at all until now and anyone out there doing this, I'm telling you now please stop
anyone is free to disagree with me and there are no consquences for disagreeing with me and there never will be
I will of course reply if I feel the disagreement is unjustified or has some vendetta but that imho is fine and all part of a rich community isn't it?
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AnnaLee said:
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
CandyCustard said:
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
AnnaLee said:
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong. I have explained my position and why, but I'll do it again
The harm I refer to is those fakers that 'catfish' or troll and arrange meets (like the australian guy I referred to in the earlier post) and/or toy with the emotions of regular wammers here
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CandyCustard said:
Yes you are wrong. I have explained my position and why, but I'll do it again
The harm I refer to is those fakers that 'catfish' or troll and arrange meets (like the australian guy I referred to in the earlier post) and/or toy with the emotions of regular wammers here
AnnaLee said:
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
CandyCustard said:
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
AnnaLee said:
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong. I have explained my position and why, but I'll do it again
The harm I refer to is those fakers that 'catfish' or troll and arrange meets (like the australian guy I referred to in the earlier post) and/or toy with the emotions of regular wammers here
Good to know.
And behavior makes sense. Because I could come up with a "pic" that everyone would believe is real, and would be untraceable, and none of you would know the difference (assuming none of you have the skills and resources to do this kind of forensics).
But if I catfished someone, and deliberately and meaningfully caused harm, well yeah, that's a community offense. If it isn't, it should be.
In fact, you know what? I go OUT OF MY WAY to indicate that the pics aren't real, and this is an avatar that frees me to express my kink here in a safe-to-me manner. I'm the anti-catfish. So, ya know, I take umbrage to being lumped-in with the Mississippi Mud just because I have a cartoon as a facepic.
I'm still concerned that followers of yours see fit to be your "shock troops" (my word). What the heck is up with that?
I will say that, should THAT happen to me again -- BOOM reported.
AnnaLee said:
Good to know.
And behavior makes sense. Because I could come up with a "pic" that everyone would believe is real, and would be untraceable, and none of you would know the difference (assuming none of you have the skills and resources to do this kind of forensics).
But if I catfished someone, and deliberately and meaningfully caused harm, well yeah, that's a community offense. If it isn't, it should be.
In fact, you know what? I go OUT OF MY WAY to indicate that the pics aren't real, and this is an avatar that frees me to express my kink here in a safe-to-me manner. I'm the anti-catfish. So, ya know, I take umbrage to being lumped-in with the Mississippi Mud just because I have a cartoon as a facepic.
I'm still concerned that followers of yours see fit to be your "shock troops" (my word). What the heck is up with that?
I will say that, should THAT happen to me again -- BOOM reported.
CandyCustard said:
Yes you are wrong. I have explained my position and why, but I'll do it again
The harm I refer to is those fakers that 'catfish' or troll and arrange meets (like the australian guy I referred to in the earlier post) and/or toy with the emotions of regular wammers here
AnnaLee said:
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
CandyCustard said:
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
AnnaLee said:
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
And I've been misunderstood here - anonymity is absolutely fine. However I believe anonymity can very easily be maintained in full while still posting messy pics and making it clear you are a genuine female.
I believe this is important for regular everyday wammers to know because I have over the years seen many fakers taking some close friends for a complete ride, playing with their emotions and even in some cases booking in fake sessions and meets to the extent that at one point an australian wammer went to the USA to meet the 'female wammer' he'd been talking to and sending money to only to be told by 'her brother' that she'd been in a car crash. Anyone who has seen even half an episode of catfish will recognise that as an absolute lie and a classic kind of thing to happen when a meet doesn't come to pass.
So please feel free to disagree away but I'm fed up of seeing my friends taken for a ride when there's some easy telltale signs I can point out that will stop that happening
Will you enforce this belief (ill-informed belief, I will add, and I do this kind of thing for a living) if you become a mod? Kick people who don't conform to your standard?
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
But "doing harm" is not posting a "real" pic, by your standard. Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong. I have explained my position and why, but I'll do it again
The harm I refer to is those fakers that 'catfish' or troll and arrange meets (like the australian guy I referred to in the earlier post) and/or toy with the emotions of regular wammers here
Good to know.
And behavior makes sense. Because I could come up with a "pic" that everyone would believe is real, and would be untraceable, and none of you would know the difference (assuming none of you have the skills and resources to do this kind of forensics).
But if I catfished someone, and deliberately and meaningfully caused harm, well yeah, that's a community offense. If it isn't, it should be.
In fact, you know what? I go OUT OF MY WAY to indicate that the pics aren't real, and this is an avatar that frees me to express my kink here in a safe-to-me manner. I'm the anti-catfish. So, ya know, I take umbrage to being lumped-in with the Mississippi Mud just because I have a cartoon as a facepic.
I'm still concerned that followers of yours see fit to be your "shock troops" (my word). What the heck is up with that?
I will say that, should THAT happen to me again -- BOOM reported.
That's exactly it, yes.
And also yes please do report anyone doing that. that goes for anyone else reading this too if you experience the same thing please tell me or a mod.
I do not and never have authorised or wanted anyone to be speaking for me this way especially when it is untrue, unfounded and threatening other members. That is not what I am about at all.
I have to go for now but welcome any further concerns or comments direct to my inbox especially if straying off topic
Peace out x
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ItsJay said: I honestly think the way to stop people getting harassed or getting messages that creep them out is to let the person behind their profile chose who can message them. I threw together a picture on how I think the message system should work
I like the idea of a "don't call me, I'll call you" option. However, I think we should keep the "friends can contact me" option too. Otherwise you've got a situation where two people become friends on UMD, but neither of them can send a message to the other unless one of them changes their settings to "accept messages from everyone".
As another idea, how about mimicking Facebook? If someone sends me a message but they're not a friend, it goes into an "Other" folder. I can scan through that every so often in case I've missed anything important, but my phone doesn't keep beeping at me
with new notifications.
ItsJay said: Sounds good mate. I do think a "Friends only" option could work, but I just assumed, if you would not want to message them first, then you probably would not want to be their friend. Thats just me.
In my case, I've met all of my UMD friends in person (e.g. at a splunch or the London Splosh Games), so that was an offline alternative to swapping messages first.
More generally, what's the point of being friends with someone on UMD? As far as I can tell, it's not like Facebook where you can share extra photos with your friends or get notifications when they post new stuff. The only practical benefit is that you can restrict your messages/chat requests to "friends only". In other words, if you removed those filter options then you might as well remove the whole friend concept.
CandyCustard said:
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
Of course not long as they are doing no harm, which is the general umd ethos.
I also said further upthread I wouldn't be moderator unless another female did it with me (Lisa or Mrs Bee have been mentioned... I'd also back Ariel) this is partly so that I'm not such an easy target but also to ensure fairness. No banning etc unless at least one other mod agrees.
I'd be happy to volunteer to be a female mod on the US side, depending on the time commitment. As in I work full time M-F so can't be logged in all day those days but would be fine otherwise. Can a current mod comment on how much time they spend here on average? Thanks!
Mrs. Bee
ItsJay said:
Nope. People just take things the wrong way.
fatmup said: Why are we talking like Candy is some kind of Mafia don? Have I missed something?
Nope. People just take things the wrong way.
I wouldn't say that's it entirely; people (unknowing to Candy) "intervened" on her behalf and the recipient took it as a warning and/or a threat. I would too, to be frank. Even in this thread, a correction had to be made by Jay, so, pretty demonstrable to be that things were also said and presented in the 'wrong way'. But, crisis over! Moving on, nothing to see here.
10000 times yes to Mrs Bee being a mod 
As much as I'm here all the time and would happily do the role of mod, the Moomins are fairly well known in the wonderful world of wam. I wouldn't want anyone to think it was overkill me being a mod.
This is a great community. There are plenty of people I think would make great mods.
Essentially it's MessMasters choice.
As much as I'm here all the time and would happily do the role of mod, the Moomins are fairly well known in the wonderful world of wam. I wouldn't want anyone to think it was overkill me being a mod.
This is a great community. There are plenty of people I think would make great mods.
Essentially it's MessMasters choice.
This is a most interesting post and something that I can certainly relate to having originally been an anonymous male in my original guise 15 years ago and then revealing my trans side to the site a few years back. In this latter form I must confess to having had an awakening as to what women endure at the hands of men, (yes really!) It does not happen often here but now and again I have picked up an odd friend who has revealed themselves to be devoid of social etiquette which truly beggars belief. Usually it will be a very direct comment about what they want to do to you, or a braggart announcing that they have a gigantic penis (Urgh, the last thing I need to be seeing!!) None of which upsets me, but rather angers me that they have not taken the time to read my profile or treat me as a woman I aspire to be. On the flip side you can encounter the socially shy online who post one word icebreakers and expect me to work on that... Part of the issue is I suppose is how do you break the ice without coming across aggressively or slow and dull. Not that poor behaviour to women is any excuse but I just think these men simply don't know how to engage...
This is a problem that needs to be addressed and better now than later, yes there have been mistakes made here on this site but isn't that not the case in all walks of life, as we have been seeing in the media... Not much consolation I know, but I have seen worse male buffoonery on trans sites, its not just a WAM problem.
My only council on this would be as already mentioned, female MODs, is absolutely paramount and will send out a strong message that this is not simply a male den. As for concerns over who is a MOD, perhaps the MOD should be able to act in the short term but then a court of MODS should then ratify the decision making.
I would also like to see a MOD report posted each month updating us all on the offences committed and the actions taken against the offender. Again this will send out a message that you will be named and shamed and your offences made public, this to ensure new comers that this is a desired safe space.
This is our house, lets keep it tidy....
xx
This is a problem that needs to be addressed and better now than later, yes there have been mistakes made here on this site but isn't that not the case in all walks of life, as we have been seeing in the media... Not much consolation I know, but I have seen worse male buffoonery on trans sites, its not just a WAM problem.
My only council on this would be as already mentioned, female MODs, is absolutely paramount and will send out a strong message that this is not simply a male den. As for concerns over who is a MOD, perhaps the MOD should be able to act in the short term but then a court of MODS should then ratify the decision making.
I would also like to see a MOD report posted each month updating us all on the offences committed and the actions taken against the offender. Again this will send out a message that you will be named and shamed and your offences made public, this to ensure new comers that this is a desired safe space.
This is our house, lets keep it tidy....
xx
mrsbee said: I'd be happy to volunteer to be a female mod on the US side, depending on the time commitment.
Apropos of nothing, could I suggest that we immediately pass a bylaw requiring moderators to be covered in pie or mud any time they delete a post or ban somebody?
I don't know if a girl can be a good mod.
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
HappyCamper said: I don't know if a girl can be a good mod.
Elsewhere in the online fetish community they can and indeed are. I've moderated various fetlife groups with women as co-mods and they've generally done better than the men. Why do you doubt it?
BTS
I think in situations like this, it's worth asking ourselves what the core problem we're trying to solve is. In this case, I think the main problem can be boiled down to:
There are two types of messages being sent, ones acceptable by both parties and ones that are undesirable by the receiver.
A small team of moderators will never be able to monitor all messages on this site to detect undesirable ones, but a spam filter could do this automatically and could drastically cut down on the messages that people find objectionable. While this may not be able to stop the deeper problem of people who do not respect women, it could significantly cut back on the amount of harm that they can cause to members of the community.
There are two types of messages being sent, ones acceptable by both parties and ones that are undesirable by the receiver.
A small team of moderators will never be able to monitor all messages on this site to detect undesirable ones, but a spam filter could do this automatically and could drastically cut down on the messages that people find objectionable. While this may not be able to stop the deeper problem of people who do not respect women, it could significantly cut back on the amount of harm that they can cause to members of the community.
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