The whole Film is probably her old producer, giving her a way out with a door left open, and if she wanted to come back, the truth was, he was too old to produce anymore, and you know exactly who he is, as he is now willing to seventies and suffering from ill health I'm sure some of your models are participated from time to time with fantasy excuses as to why they have gone when actually, it's just down to realise there are plenty of need of done it in the past and income, always leaving the door open

Excuse me? Why are you saying 'your wife'?? This is me Flora speaking. My husband has his own account. I'm perfectly able to speak for myself so what are you trying to say??

Explained a little while ago, I'm currently in work so speed reading through the replies and mistook your profile your husband

I don't know how to help you understand so I'll spell it out.

Today Tuesday 16th Daz (as himself) said of himself and Chantelle : 'We actually stopped communicating in the last three days, the day after your wife got her response.

On Saturday 13th January Daz (as Chantelle) said of Daz 'He is very helpful and very knowledgeable and I we don't know longer or have anything to do with each other. '

So if you stopped having anything to do with one another after the message on Saturday, then WHY did you say you had nothing to do with one another at that point?
Was it a) true
Or
b) a lie.

From Flora

There's no need to get nasty. It's understandable people are frustrated and appreciate you are just one half of the parties involved and Chantelle is not here to give her side of things but let's try and keep things friendly - it's the least you can do!
Yes you're in a tight spot and backed up against the wall a little, but did you really expect everyone to just be ok with it and let things lie after being misled for so long?! It's only fair that people are allowed to voice their opinions and some of those you may well disagree with but there's no need for a slogging match here

Okay, I've explained enough now I no longer gonna bother replying to any of this because it's just the same small minded group peaceful asking the same questions have already been answered on number of previous post.
I've explained my reason and Chantelle Brian for the way we operated the site if this hasn't sent by now then it never will have to just sit here for weeks from end through the site so I'm no longer going to participate in this conversation and I will leave it to Derek to decide how he wants to deal with it. Obviously there are a few narrowminded people here that seem to think that because I disposed, but my partner had dyslexia problems with computers That she had no shame about and was knowledge for quite a few here.
I'm going through a hard time as we have split and we are not dealing with this very well. I do not need to melt in my whole life on this site to a few narrowminded people that are literally never satisfied, and will continue wanting an argument and explanation for things have already explained.
Thanks for the person that commented about Chantelle being brave being in the mud or whatever they run about. At the end of the day. You don't need to get a computer to start in a cinema. I really not sure what the point of what you were getting into, but I've had enough explaining it. Good luck to you all and feel free to keep commenting amongst yourselves as clearly you have nothing else to do but sit here all day waiting for another call
I might be today's news, but it's tomorrow's chip paper I'm sure you will find someone else to start moaning about, casting your opinions asking the same questions and ignore the answers.

I'm not sure why you are replying to Flora's message stating "your wife" like you are replying to me? Flora knows the facts of when she last messaged and is totally in her right, and fully supported by me, in being angry with you.

You keep saying about being frustrated having to keep repeating yourself but this mess is caused by you, not Flora or anyone else.

You are the one who needs to be taking responsibility for your actions which have led to this issue of broken trust. You should be understanding of the anger and hurt people feel and you need to accept that, take it on the chin and make amends.

It's natural to feel defensive in a situation like this, but you can't be surprised or angry with people responding this way.

Narrow minded? Oh my goodness! Go and buy a dictionary on the way out of the UMD door. That's the last thing I am..
Bye now

Stop, please. This doesn't solve anything.

Also, you absolutely cannot fault her for being upset. If I shared sensitive information under the assumption that I was communicating with Chantelle directly and got sideswiped with this information, I would be a lil pissed off, too.

Your posture is highly suspect considering you are at fault here and the fact that you fail to admit it or even acknowledge it is an issue. I am trying my best to play devils advocate here by saying that you meant no harm but talking to others like that who have VALID concerns is a fast track to me dropping that position REAL quick.

Just chill. If you are incapable of being civil, step away, smoke a cigarette, a joint whatever and come back to answer. This doesn't need to be a shit show.

You seem to have avoided pretty much every question/clarification I have asked other than whether the same was happening across platforms. I feel there are so many unanswered questions still and you have yet been unable/unwilling to apologise for your actions and the way you have handled the situation in the first place AND this follow up here.




I don't think people here are looking for an argument at all - they are looking for closure, answers and probably an apology on how things have been handled.


The issue here is that you have given little to no answers and instead antagonised the situation by calling people out on cherry-picked messages that you want to reply to in order to fit your message and narrative.
Unless you are willing/able to lay everything on the table and be 100% transparent then I can see why people want to keep asking more. Please take responsibility for your part in this and the impact it has had on the wider population. Walking away will not solve anything and would imply you are in fact not giving the whole truth and trying to deceive us further.

Thank you Boosey for clarifying what I suspected already. That Daz has been lying.
Chantelle was not sitting next to him when he messaged me.. she was with her family.
If he's lying about that simple fact then how are we to believe any of what he's said?

I have reviewed and thought about my previous post and have decided to delete it as i do not really wish to be involved in Private Issues

Because you realise you were given false information but couldn't quite come to bring yourself to make a public apology choosing to message me instead

I don't think Derek knew by his replies in this thread it was 2 people acting as one. Go back and read them. This is not a witch hunt or anything like that. You also have not been transparent 100% about things or thus would have been a thread off condolences about the relationship and not a what the fuck is going on. I think we need to have Messmaster talk to Chantelle over the phone or zoom etc to confirm all of this. For all we know you broke up, logged in changed the password and took the only computer with you. I am not saying that is what happened, but I hope you can step out of the situation and take a look at it. I am not mocking, shaming, or anything like it being dyslexic or computer illiterate. My girlfriend who I live with is dyslexic and there are times I have to help her reword things and spell things. But at the end of the day, it is her behind the advanced typewriter.

(I assume that "mod" means "model" rather than "moderator" in this context.)

Daz may well be correct that this is commonplace. However, based on this discussion, a lot of people clearly assumed that they were talking to the person whose name and photo was on the account. Maybe that's naive, or maybe that's a reasonable assumption; either way, there was confusion.


I think that the proposed solution (having "business" as a gender option) is a good idea, and it will certainly help with shared business accounts. However, it won't entirely address the issue.

Taking this example, suppose that Daz and Chantelle weren't running a business, but he was still helping her to type messages. MessMaster is saying "that's acceptable", but I think it would still be a problem when people think that they're talking to a particular person in confidence. The simplest solution would be to put both names on the account (which "JD and Messy Andi" are already doing). I realise that's very difficult to enforce, but encouraging it (via the TOS) would be a good place to start.

Hi
I have been reading this thread with interest and I have to say I am not really surprised. Over the years I have seen some appalling behaviour on quite regular sites such as poetry and health condition sites, much worse than here. We need to regulate ourselves as there is only so much site admin can do. I have never used a female persona on this site but I did use a female avatar on a poetry site to see if some female characters I had written were judged in the same way. No pms were sent and I explained after a short period. What I did learn was women are treated less respectfully? Repetition and pestering message, dismissed opinions etc.
I think we should all take responsibility for our own behaviours and we need to consider the equality of communication. It is fine for one person to share information if they wish but if they do so under false premises there is no equality only manipulation. Only adults can join this site so is adult behaviour too much to expect.
Pretending to be a different gender is a problem if it is used to manipulate. Women have good reason for concern. Perhaps some people here should rethink their approach. Is that really too much to ask?

My take from this:

People have been pretending to be other genders on the internet for gain since it started, this is nothing new and will never stop. I have had some very awful conversations with folks pretending to be something else. I will bet that there are some female profiles on here are actually men seeing what they can make happen.

Sharing accounts is fine as long as folks are open an honest about who is talking. It also may be necessary for businesses. Putting this in the bio should be automatic, announcing who is speaking in all correspondences should be standard practice.

If you are are a different person than the profile suggests, and you don't tell the person contacting you from the start, that is immoral.

If you are reading/wringing on behalf of someone else, but do not tell the person you are talking to (e.g. pretend to be the other person) and you are reading sensitive information without disclosing what is happening, that is deceitful.

If you stand to gain by being deceitful, e.g. monetarily, arousal, information etc, then it is catfishing and illegal.

If you are found out, you have no moral leg to stand on, especially if you offer only excuses and no apologies.

Anger in finding out you have been deceived is 100% valid. It is a betrayal. It is a violation. Any victim of this is very much in the right to want answers/clarification and demand them. If the perpetrator does not give them, then it's safe to assume to worse of them.

I hope folks are more open in future about their correspondence.

The more I think about this situation and reading the responses from folks, the more I wonder if what happened would be considered impersonation. That is where I get hung up though. If everything that Dazuk has said is true and if everything happened exactly as he said it did. The place I get hung up is would there be a difference between what Dazuk did for Chantelle and what interpreters do for deaf people or for foreign language speakers? The difference that screams out in my mind is that with interpreters, you know they have them and know that things are being translated.

I am then reminded of the clip from a GREAT TV show where a news anchor is interviewing a Japanese scientist in relation to a nuclear reactor situation. The interpreter for the gentleman did not know that the anchor spoke fluent Japanese and knew that the scientist was being misrepresented. The anchor then started conducting the interview in Japanese informing the scientist he was being misrepresented. Much to the shock and dismay of the interpreter.

The difference here is that we only have one side of the story. We have no clue if Dazuk was accurately translating for Chantelle or even if Chantelle is aware of the conversations that have happened in her name and on her behalf.

I hope we get an update soon from someone that can make contact with the real Chantelle. Be it a video, phone call etc. I think she deserves a chance to tell her side of the story and either confirm or deny things.

Ding Ding Ding!

Sad to read all this. I once made contact with them (term deliberately loosely) but it went no further than a couple of messages, I felt uneasy. One thing which can't be denied is that just like Mostwam they had some fantastic locations. Those Essex claypits would be a LONG journey for me but damn they looked good.

I made a reply, and then I deleted it because I didn't feel like getting too involved in this conversation. But this community is important to me and these conversations are really important for us to have, so I came back. Now, I'm not here to diminish anyone's feelings or opinions, I'm not trying to condone any actions OR make any accusations without full knowledge. I am strictly trying to offer some insight into the adult industry as I've experienced it.

I understand why FloraFrench is upset. I've said it before, in adult work transparency is very important. A model should always know who they're interacting with. The level of vulnerability is really high and honesty and trust is intrinsic to a model's comfort and safety. The big blaring fact is that we don't have Chantelle's side of the story, so we really don't know how much she has been involved.

In the adult industry, a male producer acting as his models is a long running issue in this landscape. It's been happening for a long time. There are also models who have been trafficked into doing this by an abusive boyfriend or pimp and the boyfriend or pimp is the one who is acting as the model in order to have complete control of the money they make and the person they're trafficking. Which is a big reason why this kind of behavior needs to be addressed and stopped. I'm not accusing dazuk of this. I don't know dazuk and haven't interacted with Chantelle either, so I'm not comparing this issue to trafficking.

HOWEVER, the Internet changed everything in the adult industry. Now models are able to be more independent and can actually make more money for themselves and interact with their fans. And the Internet opened viewership and accessibility up to a GLOBAL platform, which means much more followers. So it's not uncommon for successful models to hire other people to answer their messages *as them* in order to keep up with it. Obviously no one is going to engage with their assistant, so this is the only solution that works for them at the moment. They usually have hundreds of thousands of followers, possibly millions, on multiple platforms and are constantly busy filming. So it's just the only way these models can maintain the level of success that they achieve. The model is very involved. They are always dictating, reviewing, checking in, and following up personally with their messages *when they have time.* And most of them only have someone do it for an hour when they're busy and then the model takes it back over when they're free. I understand if this is shocking and feels violating, I don't really feel great about it. But I cannot fault these women for doing everything they can to maintain a living wage in an industry as dangerous and unprotected as ours. This is a brutal fucking industry. We have the highest risks physically, financially, and legally. Those are high stakes that can cause huge losses. Models get abused and exploited badly and marginalized and I'm not going to judge them for how they have to survive this landscape. Sometimes a witness to the people you're interacting with can be important since adult performers are higher targets for violence, assault, and murder.

The other thing I want to bring up, is how this problem relates to the threat that AI will be to this community. Anyone can pretend to be someone they're not and its going to be problematic to control the more realistic it becomes. No one is going to be talking to who they think they are, so I don't see how AI can be more useful than abusive. And of course real women like myself can't compare or live up to the standard of the kind of perfection AI can produce.

So these are just some points I wanted to add to the conversation. I wanted to give some perspective and some insights here that I hope can help us gain more understanding and compassion with each other. Hope everyone has a better day

this is the kind of shit that really irks me off.

because I have needed actual HELP getting videos up---help with my vidown to get videos up and I havent been able to do so because I have not been allowed to have anyone else have access to my account. Which? Is great that MM is looking out for me!

I would never have anyone else answer my messages or talk to my customers. Ever.
I would never even have them write my video explanations....but? There are days when I have really, and still really, need help with all this but because of situations where people are using other people (as he said, he was behind all of it and she was just the model)

So? Even the explanations of the video were not truly her words...which kinda takes away from it.

anyhoo! Chantelle was not very nice to me but, I hope she has a happy retirement.

and I really hope that one day people will just post on their walls the honest truth.
Like, "hey, this isnt chantelle answering messages but if you want her to? Here is how you can reach her" or whatever. So that maybe people like me can actually get some help I desperately need to keep uploading in my stores going.
Life happens all the damn time and I swear to God I would gladly pay someone just to get things UP.
I would send them the description and let them atleast help me get caught up.

anyway. thats my rant.

If I find my way to essex? I would love to film at your mud spot! That would be a dream come true!!!
Great work from you!

also: question: so? If she is computer illiterate? Was it you that messaged me and told me I needed to stop cursing on the forums? And told me that we were in "direct competition" with eachother and how poorly it looked on me to use the "f" word and that I needed to act with more class----? or was that her? lol.....for the record....I told her that I speak how I want to speak and that I am in no way, shape or form competing with anyone here. I am inspired...I am enjoying and I am loving my fetish my own way

unless you already knew that.

Jayce, until we hear otherwise, I would assume everything came from fucking Dazuk. At this point, I am not even sure Chantelle knew what was being said and done in her name.

So... Is this site not as "cool" as I thought? Because I'm reading between the lines on several fellow users and there's definitely yet more drama and bullshit behind the scenes EVERYWHERE. Lately this sort of stuff has been popping up more and more, should I be concerned or is this business as usual and I'm only noticing now? I don't even go looking for this sort of news. It's all some sneaky two faced garbage, people will do anything they THINK they can get away with. Not here for that.

No this community is really good. Drama, like in all communites does happen and does pop up on the forums but UMD is a very safe place. To paraphrase 40k, Messmaster is like the Emperor of Mankind.

Gods damn, he is kinda like that isn't he. The chaos realm gets into everything seemingly.

This^. Until we hear from MM and/or Chantelle, we can only assume Daz is the acting user on what was her account. *shrugs*

Nah, this site is fine. Wherever there are large gatherings of people, you can expect the occasional drunken idiot who needs some course correction or the boot depending on the severity of the offense. Percentage wise, considering our size, the level is quite low in comparison. It just needs some refinement in some areas but this is par for the course when you have a magnitude of individuals in a single place. Someone will step on someone's toes at some point

I don't think we are going to hear from MM about this. He has long since stopped replying to this thread and is just letting things lie. I figured we would have had an update by now. At this point I highly doubt that he has any reliable way to get a hold of her. I don't think anyone active on this site has ever talked to Chantelle in person. I think this situation is just another lesson learned at the expense of others.

I am not sure that any of the things that make sense in today's technology when it comes to moderating a site will be done. Hell I have been in chatrooms in the mid 2000's that had better communication with mods. I was a member of a chatroom site where the owner of the site talked on the phone with each mod before they were allowed to be a mod. The head mod had monthly phone calls with the mods discussing various things and basic check ins. It is obvious none of that kind of thing happens here.