It occurred to me that some Wam producers incorporate a lot of 'porn' in their productions. By that, I mean crotch activity, whether it's self-touching, using dildos, or full on sex.

Obviously, there is a market for it, but I am happier with the 'soft porn' where no attention is really given to the crotch area, even if the model is nude, and boobs are seen.

Others are purists who only want to see pied faces or clothed bodies with outfits getting trashed, but little or no skin showing.

So I thought I'd run a little poll to see just what level of porn most of us want to see.

Feel free to add your own comments, as this little poll isn't enough to include every possibility.

I like a good degree of crotch-focus and bottom focus, but only fully clothed. This is why trouser-filling, shorts-filling, and swimsuit-filling are a large part of what we do here, and we always film our outdoor wetlook scenes so that, when the girls are wearing trousers, you get to see their crotches meet the waterline as they wade in towards the camera. On the Imperatrix Domina store we have plenty of scenes where girls fondle and grope each other's crotches, turning each other on and having fun, but all while still with their (getting very messy) clothes or swimwear on.

I have no interest in nudity, naked people aren't sexually appealing to me (though they may be beautifully asthetic - it's just not sexy to me). But put the same person in clothes I like, and they start to become sexually attractive, even more so if they then get wet or messy. I guess that's pretty close to the definition of pure fetish really!

PS...even fully clothed WAM is porn.....even with NOTHING else added.

Robby

www.wammalamapie.com

www.shepiestheguy.com

https://wammerific.umd.net/

#cornporn

I've always tended to think of it as "erotica", mainly because I know if I tried to sell fully clothed scenes to people by calling it "porn" there'd be a ton of complaints and angry customers, as most people think porn==nudity. Technically though, correct.

Full on messy sex, please.

I'm talking male and female.

Both fully covered, going at it.

Why are so few producers doing this?

I prefer to see clothes wam, though saying that I do tend to end up naked in most of my scenes at the end but that's usually when we are about to cut it but leave the camera running. Dabbled in some messy sex and blow jobs not really my thing tbh. Wet and messy for me is about having the feeling of clothes wet and messy clinging to you and the look they have shiny with the slop. I tend to bypass pictures of naked wam.

Full-on for us. I like the "artistic" WAM like wetlook and body painting, but we have messy sex, destroying clothes, etc...

This. There are very few m/f sex in mud videos out there (that I'm aware of, or have been able to find and believe me I've looked). I'd definitely fork over some coin for these.

I prefer to start clothed and end up naked and then really depends on the mood, anything from light touching to full sex.

That said, anyone wanting to just sit in their 'sunday best' and take a gallon of custard and beans over the head is also more than perfectly OK to me.

I'm surprised at how overwhelming the "Full on Messy Sex" vote is going. When I first came onto the UMD, there was little to no nudity, and Rob Blaine was one of the first to cross the line with toplessness. A lot of people felt that 'pure wam' required clothing, and anything with brief to no clothing wasn't 'real wam'.

Today we still have those who are turned on only by messy boots, or heavy raincoats, etc. My own clothing preferences are for thin, clingy clothing that will slide on the body and get fairly transparent when messed up. It can also be removed as the messing progresses. I like if the girl has a thong on, but nudity is ok too, but I'm not into showing too much from the crotch area. So I guess I'm sort of in the middle of the scale.

Nice to read the responses and I'm still surprised at the poll results. Who knew? I suppose producers could use these results to make more of what most people want.

Nudity does nothing for me, I like smart outfits being trashed. The custom Charlotte did for me was perfection, she was fuly clothed all the way through and the tight, sexy office suit with stockings and heels being completely covered were amazing

It still does next to nothing for me to see a naked chick getting messed up. It's all about the sort-of playful humiliation of getting hair/faces/clothes messed up and wet and sticky. The rare nude scenes I'll buy usually feature still the hair or face getting covered well. I guess I don't mind if a scene ends nude but if it starts nude it's like... what's the point? It's like a dunk tank video where the girl is wearing a bathing suit. There's no risk involved.

I don't mind either, but I do prefer the hardcore stuff or at least scantily dressed to nude.

Don't be surprised. Polls like this are good at showing what our average visitors really want, as opposed to the vocal minority.


People have been saying WAM has been getting "more sexual" for 20 years. At this point then, it should be nothing but sex sex sex! But that's not the case. It's still about the same proportion as it's always been. Actual wam sex is extremely rare.

Messmaster

I find it really hard to pick any of the above choices, because it's not like I only like one "level" of "porny-ness." I enjoy the full spectrum of the options above, and some of my favorite videos fall at the fully-clothed end and others on the opposite end of the scale. And of course, plenty of others are at various points in-between these two poles.

I will note that when it comes to the full-on messy sex scenes, I very strongly lean toward the female-on-female variety over the male-female scenes, a distinction your poll doesn't make at all. I know you only had so many entries you could create. But seriously, what is the difference supposed to be between "0 - None, I only like pies in the face" and "1 - None, I prefer outfits only" ?

Would also like to say that your options are all very oriented toward the front side of the female body. I think there's another vital component of the feminine form that really needs to be considered here...

I like to start with at least some clothing, but I prefer most or all of the clothing to be gone by the end. As far as activities, full on messy sex is the least interesting to me, but I'll watch it if I'm into the model. My temperature changes and that's fine

I find this poll sort of useless since you can only pick one of the answers. I wanted to check many of the answers. The one I picked does not reflect that I very much like many of the other options, and I dont not want many of the others.

Thus I feel the results are seriously misleading.

Sorry

I want a blowbang to end with facial cumshots and then a pie fight.

The only thing that would make this blowbang scene with Valentina any better would be some pie throwing at the end.

Couples enjoying messy foreplay and ending up having filthy sex is what I like to see. If they are still wearing the shreds and remains of ruined clothing, so much the better

EXACTLY.

I have to agree with this. Also, full on messy sex doesn't have to be nude. CFNM (clothed female, naked male) is an entire genre of of porn, one Eromaxx/Tainster/Sindrive has been doing with great success for a LONG time.

WAM is sensual and sexual for me. I like substances I can see through best, but I know created slippery, gooey, or sometimes slightly sticky sensations. I like the look and feeling of their interaction with clothing. And all those things heighten or add to the excitement and feeling of a sexual experience.

For instance, this scene from the movie "Emmanuelle 4" is still one of the hottest and most erotic things I've ever seen to me. And the reason I love watching it, is because it hits all the things I want to experience.

So yeah, I'd like to see more sex, but I don't need too. Ultimately, I'd just really like to be involved in some.

The trouble with adding touching or sex acts is you can never be sure whether people are watching/buying for the mess or only for the sex.

Same when I've witnessed messy sessions. Most guys are clearly booking for their love of WAM but some just want to fill their boots (not literally) instead of booking an escort.

WAM is very very very (did I say very enough?) NICHE driven. And sometimes niches within niches. Some even might WAM with their nieces but that would freak me out.

And there are some who say "I only want this" when in fact....you CAN add something else.

You can have a straight up, fully clothed WAM scene and someone will say "Yes...I only like fully clothed WAM and no 'sex.'" But if you add a second female to that WAM scene and have her smoosh a pie on the other models chest...again fully clothed...and rub it in a subtle way....all of a sudden that same viewer who only likes clothed WAM says "oh..well yeah...I enjoy that too."

There are bits and pieces of SOME WAM niches that CAN overlap. If you're a producer, knowing what those are will increase your sales.

Oh, and please don't WAM with your nieces. It's going to take me all day to get rid of that visual.

Robby

www.wammalamapie.com
www.shepiestheguy.com
https://wammerific.umd.net/

#overlappingWAM

I can say that I enjoy all the choices. None of it is a turn off for me or a deal breaker. I suspect that many people like wam in all of its forms and yet will choose the highest level of their comfort.

The fact that I can't chose more than one option really bums me, given that I'm cool with the whole spectrum from option 3 to option 10. I mean, one of my favorite shoots of all time is the legendary marshmallow fluff shoot starring Messygirls Lexi, which only features toplessness. But boy do I also love full on nudity, messy masturbation, and sex. (Especially if the latter two are more "real.")


Heterosexual sex? Yeah. But producers like Messygirl do a lot more full on lesbian sex than they used to. And the number of shoots they've done with masturbation and orgasms has increased as well.

From what I've been told here on this very forum, the reasons boy on girl wam sex scenes are so rare are mainly logistical. Otherwise, we'd probably have a whole damn bunch more than we do.

I will only buy clips if there is nudity. There have been many clips where I thought the girl was attractive and the mess was great but passed on because she left her clothes on.

More porn pls! This is why I convinced Me Banks to set up a new store with me, so we can make all the filthy couples wam that UMD desperately needs more of haha!

To be honest I want more kink stuff too - bondage, petplay, slimy spankings - and MORE BI MEN AND MMF THREESOMES PLEASE!!

I don't get why this is "trouble." If you're buying/watching a scene for the mess and someone else likes it for the touching or sex... how does that diminish the experience in any way for either of you?!?

If someone is making videos to sell as their income, they need to keep their costs to a minimum, so by adding sex to WAM, or WAM to sex, they're increasing the costs and time and effort involved when there's no evidence to suggest they'll recoup any extra money through sales.

Then there's the problem of how some people who understand how to make good WAM clips don't understand how to make good porn, and vice versa.

I love creating art-core. I like to blur the lines between porn and art. That being said 95% of what I shoot is about what the model wants to show off. I want to shoot the kinds of things that a model wants to have seen. You'll notice that some of my scenes even incorporate toys and girl/girl action. This is only because the models have decided that's what they want to show. When a model approaches me about wanting to shoot for messyhot, they'll often ask what the "requirements" are. My simple answer is "the requirements are that you get messy and have fun doing so". The rest is up to them.