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"First time encounters with big name WAM folk"
Love you, tooSaturation Hall, Langstonedale
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Jayce said: it is a big ol dream of mine to
2. GO TO THE FUCKING UK!!
2. GO TO THE FUCKING UK!!
If you ever do, come to Langstonedale. We'll dress you in a boilersuit and give you a proper (by which I mean spectacularly messy) welcome, and a dip in the mudbanks if you like too!
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
moreslime said:
Interesting. Am I allowed to ask why? I'm not hating on you at all, I'm just curious. I know Leon's said he never really saw eye to eye with him either. That's not to imply anything about Bill (or you and Leon for that matter), but just to make the obvious point that (shrug) people are different and not everyone gets on.
noise said:
I know I met some producers at meets, including Bill Shipton but I never liked him. That'll probably get me some hate, but its true so do with it what you like.
I know I met some producers at meets, including Bill Shipton but I never liked him. That'll probably get me some hate, but its true so do with it what you like.
Interesting. Am I allowed to ask why? I'm not hating on you at all, I'm just curious. I know Leon's said he never really saw eye to eye with him either. That's not to imply anything about Bill (or you and Leon for that matter), but just to make the obvious point that (shrug) people are different and not everyone gets on.
Well...
I fell out with Bill due to me having an argument with Hayley in the Splosh forum.
I was well aware that Hayley was Bill and was not happy with him hiding behind a fake skirt.
We all know how arguing with popular "female" wammers go.
I don't approve of producers playing the role of females, even more so when that character picks a fight with me.
I always respected Bill for the massive role he had in this community and everything he did.
However that didn't make it ok for him to be a jerk.
We did however meet shortly before his death, at the Birmingham meet.
We had a good chat and got on quite well together.
In real life he seemed quite a kind gentle man.
I'm glad I got to meet him in person.
leonmoomin said: Well...
I fell out with Bill due to me having an argument with Hayley in the Splosh forum.
I was well aware that Hayley was Bill and was not happy with him hiding behind a fake skirt.
We all know how arguing with popular "female" wammers go.
I don't approve of producers playing the role of females, even more so when that character picks a fight with me.
I fell out with Bill due to me having an argument with Hayley in the Splosh forum.
I was well aware that Hayley was Bill and was not happy with him hiding behind a fake skirt.
We all know how arguing with popular "female" wammers go.
I don't approve of producers playing the role of females, even more so when that character picks a fight with me.
Honestly, I never knew that. I feel very naive now...
There really was a model called Hayley for Splosh, as she appeared in a few films and photo sets - I'm pretty sure that wasn't Bill in drag - but on the forum "she" was actually Bill? He gave her a whole back story too, of her having been a very young single mum (ie she had a teenage/grown up son by the latter days of Splosh), and that he and Hayley had been in a relationship in the past although were just good friends now. Well, I guess Bill was a writer for magazines...
I was at least aware of one piece of truth-stretching on Splosh. That "pig-pen" story, which supposedly happened to "Hayley" as a teenager, was far too extreme to be at all plausible. Still, it was an entertaining read - if they wanted to invent a WAM urban legend, fair enough - so I just shrugged every time Bill/Hayley insisted it was true to anyone on the forum who questioned it.
But again, Bill was Hayley? Damn.
moreslime said:
Honestly, I never knew that. I feel very naive now...
There really was a model called Hayley for Splosh, as she appeared in a few films and photo sets - I'm pretty sure that wasn't Bill in drag - but on the forum "she" was actually Bill? He gave her a whole back story too, of her having been a very young single mum (ie she had a teenage/grown up son by the latter days of Splosh), and that he and Hayley had been in a relationship in the past although were just good friends now. Well, I guess Bill was a writer for magazines...
I was at least aware of one piece of truth-stretching on Splosh. That "pig-pen" story, which supposedly happened to "Hayley" as a teenager, was far too extreme to be at all plausible. Still, it was an entertaining read - if they wanted to invent a WAM urban legend, fair enough - so I just shrugged every time Bill/Hayley insisted it was true to anyone on the forum who questioned it.
But again, Bill was Hayley? Damn.
leonmoomin said: Well...
I fell out with Bill due to me having an argument with Hayley in the Splosh forum.
I was well aware that Hayley was Bill and was not happy with him hiding behind a fake skirt.
We all know how arguing with popular "female" wammers go.
I don't approve of producers playing the role of females, even more so when that character picks a fight with me.
I fell out with Bill due to me having an argument with Hayley in the Splosh forum.
I was well aware that Hayley was Bill and was not happy with him hiding behind a fake skirt.
We all know how arguing with popular "female" wammers go.
I don't approve of producers playing the role of females, even more so when that character picks a fight with me.
Honestly, I never knew that. I feel very naive now...
There really was a model called Hayley for Splosh, as she appeared in a few films and photo sets - I'm pretty sure that wasn't Bill in drag - but on the forum "she" was actually Bill? He gave her a whole back story too, of her having been a very young single mum (ie she had a teenage/grown up son by the latter days of Splosh), and that he and Hayley had been in a relationship in the past although were just good friends now. Well, I guess Bill was a writer for magazines...
I was at least aware of one piece of truth-stretching on Splosh. That "pig-pen" story, which supposedly happened to "Hayley" as a teenager, was far too extreme to be at all plausible. Still, it was an entertaining read - if they wanted to invent a WAM urban legend, fair enough - so I just shrugged every time Bill/Hayley insisted it was true to anyone on the forum who questioned it.
But again, Bill was Hayley? Damn.
Can confirm, Bill was Hayley
I was totally taken in.. I had heard rumours and dismissed them at the time! Bill talked about her as if she were real. I now think he was referring to long past relationship experiences that he drew on to give advice.
The model who posed as Hayley did not have a log in and never posted. I only found out when she contacted me after Bill died to say he owed her £500 and could I find out who she should talk to about it.
I have only told a handful of people because I know it's quite upsetting news to find out you spilled your deepest darkest fantasies on a regular basis to someone basically posing.
I absolutely adored him, I know he could be grumpy on the forums but in RL he was ace. This does taint the memory of him a little though - I was gutted when I got that email.
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CandyCustard said:
The model who posed as Hayley did not have a log in and never posted. I only found out when she contacted me after Bill died to say he owed her £500 and could I find out who she should talk to about it.
I have only told a handful of people because I know it's quite upsetting news to find out you spilled your deepest darkest fantasies on a regular basis to someone basically posing.
This does taint the memory of him a little though - I was gutted when I got that email.
The model who posed as Hayley did not have a log in and never posted. I only found out when she contacted me after Bill died to say he owed her £500 and could I find out who she should talk to about it.
I have only told a handful of people because I know it's quite upsetting news to find out you spilled your deepest darkest fantasies on a regular basis to someone basically posing.
This does taint the memory of him a little though - I was gutted when I got that email.
That's not good. Not when you consider that having her twat of a bf posing as her on UMD was one of the things that got a certain UK producer kicked off this site a few months back.
And Bill was doing something similar? Perhaps not in as nasty and aggressive a way as the example above, but there's still an issue of trust there. Again, damn.
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
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moreslime said:
That's not good. Not when you consider that having her twat of a bf posing as her on UMD was one of the things that got a certain UK producer kicked off this site a few months back.
And Bill was doing something similar? Perhaps not in as nasty and aggressive a way as the example above, but there's still an issue of trust there. Again, damn.
CandyCustard said:
The model who posed as Hayley did not have a log in and never posted. I only found out when she contacted me after Bill died to say he owed her £500 and could I find out who she should talk to about it.
I have only told a handful of people because I know it's quite upsetting news to find out you spilled your deepest darkest fantasies on a regular basis to someone basically posing.
This does taint the memory of him a little though - I was gutted when I got that email.
The model who posed as Hayley did not have a log in and never posted. I only found out when she contacted me after Bill died to say he owed her £500 and could I find out who she should talk to about it.
I have only told a handful of people because I know it's quite upsetting news to find out you spilled your deepest darkest fantasies on a regular basis to someone basically posing.
This does taint the memory of him a little though - I was gutted when I got that email.
That's not good. Not when you consider that having her twat of a bf posing as her on UMD was one of the things that got a certain UK producer kicked off this site a few months back.
And Bill was doing something similar? Perhaps not in as nasty and aggressive a way as the example above, but there's still an issue of trust there. Again, damn.
I was taken in too, even wrote a messy story for the splosh forum featuring Healey in response to "her" asking people to do so, and at the time wondered why it got a fairly "meh" response when I'm used to women, esp out and open kinksters, being a lot more talkative about stuff they've specifically asked for.
I suspect a bit of a generational divide at play, back in the 70s there were lots of adult magazines with allegedly-female contributors, many of which I gather were actually written by men, I believe Bill worked for at least one of them. Back then it was seen as harmless fantasy for guys in an era when men and women were almost two separate species by the way people acted and lived. Bill was from that era, it could be argued it died with him.
I met him once, same as Leon did at the famous Birmingham mega-splunch, he was a nice chap to talk to and full of interesting stories, and I'm glad I got to meet him.
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My perspective is that.
Bill did some shoots with a Model and called her Hayley for the Splosh magazine in the 80's.
In that respect, when two way communication was harder, it probably worked really well.
From what I recall, she was kind of a WAM agony aunt.
Not saying that people didn't build relationships through pen and paper communications, but it was a different thing altogether.
But she should have been left there in the magazine, in the 80's.
It was wrong to bring her into the digital age, where people build on line relationships and can become very close and invested in the people they communicate with.
Bill did some shoots with a Model and called her Hayley for the Splosh magazine in the 80's.
In that respect, when two way communication was harder, it probably worked really well.
From what I recall, she was kind of a WAM agony aunt.
Not saying that people didn't build relationships through pen and paper communications, but it was a different thing altogether.
But she should have been left there in the magazine, in the 80's.
It was wrong to bring her into the digital age, where people build on line relationships and can become very close and invested in the people they communicate with.
DungeonMasterOne said:
I was taken in too, even wrote a messy story for the splosh forum featuring Healey in response to "her" asking people to do so, and at the time wondered why it got a fairly "meh" response
I suspect a bit of a generational divide at play, back in the 70s there were lots of adult magazines with allegedly-female contributors, many of which I gather were actually written by men, I believe Bill worked for at least one of them. Back then it was seen as harmless fantasy for guys in an era when men and women were almost two separate species by the way people acted and lived. Bill was from that era, it could be argued it died with him.
I was taken in too, even wrote a messy story for the splosh forum featuring Healey in response to "her" asking people to do so, and at the time wondered why it got a fairly "meh" response
I suspect a bit of a generational divide at play, back in the 70s there were lots of adult magazines with allegedly-female contributors, many of which I gather were actually written by men, I believe Bill worked for at least one of them. Back then it was seen as harmless fantasy for guys in an era when men and women were almost two separate species by the way people acted and lived. Bill was from that era, it could be argued it died with him.
Yes, that's fair comment about Bill being a different generation and seeing these things differently. That's why, although in principle it's the same as what **** was doing with Jessie, I'm sure Bill's take on it was more benign. (Even so, female users who did think they were talking to a woman may still have their own view.)
I can also relate to your point about not getting the response you expect when you think you're dealing with a woman. There were a couple of upbeat PMs I sent to Jessie, before it all came out, and at the time I was a bit deflated at "her" unenthusiastic replies. Of course, I understand it now...
moreslime said:
Interesting. Am I allowed to ask why? I'm not hating on you at all, I'm just curious. I know Leon's said he never really saw eye to eye with him either. That's not to imply anything about Bill (or you and Leon for that matter), but just to make the obvious point that (shrug) people are different and not everyone gets on.
noise said:
I know I met some producers at meets, including Bill Shipton but I never liked him. That'll probably get me some hate, but its true so do with it what you like.
I know I met some producers at meets, including Bill Shipton but I never liked him. That'll probably get me some hate, but its true so do with it what you like.
Interesting. Am I allowed to ask why? I'm not hating on you at all, I'm just curious. I know Leon's said he never really saw eye to eye with him either. That's not to imply anything about Bill (or you and Leon for that matter), but just to make the obvious point that (shrug) people are different and not everyone gets on.
He came across as a teller of tall tales and not in the fun kind of way, in the he wanted to sell it kind of way. I didn't know about the whole Hayley thing though. Until now. Reading this thread.
In person, I wanted to give him a fair shake but he came across as a teller of tall tales and not very genuine. Didn't want to have a conversation, just wanted to talk. It was stark comparison to meeting everyone else that night who wanted to ask questions as well as give answers.
Out of the Sploshing thing he was probably a lovely fella judging by others opinions. I didn't see it though. Kind of wish I had so I didn't have negativity, but that's life. I'm sure people don't like me but won't get a chance to actually know me.
noise said:
He came across as a teller of tall tales and not in the fun kind of way, in the he wanted to sell it kind of way. I didn't know about the whole Hayley thing though. Until now. Reading this thread.
In person, I wanted to give him a fair shake but he came across as a teller of tall tales and not very genuine. Didn't want to have a conversation, just wanted to talk. It was stark comparison to meeting everyone else that night who wanted to ask questions as well as give answers.
Out of the Sploshing thing he was probably a lovely fella judging by others opinions. I didn't see it though. Kind of wish I had so I didn't have negativity, but that's life. I'm sure people don't like me but won't get a chance to actually know me.
He came across as a teller of tall tales and not in the fun kind of way, in the he wanted to sell it kind of way. I didn't know about the whole Hayley thing though. Until now. Reading this thread.
In person, I wanted to give him a fair shake but he came across as a teller of tall tales and not very genuine. Didn't want to have a conversation, just wanted to talk. It was stark comparison to meeting everyone else that night who wanted to ask questions as well as give answers.
Out of the Sploshing thing he was probably a lovely fella judging by others opinions. I didn't see it though. Kind of wish I had so I didn't have negativity, but that's life. I'm sure people don't like me but won't get a chance to actually know me.
Interesting. Thanks for your reply.
I feel I need to join this conversation at least to give another perspective. I knew Bill quite well over the years and would say in my opinion, that he was genuinely good company, yes very talkative but always interested in the people he was with.
Whilst "Hayley" may have been a fictional figure there was a a girl who was Bill's Secretary in his days at Razzle magazine and she continued to work for Bill in his days on Splosh and indeed featured in at least one item that I recall seeing in the magazine. So there was some truth in her character which was loosely based on this real person whom I actually met in a pub with Bill when he lived in South East London. I am not trying to defend the man but I fear he is being criticised slightly unfairly. Yes he could be cantankerous as several UMD posts showed, but he was a passionate enthusiast for our common interest and deserves to be remembered as a trail blazer and sadly passed away too soon.
People like Mike from WSM knew him better than I did but I believe there are two sides to the story.
Whilst "Hayley" may have been a fictional figure there was a a girl who was Bill's Secretary in his days at Razzle magazine and she continued to work for Bill in his days on Splosh and indeed featured in at least one item that I recall seeing in the magazine. So there was some truth in her character which was loosely based on this real person whom I actually met in a pub with Bill when he lived in South East London. I am not trying to defend the man but I fear he is being criticised slightly unfairly. Yes he could be cantankerous as several UMD posts showed, but he was a passionate enthusiast for our common interest and deserves to be remembered as a trail blazer and sadly passed away too soon.
People like Mike from WSM knew him better than I did but I believe there are two sides to the story.
soundguy said:
You are welcome in Seattle any time, but if you want decent weather with sunlight and stuff, you'd better show up before the 2nd week of September, 'cause that's when everything hits the skids Currently finishing up a waterfall and pond system in the back yard, so you could even do wetlook here that doesn't involve just standing in the rain 
Same offer in Las Vegas, but we have sunlight all year long, three pools, and two hot tubs.
Best of all, both places have a "space needle" with great food. (the eating kind, not the wearing kind)
EDIT: There are also lots of toys to play with here.
Jayce said: it is a big ol dream of mine to
1. go stay with soundguy for a while...i wanna be on that side of the u.s. and plus, hes a solid dude. i think we would have a lot of fun just chillin! hes always been super good to me and i would just like to head out that way...maybe travel to portland....see where all the hipsters ran off to...and take a nice little stay away...
1. go stay with soundguy for a while...i wanna be on that side of the u.s. and plus, hes a solid dude. i think we would have a lot of fun just chillin! hes always been super good to me and i would just like to head out that way...maybe travel to portland....see where all the hipsters ran off to...and take a nice little stay away...
You are welcome in Seattle any time, but if you want decent weather with sunlight and stuff, you'd better show up before the 2nd week of September, 'cause that's when everything hits the skids
Currently finishing up a waterfall and pond system in the back yard, so you could even do wetlook here that doesn't involve just standing in the rain Same offer in Las Vegas, but we have sunlight all year long, three pools, and two hot tubs.
Best of all, both places have a "space needle" with great food. (the eating kind, not the wearing kind)
EDIT: There are also lots of toys to play with here.
Can confirm about the weather here.
I don't think any of this discussion is bad either. It's a healthy reminder that even people we idolize or put up on a pedestal at times are still just that, "people". We all do dumb shit, we all piss people off and say the wrong things.
Honestly, I can say before I being involved in the forums, I had no idea who Bill was. I'd have said the biggest name in messy production then was Rob Blaine.
Honestly, I can say before I being involved in the forums, I had no idea who Bill was. I'd have said the biggest name in messy production then was Rob Blaine.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
noise said:
Can't think of anyone else that left an impression. Spoken to Rich, and he's a smart, nice, guy.
Can't think of anyone else that left an impression. Spoken to Rich, and he's a smart, nice, guy.
Ah yes, you're one of the handful of folks who's actually spoken to me over the years! (FTR: Robby, Ken, and Neil before his excommunication from the UMD.)
I remember being always baffled at how you rubbed some folks the wrong way here... You were unfailingly polite in that oh-so-British way in person. But I also have a tendency to be too snarky for my own good on here sometimes. My theory is snark is "charming" in real life but can get abrasive on a forum like this one.
And by that measuring stick, Regis in person is probably the kindest old grandmother you'd ever want to meet....
SStuff said: And by that measuring stick, Regis in person is probably the kindest old grandmother you'd ever want to meet....
I'll have you know that I treat my captives with great kindness and generosity! They'd all tell you so if they could. Of course they can't though.
So I know I've already responded to this, but when actually thinking about it, I'm lucky enough to of met many of our big names...
Mark From Wamtec- an absolute legend, generous, intelligent and has been a massive support to us.
Flav from Eurowam- we had some fun didn't we pal
charming, funny, great company
Noise- haha a cocky,witty sarcastic bastard
a lot like Leon actually 
Candy- So warm and lovely
Iain ecgunge- my very own BFg
Jonny - a man who's had his fingers in many pies! Such a character and very generous
Dunk tank dave - humble and friendly
Ginger- beautiful and friendly
Rich Trouso- intelligent, kind and very down to earth
Rev- a true gent
Dm1- smart, kind, true to himself
Maria- beautifully bonkers, great company
Bill Shipton- I met him at the famous Brum meet, to me he was humble and seemed to carry round a great sadness
Jessie- very smart and witty
I'm sure there are others. Honestly though, in my 15 years of meetings, I've only met 2/3 characters that weren't my personal cup of tea.
Mark From Wamtec- an absolute legend, generous, intelligent and has been a massive support to us.
Flav from Eurowam- we had some fun didn't we pal
charming, funny, great company Noise- haha a cocky,witty sarcastic bastard
a lot like Leon actually Candy
- So warm and lovely Iain ecgunge- my very own BFg
Jonny - a man who's had his fingers in many pies! Such a character and very generous
Dunk tank dave - humble and friendly
Ginger- beautiful and friendly
Rich Trouso- intelligent, kind and very down to earth
Rev- a true gent
Dm1- smart, kind, true to himself
Maria- beautifully bonkers, great company
Bill Shipton- I met him at the famous Brum meet, to me he was humble and seemed to carry round a great sadness
Jessie- very smart and witty
I'm sure there are others. Honestly though, in my 15 years of meetings, I've only met 2/3 characters that weren't my personal cup of tea.
SStuff said:
I remember being always baffled at how you rubbed some folks the wrong way here... You were unfailingly polite in that oh-so-British way in person. But I also have a tendency to be too snarky for my own good on here sometimes. My theory is snark is "charming" in real life but can get abrasive on a forum like this one.
I remember being always baffled at how you rubbed some folks the wrong way here... You were unfailingly polite in that oh-so-British way in person. But I also have a tendency to be too snarky for my own good on here sometimes. My theory is snark is "charming" in real life but can get abrasive on a forum like this one.
Text is hard to convey tone with, but I don't think that's what it is. I wouldn't go as far as unfailingly polite but I treat people with the respect they deserve, not what they demand. Might be something to the relationship between snark and charming though. I'm completely crushing on Regis.
LisaMoomin said: Noise: Haha, a cocky, witty, sarcastic bastard. A lot like Leon actually
A lot like Leon actually Just corrected your punctuation for you darlin'. Also, you forgot patronizing and arrogant
LisaMoomin said:
Jessie- very smart and witty
Jessie- very smart and witty
Of course. It seems fashionable to bash her, but the reality is she's all of that and she can fit in your pocket. She also has a big heart.
LisaMoomin said: Iain ecgunge- my very own BFg
I nearly posted about the first time I met Lisa and Leon, it was at Brum (you'd think the world revolved around that place - can't remember how lost I got finding it that time - it predated Google maps!) Anyway, I heard a familiar giggle, turned around remarking something really helpful like "I know that giggle" - this of course only worked one way as my border tongue disnae gan wi biding in Surrey! Makes me feel old thinking back how long I've been conversing with some people! I think I first met Araneae at a 3g mud wrestling show in Reading, I'd been a part of Scarlett's sploshing career since the start (yep I was gunge mixer on her first shoot) anyway Ari was the scary one of the 3g girls - Jenny's still scared of her! But we've become good friends over the years and shot quite a lot together- and she is getting them edited and uploaded!
LisaMoomin said: So I know I've already responded to this, but when actually thinking about it, I'm lucky enough to of met many of our big names...
Mark From Wamtec- an absolute legend, generous, intelligent and has been a massive support to us.
Flav from Eurowam- we had some fun didn't we pal charming, funny, great company
Noise- haha a cocky,witty sarcastic bastard a lot like Leon actually
Candy- So warm and lovely
Iain ecgunge- my very own BFg
Jonny - a man who's had his fingers in many pies! Such a character and very generous
Dunk tank dave - humble and friendly
Ginger- beautiful and friendly
Rich Trouso- intelligent, kind and very down to earth
Rev- a true gent
Dm1- smart, kind, true to himself
Maria- beautifully bonkers, great company
Bill Shipton- I met him at the famous Brum meet, to me he was humble and seemed to carry round a great sadness
Jessie- very smart and witty
I'm sure there are others. Honestly though, in my 15 years of meetings, I've only met 2/3 characters that weren't my personal cup of tea.
Mark From Wamtec- an absolute legend, generous, intelligent and has been a massive support to us.
Flav from Eurowam- we had some fun didn't we pal
charming, funny, great company Noise- haha a cocky,witty sarcastic bastard
a lot like Leon actually Candy
- So warm and lovely Iain ecgunge- my very own BFg
Jonny - a man who's had his fingers in many pies! Such a character and very generous
Dunk tank dave - humble and friendly
Ginger- beautiful and friendly
Rich Trouso- intelligent, kind and very down to earth
Rev- a true gent
Dm1- smart, kind, true to himself
Maria- beautifully bonkers, great company
Bill Shipton- I met him at the famous Brum meet, to me he was humble and seemed to carry round a great sadness
Jessie- very smart and witty
I'm sure there are others. Honestly though, in my 15 years of meetings, I've only met 2/3 characters that weren't my personal cup of tea.
Fingers in pies Lisa, come on, you know I'm a gunge man!
iain-ecgunge said:
I nearly posted about the first time I met Lisa and Leon, it was at Brum (you'd think the world revolved around that place - can't remember how lost I got finding it that time - it predated Google maps!) Anyway, I heard a familiar giggle, turned around remarking something really helpful like "I know that giggle" - this of course only worked one way as my border tongue disnae gan wi biding in Surrey! Makes me feel old thinking back how long I've been conversing with some people!
I think I first met Araneae at a 3g mud wrestling show in Reading, I'd been a part of Scarlett's sploshing career since the start (yep I was gunge mixer on her first shoot) anyway Ari was the scary one of the 3g girls - Jenny's still scared of her! But we've become good friends over the years and shot quite a lot together- and she is getting them edited and uploaded!
LisaMoomin said: Iain ecgunge- my very own BFg
I nearly posted about the first time I met Lisa and Leon, it was at Brum (you'd think the world revolved around that place - can't remember how lost I got finding it that time - it predated Google maps!) Anyway, I heard a familiar giggle, turned around remarking something really helpful like "I know that giggle" - this of course only worked one way as my border tongue disnae gan wi biding in Surrey! Makes me feel old thinking back how long I've been conversing with some people! I think I first met Araneae at a 3g mud wrestling show in Reading, I'd been a part of Scarlett's sploshing career since the start (yep I was gunge mixer on her first shoot) anyway Ari was the scary one of the 3g girls - Jenny's still scared of her! But we've become good friends over the years and shot quite a lot together- and she is getting them edited and uploaded!
I'm still scared of Ari! No 1. Scowl on the scene - lover of veggie Haribo and almost survived my driving in a flood and tempest on a mercy dash from Weston
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