I have a few that I will never buy anything or support their work. I get the fact that WAM producers work very hard to produce some amazing content but sadly many do not make anything that appeals to me. I wont mention my reasons but Im curious to know what other people think.

Regis.

Wambob.

I have never bought anything from myself.

I'm a cheap bastard.

Robby
WAMma Lamma Pie

Ugh. I knew giving my shit away on Youtube was counterproductive.

There are plenty of producers I likely will never buy from. It's nothing personal though. Many of the ones I don't buy from put out high quality material that I have great respect for. The issue is that I have particular things I'm looking for in a clip. A lot of producers just don't make material that suits my tastes. I could give a list, but it'd probably be easier to list the ones I do buy from (which I also won't do here).

Also, I hate to shit on people, but I'll make an exception in this case. Your thread here is ridiculously rude to all of the models and producers who are active on this forum. What do you hope to achieve by asking people to start calling out specific producers and models they don't like?

I would never buy from someone trying to start a complete flame out.

Or WAMregis.

I only buy the raw, unpasteurised footage from hipster 'craft' WAM producers using renewably felled models free to roam the dales and prairies.

You made me smile.

Honest to god, when I was in Berlin a couple of years ago I got drawn into a debate with a couple of vegan wammers who were arguing that using cream/custard/eggs etc. in wam is unethical. I'm vegetarian myself but this was just too much eyeroll for me. Bring on the custard (organic, of course ).

And the award for "Best Reply in Thread" goes to... Trouso! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Brilliant... best laugh I've had in 2017 so far!

Were you on a package holiday for vegan and vegetarian wammers? (in which case, where do I sign up?) Or did you just bump into them?

I don't see anything wrong with their stance. I'm also vegetarian (rather than vegan), but if you buy a particular product then you're supporting the people/processs behind it. That applies whether you eat it, sit on it, or just chuck it in the bin unopened.


You could use shaving foam pies, gunge (natrosol), mud, or porridge (oatmeal) with water rather than milk. That's just off the top of my head, and I'm sure there are other options.

Bingo! I love you Caution! This is a really passive aggressive start shit thread for sure!

Oh!! And don't ever buy anything from Mypierogative, she's a raging lunatic feminazi that is addicted to pie sex with vegans and clowns. Total freak show I tell you!!!

I've noticed that.



:footinmouth:

Love ya, Maria!

Norman

I'm not sure if this is just poorly worded or if it's meant to start a flame war. My attention was drawn to the middle sentence (my added "bold" type), where he's saying many producers put a lot of work into their vids and do a great job, but there's some element(s) that doesn't appeal to him so he doesn't buy the vids.

That sentence by itself would be true for most people here, I'm sure. But the sentences before & after that just really muddy (no pun intended!) the meaning/intent.

Is he just looking for confirmation that other people think like him; that they don't buy vids that don't appeal to them? That would be odd.

So.... maybe we're back to "intent of starting a flame war"? I dunno!

Norman

Perfect. Check your inbox. :devil: :devil: :devil:

j/k


As far as the vegan thing goes - come play with us in the mud camp. The only cruelty there is what you consent to.

I can categorically state that I will never buy material from people whose material I haven't identified as being of interest to me, with the proviso that I reserve the right to change my position dependent on whether I identify their having subsequently made available material of a nature that is consistent with that that is of interest to me.

Honestly, 100+30/hr seem pretty reasonable. What the hell kind of travel were you paying for, China? I'd ask for receipts before agreeing to pay for anything like that.

Ah, I was thinking per hour of work to film. $30/minute of film doesn't sound unreasonable either. I imagine if you were going for something 90 minutes long though, you'd probably want talk about it before paying $2900.

WHAAAAAAAAT?? DAMN! i wanna work for them!! gimme that money! i dont think ive ever heard of 2900 for a CUSTOM??? what?? gimme this producer so i can start working for them! lol. im kidding. that is literally, insanity.
i think everyone on here is great and adds their own touch to the umd! so, honestly, i cant say "who i wouldnt buy from" bc, we all have our thing! sometimes i see a producer I usually am not watching closely, do something that i REALLY like!! so, i feel like you just cant discount ppl! you never know! they surprise you!! and the umd is full of us! just popping out fun surprises like marias make out session here recently??? yall saw that, right??! oh my goodness!! i was like DAYYYYUUUUUMMM GIRL!!!
i cant wait for her to come see us again!! bring it on!!

Pretty sure you could buy every single clip in my main download store for $2900.... and I've been shooting for 12 years.

Side note: Would you like to book a custom with any of my models? They will do not 2... not 3... but FOUR buckets of slime! And maybe a pie or two! All for a mere $2899.95!!

hey you get that deal and ill work on my abs and ill come work for yas, if you will let me! i got new boobs! yay! ill work that slingshot like a fucking champion!!

Instead of a discussion about producers you will never buy from, maybe talk about things you like in general or don't like. Maybe turn this into something useful for producers so that they know what new things they try that might not hit. I dunno, turn this into something productive instead of an attempt to bash producers. My hell this is as bad as that Wam models are not people post. What is it, has all the goodwill towards man worn off and now all the pricks are on parade again?

I don't have anyone in mind, but I have seen fairly recent videos that were blurry and low resolution, as though shot on older equipment. Even a $200 pocket camera will shoot fairly high quality video today, so if such producers are still using antiquated video cameras, I for one, will not be buying their videos.

So I avoid the low quality stuff, not on account of what is being shot, but on the quality of the video. I want to see clear, full screen video quality, and in this day and age, it ought to be the norm.

I bought some videos a few years ago, where the producer (off-camera) was prompting the model with each line she had to say, i.e. I heard each line twice. That's something to avoid, even if it simply means that the producer has to edit the video to chop out each of the prompts (with visible "jumps" on-screen).

OK Fneu I will start, with something real unlike your bullshit 3,000 dollar custom for a few buckets of slime LOL!!!!!

I like clothed wam. For sets that are all nude, that is not something I like. Does not mean I don't like the work of the model or producer because I see clothed people that do all nude and vice versa. There are people here that like the all nude shoots. Nothing wrong with it.

I can't imagine a situation where I'd refuse to consider anyone's work en-masse, unless they'd been proven to have been a scammer (in which case their work is probably gone anyway). And even then, if a reputable producer takes over their catalogue and sells it, it'll all depend on what the scenes contain, not who is in them or originally shot them.

There are personal taste things which guarantee I won't buy a scene, low-rise jeans are an absolute no-sale, as are scenes where the model sits with their legs crossed as this totally blocks being able to see their skirt or trousers getting messed up. I'd also never buy a nude or hardcore scene, as I'm only interested in fully clothed WAM, and I'm unlikely to ever buy a clothed-to-nude one as in my experience the emphasis is usually all on the nude bit which I'm not interested in. I've also no interest in pie-in-the-face scenes. There are scenes with camera approaches I don't like - filming mud scenes from the bank instead of going right into the mud with the models is a sale-killer for me. But people can adopt new techniques, so that doesn't mean I'll never buy from someone, they might change their content to something I do like in the future. I'd imagine this probably applies to just about everyone.

In that vein of thought, this is a list of things I avoid and things that I look for in producer clips. I guess you could view this as a compendium of my tastes when it comes to producer scenes.

Disclaimer: The views noted here are purely my own opinion, and I'm sure some people reading this will know whom I'm referring to with them. It doesn't mean those producers' clips are bad, it means that I don't personally enjoy them.
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Things I Avoid

Production Issues

1. People trying to be "sexy" - I'm frankly not interested in being seduced, I'm looking for people showing genuine reactions. Since you can't really see this until you purchase a clip, it's a mistake I need to make once per producer.

2. People overacting - We all have innate bullshit detectors. When someone's trying too hard to act in a scene, it's blatantly obvious and completely ruins a scene for me.

3. Poor camerawork - Some producers have difficulty holding a camera still and feel like they need to zoom in randomly. All the camera needs to do is record the action. As an audience, we don't need to be told what to look at.

4. Poor editing - Adding music, cutting poorly, not recording aftermath. This isn't normally too much of an issue though.

Pricing

1. Anything over $15 - No scene is worth it. Doubly so when you have no preview to go on.

2. Anything priced per minute - Generally, I buy a producer clip to see a particular segment of it that interests me. There is absolutely no reason I'd pay $50 for some hour-long video when I only care about 2 minutes of it.

3. Anything priced per video quality - This is one of those things which just feels insidious. The scene is worth $5, but if you want 720p, that'll be another $2, and if you want 1080, another $2 on top of that. I never feel good purchasing a clip like this regardless of the quality I end up choosing.

Personal Taste

1. Looking up - Just no.

2. Shaving Cream - It is not WAM. It is soap.

3. Mess only on clothes - I'm honestly not interested in clothes in a producer film getting messy. If that's the focus of a video, I'm not buying it.

4. Mess not being applied by the winner of a game - If two people are facing off in a game, and one wins, that person should have the honor of messing up the loser. It's the most satisfying form of humiliation for me. Playing a game and then having a third party apply the mess just ruins that for me.

5. Complete Nudity - Personally, I don't really enjoy complete nudity all that much. Underwear is much more sexy in my opinion.

6. Lack of hair mess - I love seeing someone mess a woman's hair up. In most cases, if a scene lacks hair mess, I won't purchase it.

7. Too much of the body covered in mess - 100% of visual skin being covered in mess just feels very artificial to me. I can't really appreciate it.

8. Too many types of mess - I love simplicity in a scene. An example of this being an issue is a situation where hair is covered in treacle, but then is also covered in a bunch of less-thick substances. Anything past the treacle is really just pointless since it'll just run off. Similarly, if a woman is covered in 10 things already, the 11th doesn't really add much to the picture.

9. Self-WAM

10. Slapstick - I'm just not into it. Sorry Rich
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Things I Look For

Personal Tastes

1. Bra and Panty filling (or swimsuit filling) - Note that this is not "clothes filling". I'm not into stuff being poured into pants, but outside of panties. Clothes filling is more mental than it is visual. Bonus points for sports bras.

2. Hair mess - If a scene has a woman's hair being shampooed with mess, I will buy it. Saturation Hall videos are a prime example of this done right.

2a. Maple Syrup on Hair - I can't even fathom why this is so rare. It is my favorite substance to see hair soaked with. If this is in a scene I will buy it.

3. Actual Cold - It doesn't matter how many times you've been cold. It is always just as effective each and every time. This is along the lines of not faking reactions in a video. Seduction Studio videos have this nailed. WAM Shorts also did this quite well for a while.

4. Games which result in a loser getting messy and a winner staying clean - The victory means nothing if the winner gets messy. Just split the scene into two clips and sell them separately if you want to have both sides get messy. Project20M is great at this.

Pricing

1. Sales - I am an absolute sucker for sales. Just throwing that out there.