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"WAM models do not have families"
Love you, too
It's an interesting dichotomy. On the one hand, it's important to be able to objectify people to appreciate them in a sexual situation. On the other hand though, circumstantial information about the person can improve the experience. It really comes down to being able to get the sweet-spot.
ABGamma said: It's an interesting dichotomy. On the one hand, it's important to be able to objectify people to appreciate them in a sexual situation. On the other hand though, circumstantial information about the person can improve the experience. It really comes down to being able to get the sweet-spot.
I don't think I need to objectify people. It's their background, after all, that makes them who they are, and they act/react, real or fake, based on the sum total of their experiences. For me, I don't mind knowing about a model's life at all, provided they chose willingly to share the details. I think my attraction to WAM, and probably to anything, is somewhat empathy-based.
I think part of the reason my WAM shoots don't appeal to everybody, is, besides the fact that most of my models have tattoos, piercings, and wildly colored hair, is a lot of our shoots are about exploring texture and color, and a lot of my models are fairly feminist and look at it as a sort of empowerment and celebration of beauty and creativity than as humiliation, which seems to be a running theme in a lot of WAM productions.
moho said: Actually never thought about it!!
I think I don't mind about it... In fact, I remember a video from PFG where you can hear a little girl laughing each time the model was pied... maybe her daugther?!?!
Regards!!
I think I don't mind about it... In fact, I remember a video from PFG where you can hear a little girl laughing each time the model was pied... maybe her daugther?!?!
Regards!!
Gee I missed that one! Based on my thoughts in this thread, I am glad I did! lol
ABGamma said: It's an interesting dichotomy. On the one hand, it's important to be able to objectify people to appreciate them in a sexual situation. On the other hand though, circumstantial information about the person can improve the experience. It really comes down to being able to get the sweet-spot.
I DO indeed believe circumstantial info about a person can enhance the experience. Or more precisely, circumstantial info about the character the model is playing. As many of you know, I like STORY for this reason. One girl pie-ing another without a story to go with it, is dull. But the SAME video where it is established this is a vengeful maid pie-ing her boss is MUCH more interesting.
But getting back to the model's personal life, I do find it a turn on if I know that model has worked with some BIG STAR in a movie and now she is reduced to a big sloppy mess in the video I am watching. It adds to the humiliation. But knowing that this model is doing this video for a few bucks and then is going to go home and make dinner for her 3 kids shortly after....................meh. That's a turn off.
Um...they have families. I just don't think about their families when watching them for sexy reasons (I mean, I don't think they'd even want me to, cause that's a weird place to go when watching two nekkid girls pieing each other in the face or something). But that doesn't stop them from being people.
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
messyhot said: I think part of the reason my WAM shoots don't appeal to everybody, is, besides the fact that most of my models have tattoos, piercings, and wildly colored hair, is a lot of our shoots are about exploring texture and color, and a lot of my models are fairly feminist and look at it as a sort of empowerment and celebration of beauty and creativity than as humiliation, which seems to be a running theme in a lot of WAM productions.
Interesting, and not something I'd thought of. TBH the reason your scenes don't appeal to me is the lack of clothing, dress the same girls in well fitting boilersuits or high-waist combat trousers and I'd be all over your catalogue, I love alternative looks.
But you may well be onto something. I've long known that my scenes also don't appeal to everyone, I always assumed partly because of the clothing styles - but the reason so many of my scenes involve girls in overalls, etc, is that I'm a life-long feminist who has always found women in practical outfits way more attractive than traditionally "sexy" ones - stockings and suspenders and all that nonsense bore me rigid, but I cannot get enough of girls who want to be Sarah Connor from Terminator 2 or the gun-toting Ellen Ripley from Aliens. The whole Saturation Hall back-story is based round the idea that everyone there loves to get wet and messy fully clothed, so even if something is presented as a punishment in reality everyone knows the person receiving it is loving every minute even if she pretends at first that she isn't. And all the models I shoot with genuinely do enjoy getting messy as a fun thing to do. I'd never considered that this might put people off who like actual humiliation though.
TBH the only way I could film an actual non-joke humuliation-by-wam would be if the model was personally into being humiliated as her own fetish, and as yet I've not been approached by a model looking for that.
In response to the OP, no, I've no problem knowing that a model in a wam scene has family, boyfriends, girlfriends, people who care about her, etc - as someone else said, I like watching people who enjoy getting wet and messy, getting wet and messy.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
I imagine they have kids.
And when someone visits the house, I imagine the kid telling them
"My mom is a great cook, but she is sloppy. She always dumps the cake mix and oatmeal all over when she cooks".
And when someone visits the house, I imagine the kid telling them
"My mom is a great cook, but she is sloppy. She always dumps the cake mix and oatmeal all over when she cooks".
WAM in a vacuum - sounds like a great new WAM niche!
Jayce comes vacuum-packed!
I think that would be WAM in outer space.
My ex-best friend had a vacuum-packing machine
that I would always hear her run while I was on the telephone with her.
She would vacuum-pack EVERYTHING: food, clothing, medicine, etc.
Totally agree with the original poster (OP).
Although, it's not so much the thought of the model having a family,
100-year-old grandmother/grandfather to take care of,
that turns me off, but the thought of the mere existence of my OWN family.
There is NO greater boner killer than when the thought of your father or mother,
or brother or sister, pops into your mind while jacking off to WAM thoughts.
In fact, I find the thought of my brother & sister MUCH more repulsive than
the thought of my (dearly deceased) mom & dad. Given their jerky personalities.
Not just brother & sister, but non-wam-related friends or acquaintances.
That is why all my WAM fantasies that take place in public
take place in some far-away nameless hidden location
where NOBODY knows me or the WAM model.
Jayce comes vacuum-packed!
I think that would be WAM in outer space.
My ex-best friend had a vacuum-packing machine
that I would always hear her run while I was on the telephone with her.
She would vacuum-pack EVERYTHING: food, clothing, medicine, etc.
Totally agree with the original poster (OP).
Although, it's not so much the thought of the model having a family,
100-year-old grandmother/grandfather to take care of,
that turns me off, but the thought of the mere existence of my OWN family.
There is NO greater boner killer than when the thought of your father or mother,
or brother or sister, pops into your mind while jacking off to WAM thoughts.
In fact, I find the thought of my brother & sister MUCH more repulsive than
the thought of my (dearly deceased) mom & dad. Given their jerky personalities.
Not just brother & sister, but non-wam-related friends or acquaintances.
That is why all my WAM fantasies that take place in public
take place in some far-away nameless hidden location
where NOBODY knows me or the WAM model.
The first part of my rant was the positive part.
For the second part of my rant, the negative part,
I HATE/ (sarcastically "love") the irony/hypocrisy of breeders of animals
- both human & nonhuman animals - who think think they are entitled
to force a new human (or nonhuman) into existence without their permission
- and then complain about having to take care of that person (or nonhuman)
for the rest of their lives.
Make the world a perfectly fair place first. Then you can breed.
I hate seeing comments from idiots who make the dumbfuck response
of pretending to act all self-righteous & make the dumbfuck remark:
"What if that was your SISTER or your MOTHER or your DAUGHTER or your BROTHER or your FATHER or your SON appearing in a fetish magazine,
or having sex with another person?"
Essentially sex-shaming or slut-shaming a person
or whatever it is you want to call it.
Yeah - well - so what if it WERE? They're not sharing their fetish with ME.
They're not having sex with ME. So, obviously, I would choose NOT to buy
a fetish or porn magazine featuring my daughter/son/etc
I mean - geez
- my sister has sex with my brother-in-law and my brother has sex with my sister-in-law. The thought of either of them doing it obviously disgusts ME, but not my brother-in-law or sister-in-law.
How fucking stupid do you have to be about causality to not comprehend the enormous distinction between A having sex with B vs A having sex with C?
For the second part of my rant, the negative part,
I HATE/ (sarcastically "love") the irony/hypocrisy of breeders of animals
- both human & nonhuman animals - who think think they are entitled
to force a new human (or nonhuman) into existence without their permission
- and then complain about having to take care of that person (or nonhuman)
for the rest of their lives.
Make the world a perfectly fair place first. Then you can breed.
I hate seeing comments from idiots who make the dumbfuck response
of pretending to act all self-righteous & make the dumbfuck remark:
"What if that was your SISTER or your MOTHER or your DAUGHTER or your BROTHER or your FATHER or your SON appearing in a fetish magazine,
or having sex with another person?"
Essentially sex-shaming or slut-shaming a person
or whatever it is you want to call it.
Yeah - well - so what if it WERE? They're not sharing their fetish with ME.
They're not having sex with ME. So, obviously, I would choose NOT to buy
a fetish or porn magazine featuring my daughter/son/etc
I mean - geez
- my sister has sex with my brother-in-law and my brother has sex with my sister-in-law. The thought of either of them doing it obviously disgusts ME, but not my brother-in-law or sister-in-law. How fucking stupid do you have to be about causality to not comprehend the enormous distinction between A having sex with B vs A having sex with C?
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It's interesting reading your thoughts on this Bozo. It implies you think there is something shameful about a woman that is a mother, daughter, wife etc also being able to embrace and enjoy her sexuality, and that also enjoys sharing it with a bit of exhibitionism on the internet. I personally can't think of anything sexier or mysterious than a woman who can be multifaceted with multiple layers and talents in life.
As for the comment about some of the ladies of umd "gushing about their personal problems" I'd say it's views such as this one that continue to create an unbalanced and unwelcoming environment for women here. The reason many experience, in part, some of these problems is having to deal with men who aim to dehumanized women that take part in the sex industry. While we may not all be hard core banging, be assured we all work in the sex industry, and there isn't a damn thing shameful or "sinful" about it.
There are "models" that take WAM jobs, and then there are lifestyle lady wammers here. I am the latter and have never considered myself a "WAM model." Many men on umd go on and on about how they want to see women actually enjoying our fetish, so to then dehumanized them to people you want to just be models doesn't work guys. Absolutely any woman on umd will tell you, especially those that have stores and provide content, that a good portion of our time is conversations with guys on here that need a pep talk about how they aren't pervs, or freaks, or weird. In other words providing a safe space to talk with someone of the opposite sex about fetish desires and dream relationships. So YES, when women here get frustrated and make posts telling SOME members of umd to chill out with the demands it is completely understandable as many provide therapy to others here on a daily basis. This attitude of we don't have lives and families outside of taking a pie in the face and existing for YOUR pleasure alone is what makes women here upset.
I suggest umd guys with this opinion find "models" with no interest in WAM to provide your material and take your money. Certainly to bitch about the women that are actually a part of this community will get you no where, and its just pushing us out further with the toxic space this dehumanizing position makes. Just a suggestion though. From what I'm reading it would definitely make more sense to pick your model, pay her, jerk off, and move along, allowing the rest of us to embrace each other and revel in our kinks TOGETHER in a place (umd) where we are all welcome to be ourselves and honest and real.
P.S. I am not now, nor will I ever be a simple jerk off prop for someone else. Within the situations I can control anyway. I exist for my pleasure and happiness and invite anyone into my kooky world that wants to have fun and get messy kinky with me! Sadly the men that need to read this the most will most probably never see it. Lol!
This two cents as been brought to you by MYPIEROGATIVE. I hope the name makes sense now! Hahahahhaha!
As for the comment about some of the ladies of umd "gushing about their personal problems" I'd say it's views such as this one that continue to create an unbalanced and unwelcoming environment for women here. The reason many experience, in part, some of these problems is having to deal with men who aim to dehumanized women that take part in the sex industry. While we may not all be hard core banging, be assured we all work in the sex industry, and there isn't a damn thing shameful or "sinful" about it.
There are "models" that take WAM jobs, and then there are lifestyle lady wammers here. I am the latter and have never considered myself a "WAM model." Many men on umd go on and on about how they want to see women actually enjoying our fetish, so to then dehumanized them to people you want to just be models doesn't work guys. Absolutely any woman on umd will tell you, especially those that have stores and provide content, that a good portion of our time is conversations with guys on here that need a pep talk about how they aren't pervs, or freaks, or weird. In other words providing a safe space to talk with someone of the opposite sex about fetish desires and dream relationships. So YES, when women here get frustrated and make posts telling SOME members of umd to chill out with the demands it is completely understandable as many provide therapy to others here on a daily basis. This attitude of we don't have lives and families outside of taking a pie in the face and existing for YOUR pleasure alone is what makes women here upset.
I suggest umd guys with this opinion find "models" with no interest in WAM to provide your material and take your money. Certainly to bitch about the women that are actually a part of this community will get you no where, and its just pushing us out further with the toxic space this dehumanizing position makes. Just a suggestion though. From what I'm reading it would definitely make more sense to pick your model, pay her, jerk off, and move along, allowing the rest of us to embrace each other and revel in our kinks TOGETHER in a place (umd) where we are all welcome to be ourselves and honest and real.
P.S. I am not now, nor will I ever be a simple jerk off prop for someone else. Within the situations I can control anyway. I exist for my pleasure and happiness and invite anyone into my kooky world that wants to have fun and get messy kinky with me! Sadly the men that need to read this the most will most probably never see it. Lol!
This two cents as been brought to you by MYPIEROGATIVE. I hope the name makes sense now! Hahahahhaha!
MyPieRogative said: It's interesting reading your thoughts on this Bozo. It implies you think there is something shameful about a woman that is a mother, daughter, wife etc also being able to embrace and enjoy her sexuality, and that also enjoys sharing it with a bit of exhibitionism on the internet. I personally can't think of anything sexier or mysterious than a woman who can be multifaceted with multiple layers and talents in life.
As for the comment about some of the ladies of umd "gushing about their personal problems" I'd say it's views such as this one that continue to create an unbalanced and unwelcoming environment for women here. The reason many experience, in part, some of these problems is having to deal with men who aim to dehumanized women that take part in the sex industry. While we may not all be hard core banging, be assured we all work in the sex industry, and there isn't a damn thing shameful or "sinful" about it.
There are "models" that take WAM jobs, and then there are lifestyle lady wammers here. I am the latter and have never considered myself a "WAM model." Many men on umd go on and on about how they want to see women actually enjoying our fetish, so to then dehumanized them to people you want to just be models doesn't work guys. Absolutely any woman on umd will tell you, especially those that have stores and provide content, that a good portion of our time is conversations with guys on here that need a pep talk about how they aren't pervs, or freaks, or weird. In other words providing a safe space to talk with someone of the opposite sex about fetish desires and dream relationships. So YES, when women here get frustrated and make posts telling SOME members of umd to chill out with the demands it is completely understandable as many provide therapy to others here on a daily basis. This attitude of we don't have lives and families outside of taking a pie in the face and existing for YOUR pleasure alone is what makes women here upset.
I suggest umd guys with this opinion find "models" with no interest in WAM to provide your material and take your money. Certainly to bitch about the women that are actually a part of this community will get you no where, and its just pushing us out further with the toxic space this dehumanizing position makes. Just a suggestion though. From what I'm reading it would definitely make more sense to pick your model, pay her, jerk off, and move along, allowing the rest of us to embrace each other and revel in our kinks TOGETHER in a place (umd) where we are all welcome to be ourselves and honest and real.
P.S. I am not now, nor will I ever be a simple jerk off prop for someone else. Within the situations I can control anyway. I exist for my pleasure and happiness and invite anyone into my kooky world that wants to have fun and get messy kinky with me! Sadly the men that need to read this the most will most probably never see it. Lol!
This two cents as been brought to you by MYPIEROGATIVE. I hope the name makes sense now! Hahahahhaha!
As for the comment about some of the ladies of umd "gushing about their personal problems" I'd say it's views such as this one that continue to create an unbalanced and unwelcoming environment for women here. The reason many experience, in part, some of these problems is having to deal with men who aim to dehumanized women that take part in the sex industry. While we may not all be hard core banging, be assured we all work in the sex industry, and there isn't a damn thing shameful or "sinful" about it.
There are "models" that take WAM jobs, and then there are lifestyle lady wammers here. I am the latter and have never considered myself a "WAM model." Many men on umd go on and on about how they want to see women actually enjoying our fetish, so to then dehumanized them to people you want to just be models doesn't work guys. Absolutely any woman on umd will tell you, especially those that have stores and provide content, that a good portion of our time is conversations with guys on here that need a pep talk about how they aren't pervs, or freaks, or weird. In other words providing a safe space to talk with someone of the opposite sex about fetish desires and dream relationships. So YES, when women here get frustrated and make posts telling SOME members of umd to chill out with the demands it is completely understandable as many provide therapy to others here on a daily basis. This attitude of we don't have lives and families outside of taking a pie in the face and existing for YOUR pleasure alone is what makes women here upset.
I suggest umd guys with this opinion find "models" with no interest in WAM to provide your material and take your money. Certainly to bitch about the women that are actually a part of this community will get you no where, and its just pushing us out further with the toxic space this dehumanizing position makes. Just a suggestion though. From what I'm reading it would definitely make more sense to pick your model, pay her, jerk off, and move along, allowing the rest of us to embrace each other and revel in our kinks TOGETHER in a place (umd) where we are all welcome to be ourselves and honest and real.
P.S. I am not now, nor will I ever be a simple jerk off prop for someone else. Within the situations I can control anyway. I exist for my pleasure and happiness and invite anyone into my kooky world that wants to have fun and get messy kinky with me! Sadly the men that need to read this the most will most probably never see it. Lol!
This two cents as been brought to you by MYPIEROGATIVE. I hope the name makes sense now! Hahahahhaha!
I hid Bozo's posts earlier because the only response I could think of was, er... impolite to say the least. Maria's link brought me back here... You see, I'm quitting nicotine (vaping... gave up smoking ages ago) and I'm kinda cranky at the moment, resulting in keyboard smashing rants with ALL the cusswords so I'm trying to avoid doing that.
I will instead simply say 'I pity you' wonder why any man would want to make it public how emotionally challenged he is and leave this here
"The Madonna-Whore Complex is known as the distinction men draw between the women they desire and the women they respect with the implication that those two categories are mutually exclusive. I'd like to say that in 2017, we're all ready to give up Freudian psychology. But alas, here we are"
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I don't often give my thoughts here, but somehow this threat did provoke me to do so.
To be honest, I am more happy to think of WAM models als people with family and all the personality connected to it. This is maybe because I want to accept WAM also as part of my personality (which not always is easy), so I do want to consume material where the models also seem to have fun and do WAM as "full human beings". So I guess even some of my secret hope is that they do not only do it for the money they are receiving as I find women who do enjoy WAM also hot / attractive.
Not sure if I was able to express myself but I can see the point of models that do not wanted be "objectivized" - and I am actually happy that there are female users here who do address this point. It somehow gives hope to a more heterosexual guy to meet a female person who enjoys WAM at some stage in real life =)
To be honest, I am more happy to think of WAM models als people with family and all the personality connected to it. This is maybe because I want to accept WAM also as part of my personality (which not always is easy), so I do want to consume material where the models also seem to have fun and do WAM as "full human beings". So I guess even some of my secret hope is that they do not only do it for the money they are receiving as I find women who do enjoy WAM also hot / attractive.
Not sure if I was able to express myself but I can see the point of models that do not wanted be "objectivized" - and I am actually happy that there are female users here who do address this point. It somehow gives hope to a more heterosexual guy to meet a female person who enjoys WAM at some stage in real life =)
I like to see people as human beings, not objects so that sounds pretty fucked up to me.
Even in my femdom work when I treat my slave as my property to abuse and humiliate I know he has a daughter and an ex-wife he is still friends with. That doesn't make it any less fun to humiliate him. It adds to it for me to know someone as an individual.
Even in my femdom work when I treat my slave as my property to abuse and humiliate I know he has a daughter and an ex-wife he is still friends with. That doesn't make it any less fun to humiliate him. It adds to it for me to know someone as an individual.
GuyHuman said: Knowing she's a mother, sister or daughter certainly doesn't take away from the experience for me, if anything it makes her hotter, but that's all I want to know. Models who have gushed too much on these forums about their personal problems and shed too much light on what they use the funds for have lost their appeal to me. Mystery is a crucial ingredient for attraction.
That is a huge turn off for me too. Obviously all models have lives outside of what they do on the internet. If you have kids or not I don't mind one way or the other, but if you constantly talk about your kids or bitch about how hard it is to be a mom then you need to grow up and start acting like a mom. It's not exactly appropriate to be talking about your kids on a fetish site. You should respect the privacy of your own children for god's sake.
GuyHuman said: Knowing she's a mother, sister or daughter certainly doesn't take away from the experience for me, if anything it makes her hotter, but that's all I want to know. Models who have gushed too much on these forums about their personal problems and shed too much light on what they use the funds for have lost their appeal to me. Mystery is a crucial ingredient for attraction.
I also agree with this but not for attraction purposes. It just smacks of desperation, is uncouth, icky/cringey and no one elses business. Far better for brains and decorum to be used (and to genuinely be a wammer interested in the community) than to continually smack everyone round the head with a cash hungry haddock
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New Orleans, Louisiana
LeilaHazlett said:
That is a huge turn off for me too. Obviously all models have lives outside of what they do on the internet. If you have kids or not I don't mind one way or the other, but if you constantly talk about your kids or bitch about how hard it is to be a mom then you need to grow up and start acting like a mom. It's not exactly appropriate to be talking about your kids on a fetish site. You should respect the privacy of your own children for god's sake.
GuyHuman said: Knowing she's a mother, sister or daughter certainly doesn't take away from the experience for me, if anything it makes her hotter, but that's all I want to know. Models who have gushed too much on these forums about their personal problems and shed too much light on what they use the funds for have lost their appeal to me. Mystery is a crucial ingredient for attraction.
That is a huge turn off for me too. Obviously all models have lives outside of what they do on the internet. If you have kids or not I don't mind one way or the other, but if you constantly talk about your kids or bitch about how hard it is to be a mom then you need to grow up and start acting like a mom. It's not exactly appropriate to be talking about your kids on a fetish site. You should respect the privacy of your own children for god's sake.
It's so funny how we can all take something different out of what we read. I read the "gushing about personal problems" in reference to posts I've read on here where lady wammers and models have made posts to everyone instead of responding one by one explaining why they haven't checked mail, or why they aren't currently filming etc. or to just say piss off with acting like I don't have a life when there's a barrage of inbox and emails that are super pissy. I scan and don't open a lot of threads though, I haven't seen anyone speaking at length about their children here.
New Orleans, Louisiana
noideer said:
The sexism is strong with this one!!
Wam models can do what they want end of story! Stop inviting arguments on here you sexist ignoramous!!
Bozo1 said: WAM models do not have families. At least that's the way I think of it in my head. lol Thinking of some girl that is being humiliated as someone's mom/wife/daughter is not a really a turn on.
So they just exist in a vacuum (in my mind anyway).
Thoughts?
So they just exist in a vacuum (in my mind anyway).
Thoughts?
The sexism is strong with this one!!
Wam models can do what they want end of story! Stop inviting arguments on here you sexist ignoramous!!
Nothing wrong with a good discussion Steve.
New Orleans, Louisiana
CandyCustard said:
I also agree with this but not for attraction purposes. It just smacks of desperation, is uncouth, icky/cringey and no one elses business. Far better for brains and decorum to be used (and to genuinely be a wammer interested in the community) than to continually smack everyone round the head with a cash hungry haddock
GuyHuman said: Knowing she's a mother, sister or daughter certainly doesn't take away from the experience for me, if anything it makes her hotter, but that's all I want to know. Models who have gushed too much on these forums about their personal problems and shed too much light on what they use the funds for have lost their appeal to me. Mystery is a crucial ingredient for attraction.
I also agree with this but not for attraction purposes. It just smacks of desperation, is uncouth, icky/cringey and no one elses business. Far better for brains and decorum to be used (and to genuinely be a wammer interested in the community) than to continually smack everyone round the head with a cash hungry haddock
Lmao!!!! Candy!!!! You are so damn British! I love it!
If I had seen this thread a year ago when I was ill it would have really upset me.
Models being talked about as non humans yet again by some individual who's sole interest here is having an orgasm.
I would have felt demaned.
However now I don't feel that way.
I feel much stronger these days and realise I have the power to do whatever I want regarding this business.
It's MY decision what I do now,and I now have more customers than ever before,who pay a fairer price for my work than before and all the losers with a 'Sense of Entitlement' I used to pander to I am now happy to not do business with them.
Without having any formal business training or communication skills I have 'gushed about my problems in the past.'
I only did this as a way of trying to explain why my business on here wasn't as good as it could be.
Then when I nearly died Mike tried to explain what was going on with me just out of politeness and so people knew.
Some fuckwits held that against him,had their own agenda's and ultimately made fools of themselves.
I learnt from Mike though,I was upset at first they did that to him whereas it amused him and he pointed out that my life,which has become 'our lives' has ZERO to do with the personal lives of any of the loser types within the world of fetish.
So we just got rid of dealing with any idiots and focused on the great customers and there are LOADS of great customers.
There are LOADS of great characters on UMD too and LOADS of great models too who are not only beautiful,often with their own style but they are also supportive friends of mine.
So I'm just going to continue to be me,the new improved me that is going to only do the work I want to,have fun with WAM as it suits me and join in the fun conversations,the comedy conversations and keep my business going as long as it's financially viable versus my vaulable time.
I'm here for me these days,nobody else and I'll stay on UMD until there is no reason to stay.
Jessie x
Models being talked about as non humans yet again by some individual who's sole interest here is having an orgasm.
I would have felt demaned.
However now I don't feel that way.
I feel much stronger these days and realise I have the power to do whatever I want regarding this business.
It's MY decision what I do now,and I now have more customers than ever before,who pay a fairer price for my work than before and all the losers with a 'Sense of Entitlement' I used to pander to I am now happy to not do business with them.
Without having any formal business training or communication skills I have 'gushed about my problems in the past.'
I only did this as a way of trying to explain why my business on here wasn't as good as it could be.
Then when I nearly died Mike tried to explain what was going on with me just out of politeness and so people knew.
Some fuckwits held that against him,had their own agenda's and ultimately made fools of themselves.
I learnt from Mike though,I was upset at first they did that to him whereas it amused him and he pointed out that my life,which has become 'our lives' has ZERO to do with the personal lives of any of the loser types within the world of fetish.
So we just got rid of dealing with any idiots and focused on the great customers and there are LOADS of great customers.
There are LOADS of great characters on UMD too and LOADS of great models too who are not only beautiful,often with their own style but they are also supportive friends of mine.
So I'm just going to continue to be me,the new improved me that is going to only do the work I want to,have fun with WAM as it suits me and join in the fun conversations,the comedy conversations and keep my business going as long as it's financially viable versus my vaulable time.
I'm here for me these days,nobody else and I'll stay on UMD until there is no reason to stay.
Jessie x
Jason_K416 said: I actually struggle with guilt, thinking most of the time about the models as people, many for whom its just a job, and here I am getting hot and bothered watching them do what they do, and get off to it. With no sexual partner in my life (getting divorced because my own spouse in so many words told me they want nothing to do with my genitals), I find the only way to get off is voyeurism (porn); and that makes me feel like a pathetic human that can't find their own pleasure but must live vicariously through others. So I guess I'm the opposite of this spectrum. I tend to think of the families, and what they sometimes have to do just to survive, how some of them like Phoebe Rodriguez I think it was, were never interested in it, or even hated it. Or even if they're doing it willingly, I'm thinking 'hey, that's someone's spouse, they're not your fantasy, they're the partner of someone else
Hey don't worry about it. I do it cos I love it and I only film other models that love it (or who are very enthusiastically curious) (definitely one step up at least from willingly) and as for the ones with partners, we've all made our own personal peace with that be it mutual agreement or whatever. Some partners even thoroughly enjoy that their gf/wife/partner etc is sometimes lusted after. Be free and enjoy your wam! Hate to see anyone feeling bad about it like that
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Jessiemessy-jessie.com said: If I had seen this thread a year ago it would have really upset me.
Models being talked about as non humans yet again by somew individual who's so interest here is having an orgasm.
I would have felt demaned.
However now I don't feel that way.
I feel much stronger these days and realise I have the power to do whatever I want regarding this business.
It's MY decision what I do now,and I now have more customers than evewr before,who pay a fairer price for my work than before and all the losers with a 'Sense of Entitlement' I used to pander to I am happy to not do business with them.
Without having any formal business training or communication skills I have 'gushed; about my problems in the past.
I only did this as a way of trying to explain why my business on here wasn't as good as it could be.
Then when I nearly died Mike tried to explain what was going on with me just out of politeness and so people knew.
Some fuckwits held that against him,had their own agenda's and ultimately made fools of themselves.
I learnt from Mike though,I was upset at first whereas it amused him and he pointed out that my life,which has become 'our lives' have ZERO to do with the personal lives of any of the loser types with the world of fetish.
So we just got rid of dealing with any idiots and focused on the great customers and there are LOADS of great customers.
There are LOADS of great characters on UMD too and LOADS of great models too who are not only beautiful,often with their own style but they are also supportive friends of mine.
So I'm just going to continue to be me,the new improved me that is going to only do the work I want to,have fun with WAM as it suits me and join in the fun conversations,the comedy conversations and keep my business going as long as it's financially viable versus my vaulable time.
I'm here for me these days,nobody else and I'll stay on UMD until there is no reason to stay.
Jessie x
Models being talked about as non humans yet again by somew individual who's so interest here is having an orgasm.
I would have felt demaned.
However now I don't feel that way.
I feel much stronger these days and realise I have the power to do whatever I want regarding this business.
It's MY decision what I do now,and I now have more customers than evewr before,who pay a fairer price for my work than before and all the losers with a 'Sense of Entitlement' I used to pander to I am happy to not do business with them.
Without having any formal business training or communication skills I have 'gushed; about my problems in the past.
I only did this as a way of trying to explain why my business on here wasn't as good as it could be.
Then when I nearly died Mike tried to explain what was going on with me just out of politeness and so people knew.
Some fuckwits held that against him,had their own agenda's and ultimately made fools of themselves.
I learnt from Mike though,I was upset at first whereas it amused him and he pointed out that my life,which has become 'our lives' have ZERO to do with the personal lives of any of the loser types with the world of fetish.
So we just got rid of dealing with any idiots and focused on the great customers and there are LOADS of great customers.
There are LOADS of great characters on UMD too and LOADS of great models too who are not only beautiful,often with their own style but they are also supportive friends of mine.
So I'm just going to continue to be me,the new improved me that is going to only do the work I want to,have fun with WAM as it suits me and join in the fun conversations,the comedy conversations and keep my business going as long as it's financially viable versus my vaulable time.
I'm here for me these days,nobody else and I'll stay on UMD until there is no reason to stay.
Jessie x
I wish I could "love" this more than once (that goes for some of the other posts, too, but this one was nearer the end and I am feeling lazy)
I don't think objectifying someone in a sexual connotation prevents you from appreciating them as a human being in any other situation.
I guess it'd be like watching a major motion picture. When I watch the Hunger Games, I want to see Katniss on the screen, not Jennifer Lawrence.
The same applies to producer videos. The character being portrayed in the video is designed to be objectified. It is meant to be the subject of someone's sexual excitement. The actual person acting the character is a distinct individual.
Personally, knowing about the actress as a person is completely independent of my enjoyment of their work. I watch producer material to see the characters being portrayed.
I guess it'd be like watching a major motion picture. When I watch the Hunger Games, I want to see Katniss on the screen, not Jennifer Lawrence.
The same applies to producer videos. The character being portrayed in the video is designed to be objectified. It is meant to be the subject of someone's sexual excitement. The actual person acting the character is a distinct individual.
Personally, knowing about the actress as a person is completely independent of my enjoyment of their work. I watch producer material to see the characters being portrayed.
messyhot said: I think part of the reason my WAM shoots don't appeal to everybody, is, besides the fact that most of my models have tattoos, piercings, and wildly colored hair, is a lot of our shoots are about exploring texture and color, and a lot of my models are fairly feminist and look at it as a sort of empowerment and celebration of beauty and creativity than as humiliation, which seems to be a running theme in a lot of WAM productions.
Also, lot's of people are not turned on by cake.
Ever consider doing a slime shoot or are you married to cake porn?
New Orleans, Louisiana
I'd love to meet up with MessyHot!! It would be kinda funny if I put on horrible fake tattoos, and a super bright wig and we could take the piss and pretend I'm trying to scam and fake my way into your videos and then I'll also sneak in slime and get your beautifully bright models with it!!! Woe. Sorry that's way off topic. Message if your down for this kind of plot! Ha!!
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