Only the part about being "little" will be noteworthy to some.

Otherwise, to paraphrase Homer Simpson, 'Your post was more boring than church. All you did was yak, yak, yak... you didn't even shoot anybody'.

Seriously, kayden's profile says she has no computer and no camera right now due to a 'bff'. Sounds like some personal problems there.

I'm now inspired to start a best of Homer thread in off topic.

I seem to remember me and the other mods defending you over and over and over again when you flat out disappeared for months at a time and abandoned your paying customers on your download store and membership sites. After not getting what they paid for, they wanted your head on a pike on multiple separate occasions. We defended the hell out of YOU. I see now that was a waste of time and a big mistake. It won't happen again.


You want to talk about enabling? You used to be Chris's business partner! When he went broke, you and your other silent partner bailed him out by buying all the media he produced. The you did it again. And again. I suspect you did it with Gia too. YOU are the one enabling him. YOU and your cohort are responsible for everyone he has burned because you've made his bad behavior a financially viable business model and you are still profiting from it yourself. Next time you want to point fingers, go look in a mirror.



That's priceless coming from the only ex-moderator to have ever been fired for not doing his job. You have ZERO credibility here. The more you talk, the more foolish you look.

I know you can't see soundguy, but I'm literally standing in my living room giving you an ovation for the above post.

I remember when Noise used to be a moderator here. He never went on record here to explain what happened. Now I can see why. Thanks Soundguy for letting us know.

A stunning piece of overstatement.


For about 30 seconds, then I bailed because I smelt a rat. I then campaigned tirelessly for someone to fucking listen after he ripped off over a custom, and you repeatedly defended Chris and attacked me over it. Every time.




Yeah, you haven't been paying too much attention have you? You have no idea what was paid for what or where any money made goes. You are shooting in the dark.

Next time he wants a download store, how about you tell him no... like I advised.

If you want to talk about credibility... stop letting him set up stores on your system.





I was fired was I?

That's very much news to me... and a fair few others, including the Admin.

Funny thing is, I understand how to be a moderator and was really rather good at it. The key word is moderate...

He hasn't explained anything. I simply ceased to be a moderator. There was no drama. I'm sorry.

You may have noticed I was one of the few no drama moderators. I know you find that hard to believe, but think back.

I certainly would have closed this thread by now, and so would the decent couple of mods if they spent time here anymore.

By decent mods, I mean the ones that get a little badge heavy and want to go full Cartman.

As someone who has no stake or particular interest in the original topic, this thread is hilarious. Top notch, fellas!

Just curious - did you read the entire thread? Because if you did, you'd realize the irony (I never know if I'm using that word correctly) in one of the five you listed.

I'm glad this thread was started. Something similar to me happened and as of now I won't mention any names. I was in communication via umd message and email with a model on here about making a custom video for me. A price was set and the video details were all worked out $250. I sent the money and a week later I got an email saying she had a house fire and needed some more time. She also asked me for an additional $350 to help her rent a hotel room. A week after that I got an email from the model saying she wouldn't make the video any more. She offered me a refund which I said I would be happy to accept but she told me she had to get a loan from the bank and would get back to me next week which is now this week. I am still waiting to hear back from her about the refund and will let you guys know when I hear back from her and if not I'll let you know who she is so no one else gets scammed.

Dude, her house was on fire, you think the fire department works for free?

Sorry you were scammed though buddy, good luck

All these good people getting scammed. This is like the time Johnny Cash was on Little House On The Prairie as a crooked preacher and Michael Landon had to stop him and shit. Did the good people of Walnut Grove learn their lesson and become wary and suspicious of outsiders? I don't remember.

5K? Holy shit. And that's in 1990s money. Had to be the 14 girl pie scene, right?

Mother.

Fucker.

I was messaging you in confidence, and when you asked if you should say something, and I said it was your money thus your call, I thought you would have the tact to start your own thread or at least speak for yourself.

Now anyone with half a brain can put together my posts and verify what you have said. Many already have. So, here we go, then, in an attempt (not, misguided, I hope) to divert a witch hunt.

THE GOOD: Kaydens has done two previous vids for me, which have been fucking fantastic. Fantastic. FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. I choose to believe her (or her cameraman) when she messages me saying that x, y, and z has happened to delay the vid. I choose to believe her if for no other reason than she has delivered in the past... and delivered well.

My rave review of her past work for me would go something like this:

She is a young, fit WAM model who is up for damn near anything, charges a reasonable price, and doesn't fake shit at all. I hate cuts and edits where you suspect or can outright tell that the model cleans up between whatever is going on. I realize that fetish models reserve crazier stuff for customs as to not turn off potential customers (such is the paradox of the fetish model), leaving tamer stuff for cheaper, mass download. But still, even in these customs, other models will clean up or show hesitation. Not Kaydens; she is 100% wam. I love her stuff.

One caution, however, is that when dealing with her after payment, she would sometimes have an excuse or two as to why a vid didn't get made or uploaded in time. Her turnaround time on messages could be a few days as well. No big. It is kind of like a great hotdog joint in Chicago; you arrive for the product, not the service. Usual turnaround, including excuses, was three weeks after payment. No complaints. I always figured this was a hobby for her, and, being an artistic/hippie type in her early twenties, one can't expect punctuality or professionalism to play a major factor in her day-to-day existence.


THE BAD: This situation. I do believe she has fallen on hard times, given that, in the past, nothing like this happened. Regardless, to continue to get online (or have someone else get on line for her, which is ostensibly the same thing) without responding to messages for weeks is downright rude. And when you add money to the rudeness, you create fear on the part of the customer. To continue the hotdog metaphor, this would be like paying for a hotdog and watching the hotdog guy stand around and talk to other customers... for three weeks.

Furthermore, since the last message I received at the time of creating this thread, multiple vids had been uploaded to the site. More hotdog: this would be like the hotdog guy, after taking your money, making hotdogs for customers yet to arrive, while you sit there, empty handed... for three weeks. This was such a change of behavior for her that I feared she was planning to take the money and run, perhaps getting a little more money via uploads before quitting the wam scene. As we have learned, though, her life has taken a nosedive.

Finally, to have someone else continue to upload your vids while leaving paying customers in a lurch was a bad, bad idea from a PR prospective, considering people are eagerly anticipating contact with you and can see you getting online. Let's complete beating this dead horse of a metaphor (see what I did there?) with the following: this would be like the hotdog guy taking your money, telling you the power is out and he can't cook, while he stands there making hotdogs for customers, expecting you to believe him. Keeping in contact, or having the cameraman do so, would have been a better move, if not the absolute best option.

I hope she can recover from this. Kaydens is obviously flaky, young, and in a bad situation; most of us are or have been there. I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

I say the above with the sincere hope to get out in front of what may be an incoming which hunt: either for me, filledmypanties, or Kaydens.

THE UGLY: This goddamned thread. Seriously, shut up about Chris and Gia. Start your own thread. I take no umbrage with you having an issue with these models/producers/whatever. Given the number of people messaging me asking if it is someone related to that mess, I assume you have a right to complain, just please not here. If it weren't for the back and forth about off-topic models, perhaps Kaydens's name would not have been dropped out of frustration. Seriously though, start your own thread. I will give it a "like" or whatever we do here.


P.S. The above was meant in complete defense of Kaydens's past performance while critiquing the handling of this particular situation, and, given that this comes to a suitable resolution, I would heartily recommend her for customs, as many of you already have.

Apropos, perhaps:
"Still, we will let all this be a thing of the past, though it hurts us, and beat down by constraint the anger that rises inside us. Now I am making an end of my anger. It does not become me, unrelentingly to rage on."
19:65, Lattimore Translation

Or, did you mean the other Homer?

Then, perhaps, still apropos:
"Doh!"

Now I'm hungry for hot dogs.

I'd like to drop my usual schtick and give you props on trying to handle a tough situation as graciously and diplomatically as possible. The fact that you've tried to stave off a forum flame war and even acted somewhat protective of Kay speak volumes,and I hope for a positive resolution to your dilemma.

Damn,now I'm going to have to flood the off topic forum with youtube clips of monkeys blowing each other just to even things out.


You can be one of those guys who competes in that Coney Island contest every year. 67 hotdogs in 12 minutes can't be that hard.

Note to MM: As far the clips involving monkey fellatio,you know I'd do it!

I was hoping we were gonna derail with classical lit riffs:

"Woman is a thing forever fitful and forever changing."
Aeneid 4:792 Fitzgerald Translation

Just a few notes, and I'm closing this thread.

Kaydens666 did message me on Sunday and told me about her situation, including a broken computer and stolen camera, plus bills, etc. She said she was not one to ask for help though. She said she would be back in full force in a couple of months. She was on UMD Monday afternoon and changed her profile status, but never actually opened any inbox messages since Sunday. She also has not checked this thread out as far as I know.

Kaydens uploads vids and post-dates them for the future so they automatically appear on that date even if she is not here. There is one in the queue now for Friday.

nywamfan, your model read this and immediately inboxed you. I know you said you'd write here when you got the response, but you haven't read it yet, so I'm just sayin. I hope that works out for you, but let me know if there is anything I can do.

Noise, I do read this forum, especially when I get notifications about it left and right. Threads are kept up until their usefulness has worn out, and I feel all the parties have been able to speak their side. You would have closed it earlier... but then again you are not a mod.

Guarded, once again, cheers for how you handled this, and handled the responses to it. I am closing the thread, but anyone is welcome to start a new one IF there is new information.

Peace!
Messmaster