I do think that Trump might just win the election. I found this video on youtube when trump won in 2016. But i think alot of the reason why trump got in power still stand today and haven't changed... I think this video is still due today with Biden... Mostly due to the left! the left are still to blame for Trump!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs&t=173s

So what you're saying is that the right has no agency or spine. Interesting, interesting.

I wish "leftists" (this could mean anyone from Marxist-Leninists to anarchists to social democrats and anything in between so fuck knows) had as much power as people say they did, who knows maybe everything wouldn't be as fucked up as it is.

Anyway Trump wasn't elected cos of some grand conspiracy or the grandstanding of monolithic organisations but simply because he tapped into a nativist voting base and promised them what the US gave them at the heights of its settler colonialism (jobs, money and the ability to step over anyone else all coming at the cost of destroying Third World liberation movements in order to access their mineral resources). You promise a settler that and they'll vote for it, simple as that. His aura attracts what the US actually represents, the dream of achieving the heights of finance capital with the American Dream. Of course this doesn't apply if you're black or an actual Native American and the Dream crashes every ten years cos the economy keeps going through boom and boost cycles of mismanagement which wipes everyone's savings and bursts the housing bubble but its all about optics here.

Also his opposition is laughably terrible. He still barely beat Hilary, a corrupt warmonger with next to zero charisma. Somehow it'll be a close race between him and the geriatric segregationist Biden. Go figure.

Main point here is that there is no monolithic all encompassing leftist zeitgeist which led to people voting for a alleged rapist who's a bit whacky on Twitter. People getting called names on Twitter does not move global events, as much as some may wish it does. His power comes from tapping into a base that wished they had the same power they had 60 years ago. Its the shame shit as the Know Nothings and the George Wallaces of a time before but just with social media.

Trump is no more unique than Reagan going on his Alzheimer's ridden killing spree in South America, than Bush's murderous wars in Iraq, than Jackson's genocide against the Native Americans and so on and so on. Biden also wont be unique if he does those things and wins. Hell, Obama did exactly that when he drove the war in Libya forward and just look at that place today.

That's a material understanding of Trump, no idealism or bullshit just the way things go in the heart of Empire. Trump is like all every other yankee president but he just says shit upfront and isnt quite as robotic as the rest of the establishment. The Left dont play a role cos they only exist in peoples heads. The real radical movement comes from the internal colonies of blacks in America as it always has been. Hopefully this might clear things up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlOaQNrwZRo

It's about morals, integrity and the fundamental right of human decency. Trump has rejected all of that. If Trump wins again it will be because the screwed up Electoral College system puts him there. If it were up to the American people then he would never have been President (He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes).

Can he win the election again this year? Absolutely. My gut feeling is that a couple swing states that typically lean Republican will give him the push he need to get to 270. The popular vote, mark my words, will be a win for Biden though.

If trump wins again, it's due to voter apathy, depression, or voter suppression.

THIS


The polls may not be dead on accurate but they're all (even Rasmussen now, a right leaning Trump approved poller) given Biden/Harris a lead. Trump *barely* won some of the key swing states in 2016, against a very unpopularly viewed in some places Clinton. He won some (Electoral College wining) by only 1 - 3%. Those shift, and he's gone. Well, probably not gone because he'll cling to the office like the grifting limpet mine of shit he is, but he SHOULD be gone.


Also, this vid. Ugh. "Jonathan Pie". Or more accurately, Tom Walker, a right-leaning comedian who generally acts as a mouthpiece for his right-leaning comedian writers to air their views on other writers who don't talk to them at parties because they're dicks. He's a spanner.

I'm not up to speed on this guy, and don't live in the UK. But a lot of outlets describe him as left-wing (or at least a Labour supporter), and he doesn't seem very enthusiastic about Red Tories or Blairites. Could you say a bit more about what you mean when you say he's right-leaning?

Apologies if this is answered in the initial clip. I didn't bother watching through more than 30 seconds, since I just found myself agreeing with him about Clinton and being bored with my agreement.

Yeah, he basically shouts a lot and *sometimes* will make a salient point, but most of the people who write the material say they are either left-wing or attacking all sides, but in fact they're doing what the South Park guys do now - in claiming the "attack all" middle ground, they're actually just fostering cynicism and being no help at all.

One of the early key writers went on to create a tiresome social media parody of left-wingers called Titania McGrath (now sometimes being played by an actual woman on stage) and found a "Comedy Unleashed" night where supposedly anything can be said and if you're offended you're - of couse - "a snowflake" but what they actually mean is they'd quite like to go back to the 70s when racial slurs and sexism could be thrown around without any comeback. Most of the nights champions are right-wing columnists, like eugenicist crawler Toby Young, and the ever-odious Quentin Letts (a theatre critic who once tried to shut down a theatre that performed a play he didn't like).

Basically I just don't like the cut of his jib

Sounds like a horrible person so I assume he is from London!

Are leftists voting for Trump? If not, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for leftists to "cause" Trump to win an election.

If one blames persons X for another person Y's reaction to what X does,
then we absolutely have conservatives/ rightwingers to blame for
heroes like John Hinckley Jr trying to kill President Reagan,
as well as for the Russian Revolution of 1917,
as well as for the USA, UK, Australian, France,
bombing the shit out of ultra-nationalistic ultra-conservative Germany & Japan.

All justified actions.

You would then also have to blame conservatives for censorship
of racist & sexist & transphobic & homophobic jokes,
which I do not think is justified, because of conservatives forcing
these jokes down the throats of all women, blacks, gays for centuries,
resulting in the inevitable backlash by leftists.

But, according to you, conservatives caused that backlash by leftists.

If you separate out CAUSATION from WHAT'S JUSTIFIED,
and separate both of THOSE from what's LEGAL or ILLEGAL
at a given point in time in history and a given place,
then you can think & speak LOGICALLY.

I wouldn't say he's right wing. But I think the correct word is reactionary. Seems to be against the conservatives, but sometimes out of a misunderstanding of the news. And when dealing with social issues he doesn't have a great deal of understanding, "the left won't debate" is a good example, it's really not true anymore there are plenty of left wing debating channels looking to grow and for some competition. His stuff isn't any better informed than what the general public think, although at least he seems to be against the Tories and the right wing, for now.

As for whether Trump will win, the polling aggregation website fivethirtyeight estimate his chances to be 1 in 6. That's far from an impossibility, it's the same risk as rolling a dice, or if you are more concerned, the same risk as playing Russian roulette.

When I was in uni a million years ago they taught us about the famous mispredicative "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline, and how that kind of blunder could never happen anymore because we're so much more savvy about statistics, etc. This was before 2016, which turned out to be (historically speaking) a far bigger cockup than Dewey v Truman.

So as far as I'm concerned, Trump could win, Biden could win, the rest is gaming expectations.

The Russian roulette analogy still works, though.

Well you see, the thing about unlikely events is that they can happen on occasion.

The Extinction Rebellion Returns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCmdtcWKog

Let me guess: you chose Jonathan Pie's clip based on his last name,
and this is a messy fun website, right?

Yes, I've seen this clip of Pie's from 2016 post US election.
Yeah - I agree with it - I don't accuse conservatives of racism, sexism, homophobia,
when I'm fighting with them and accusing them of a BILLION OTHER bad things
& our conflict has nothing wtf to do with racism, sexism, homophobia...
as long as The Right don't use Marxist, socialist, or Communist as an insult
& don't call everyone who advocates atheism or advocates governments getting tough
on battling Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) "Marxist, socialist, or communist"
-- again - unless somebody chooses to self-identify as such.

Frankly, I think we should all agree not to use the word "Nazi" as an insult.
I keep thinking about the Nazi Oscar Schindler who risked his life & fortune to save Jews
& the Nazis who courageously turned against Hitler in WWII, and got executed cruelly
for it.

as long as somebody self-identifying as a Nazi is not knee-jerk anti-Jewish or anti-Marxist
or, extremist nationalist - or, more generally - anti-those-in-the-least-power or anti-those-causing-the-least-harm. But, I just don't see or know of many self-identifying Nazis who openly say: the Holocaust happened & it should not have happened.

Plus, honestly... do it for poor Alec Baldwin.
I thought I read or heard in an interview online that back in 2015-2016
he didn't really want to have to do Trump: not for 4 years.

I do absolutely love Jason Sudeikis' Biden,
but Jim Carrey's is totally off the charts.

But, come on... give ALL these actors a rest!

I know Larry David is happy Bernie Sanders is not President.
David did not want to fly from LA to NYC each week to do Sanders.

Enough said:

For sure, if by "enough said" you mean "please never speak again".

The only thing that'll give me more joy than seeing Trump lose the election is when he dies and I'm able to piss on his grave.

Sorry if i hurt your feelings.

Whoever wins, 50% of people will be disappointed and complain and the other 50% will be elated , just like last time, just like next time.

No matter who wins, 80% of the people overall will be disappointed, including those who voted, because both candidates are horseshit (with the obvious caveat that Trump is ebola-laced horseshit).

I've developed a theory of American politics, and so far it's held through 3 elections, and can explain all but 1 election since 1946:

1 - A party in the presidency stays in the presidency for 8 years, then the other party takes power. Rinse and repeat.

This explains most elections, but leaves 3 - 1980, 1988, 1992

2 - Of those three exceptions, in two of them, the US went into a recession within like 18 months of election day where a candidate was being re-elected.

Therefore it is likely that either #1 will happen, and Trump will be reelected or #2 will happen and Trump will be a single-term president.

Yes, I know this is most unhelpful, however the exception happens so rarely that I can't tell if it's significant or a fluke. I'm not sure if it's the data or my bias, but I think #2 will take precedence over #1.

Don't forget Truman in 1948! He came off of the FDR dynasty, but still, if we're starting at 1946 then he has to count.

No matter who wins, 80% of the people overall will be disappointed, including those who voted, because both candidates are horseshit (with the obvious caveat that Trump is ebola-laced horseshit)

See?

I am starting to worry that you might not understand words or numbers.

Do you often make a habit of worrying for strangers on the internet? chill out, you're way too tightly strung.

You're right. Good vibes only.

I'll reply in a chill poem.

If you think the thing for which I stood
is consistent with what you claimed
then you may not have understood
one or both the things above-named.

TL : DR But thanks anyway I appreciate the effort.

Why does clickbait shit like this get left posted, but moderators delete MY posts?
If you allow posts that you consider controversial by explicitly acknowledging them with a FLAME symbol, then why not do that to ALL posts (including mine): just add the FLAME symbol?

I don't tolerate illogical shitheads make excuses who preach "I defend free speech even if its offensive" but then "We deleted your post because it was offensive or violated X, Y, Z."

Wrong. That is ILLOGICAL. You can't claim you're for "free speech" but "only if its legal" excuse,
because EVERY FUCKING person or nation in the world can claim they are for "free speech" but only if does not violate the laws of their website/webpage/nation. Doesn't matter if someone
is communist, Marxist, nationalist, Nazi, conservative, liberal: they're ALL "for free speech but only if it's legal".

The flame symbol simply indicates that a thread has a lot of responses in a fairly short time. It is applied automatically by the UMD software and has nothing to do with whether a post is controversial - you'll also see it on promotional threads that get a lot of responses, though that doesn't seem to happen as often as it did some years back.

As to the rest of your comments, the world is not logical and politics is not logical. It's perfectly possible for one side in an election to cause another to win, by having some policy or even just a particular personality in a prominent position, that people in general don't like. Logic has very little to do with how and why people vote (or don't vote).

I knew there was a reason you annoyed the living fuck out of me in MFV8.