okay! so, the last session we did, we made this amazing pie filling and it splatters and coats and covers so so so rad!!! I HAVE BEEN DYING to have a big ass pie fight with ariel EVER SINCE!

i am going up to see her next week!! if anyone wants to book a pie fight custom, i have cheer costumes, nurse costumes, maid costumes, all kinds of outfits and hosiery, stockings, leggings, WHATEVER!! i mean, i want to have an all out brawl!!

so, inbox me at justaskthecheat@gmail.com and if you order this for next week i will take 25 percent off your entire custom! i REAAAAAALLLY wanna have this fight with her and this substance! im gonna have to really cover the area bc its super flingy!! yes!!!!

we can also do christmas themed too! we have christmas themed outfits!

25 percent off the pie fight custom! gimme a shout!

Sounds like the makings of a great SKYPE session too???!!!

I'd love to see the two of you do a sequel to your Snobby Sophisticated Bakesale scene. I love this scene, both your outfits and the humiliated reactions. Too good!

Who wants to see Ariel and Jayce have a badass pie fight, and wants somebody else to pay for it? Anyone? Show of hands?

Hope you girls are able to make it happen - those pies look awesome

Ruegger the snobby bake sale was my custom. It was done perfectly

Agreed. Perfect outfits, perfect reactions and setup. One of my favorite scenes.

I want to see it.........in person,

i have these outfits, actually. not the same exact ones. i have the white pants, the light shirts and the white skirts to match! i have actually said i wanted to do another one of these sets! the pie mixture we have come up with we wanna use will have to have a little chocolate in teh bottom bc its mostly white....but, it could be done!!

can someone who is a producer please explain the overhead of what a real deal pie fight COSTS with outfits, tarps, hiring camera guys, travel, and EVERYTHING ELSE including the PIES so i dont sound like a jerk? someone please put it nicely....

25 percent off an entire custom for someone is a steal. on a forum where we are pushing a product....customs....sales are just something that is an extra bonus IF we sell anything.

i just did my own 4 part production with my own substance and spent hundreds out of my own pocket and im relying on sales to pay that back....and reason i was able to pull off this awesome substance and all the work?? OTHER customs....no one got ANY customs in this substance i made....so, all the work, is my baby and im super proud of it. but doing other customs is how i saved the money to do this line of productions i wanted to do so badly.

i had a couple of people who were SUPER KIND to help me purchase supplies and they get every single video filmed in it....EVERYTHING. x rated, one girl, two girl, all of it. i give deals so i can get help. this is my JOB. its also something i love but I do have to make money. Ariel and I just really wanted to do some pies with this new pie mix that was amazing and I thought, hey, heres a good way we can....ask if someone wants a pie custom with 25 percent knocked off! we love doing this and that is about the only way we can. we cant afford to just do a pie fight of that magnitude and then rely on SALES. producers, someone chime in on how relying on SALES IS A THING OF THE PAST.

im not trying to be a jerk, steven, i just want you to understand that this is a forum where we do things like this....we offer deals... and that doing a big production like that costs a lot of money and relying on sales is a thing of the past. when we want to get messy in something that is what we have to do bc we cant afford to just have a pie fight! we are single moms doing the best we can and we actually do love this shit. otherwise, we wouldnt do it bc the overhead is really really expensive!

anyway, sorry for the coffee ramble, steven...i just want you to understand so that if you feel this way again, you can know what really goes down with producers. especially us amateurs. i appreciate your comments, though

right?? hey, someone has gotta pay for some of it. i cant!! and i really wanna use this pie recipe real bad!!

I would like to see a Part 2 to the snobby pie fight but this time, both Ariel and Jayce wear business professional attire to the nines.

Jayce: I would sponsor part 2 of the snobby pie fight but I just have the disposable income right now. Hope someone else can help, and I do hope it happens.

I sure would like in the middle of that pie fight with you too

We used to be able to get these wonderful frozen cream pies from McCain foods in Canada... choco, banana, coconut.. ( chafes) on a graham crust for $.99 each .. on sale.. pop em out of the pie plate and thaw... fun stuff.....

I might have some extra money you beautiful sexy ladies.

Hi

In today's market it doesnt pay for a producer to make a $500-750 scene like the one Jayce is proposing. Videos are being pirated all the time and this new generation of youngsters (20-25) want everything for free or no more that $5. At that rate it would take 100 sals to to get even. There is just no market anymore to produce such a costly venture That is the reason I have retired besides getting old with health problems

Lenny

Damn, Rich, did you ... did you bang that guy's mom, too?!

Sure

getting 100 sales?? omg....that happens?? lol!!!


lenny is right though....and here is the deal...with what we ask for our prices..you have to understand what we make, if we do make anything...we trash clothes, we have cleaning supplies, tarps, fucking DRAINS GET CLOGGED AND HAVE TO CALL PLUMBERS AND EXPLAIN WHY THE FUCK YOU FLUSHED SO MANY PIE CRUSTS. LOL then there is hours on end of your own editing, which we do...ariel and i pay eachother and we pay dixie even more when she comes in bc she has to travel (i also have her a place to stay, food, a place for her dog, her boyfriend, clothes, the list goes on and on) ....which we have decided we cant pay her over ourselves anymore....okay...so, add clothes that we almost ALWAYS provide our own....if we already have the supplies we almost ALWAYS provide our own supplies. we are shooting out of our home we live in. sd cards, babysitters, paying to dump your trash (yes thats a real thing!) they weigh the shit!! hair treatments bc the substances fucking wreck your hair (yes thats a real thing...we still are girls...not just dolls you can throw food at and nothing happens) shampoo, laundry, dishes, clean up (sweeping, moping, ruining your mops. lol. having to buy new ones) , paying camera guys to travel and shoot us, paying ppl to keep their mouth shut at hotels, repainting walls bc so much mess has been wiped off them, they look like shit, (we have to live where we shoot, yall) our cars, getting trashed, inside and out at the mud pit, having to have them detailed or going through car washes 3 times to get it all off, that shit costs money!!! throwing money at this person or that person just to help us lift "the tub of whatever the fuck that is" into a bin! industrial trash bags, lighting bulbs replaced, HARD DRIVES THAT JUST DECIDE TO QUIT ON YOU WITH A BUNCH OF UNRELEASED STUFF.....yeah, that happens too...lets not forget everytime we release a video BUYING ADS, TAKING OUR TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RESPOND TO YOU ALL BC WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL!!! time is money! but, we are appreciative!! . omg, i could go on and on and on....we LIKE TO DO THIS.... we have to make SOME MONEY OR ITS NOT WORTH IT TO A COUPLE OF SINGLE MOMS...even if we love it, it has to be WORTH IT in some way...bc believe me. i have done my fair share...(i can name off about 40 vids that i have done that someone just helped me buy the SUPPLIES or "sponsored" it, meaning they threw me a little money so i would do it bc i wanted to, and i still spent a lot of my own money) that i went to sell....bc i thought it would bc it was so awesome of an idea, to me.....SOLD. LIKE. SHIT. SALES ARE NOT THE WAY, YALL.
AND for the record, rich can say or not say all he wants. i still like his stuff. i still like his models, his pies and i think hes a good looking guy. i cant talk ugly about the dude bc i dont personally know him but if he doesnt come back with nice things to say, thats okay. i still like his stuff. i like lennys stuff. hell, i like a BUNCH of ppls stuff here on the umd and i know of ONE person that HATES me and i still dig her work and think she does a great job. i dont come on here to hate. i do my thing but if someone is saying that we get a better end of the deal...yeah, if you are paying models to come in for you instead of you being the model , we do make a little more than you---but you have a following----you do something totally different than us. You have a totally different set of buyers, really.... but we also have our own expenses! That is our business. we are also AMATEUR models doing this shit out of our homes when we dont have kids here. lol. i mean, we arent even in the same realm!
the best thing anyone said on here is "no one is here thinking they are gonna be millionaires" it wont happen. if you are hardcore doing wam all the time its bc you like it. plain and simple. me offering 25 percent of a simple pie fight custom with not so simple pies....
is a steal. i dont do many sales.....so, either get a pie fight with a cool new recipe with me and ariel, or dont! id love to do it but if we cant, we cant! thats life! and this is something i want to do, i have to pay miss ariel what she is worth. i am lucky to have someone like her to work with....so, thinking that we are just rolling in the big bucks ,lol, i have paid out of my cut to girls a million times. ariel usually wont take it bc shes good ppl but....i have done it....more times than i can count.

there is an explanation for you and that in NO WAY is slandering to anyone. i am just explaining. if we are still here, doing wam...its bc we love it...we just cant always afford to do what we wanna do, so i offer deals

Thank you for your kind words, Jayce. We've exchanged PMs several times but I'm sorry if I haven't publicly applauded your work much before. Truth be told, I rarely post on other producer's threads as I'm busy (like you and countless others) making new content, editing content, putting the content on the web (including hours of frame grabs and free videos), and promoting said content. (Oh, and always trying to recruit new models, which is a task far less fun than it sounds.)

The only times I get to go back to being "just" a WAM fan (like I was for 6 years on the UMD before I produced a single scene) is when I'm talking about a mainstream scene or something trivial. There I can swap jokes and be snarky and even express my annoyance at poorly-done scenes or frustrating trends, the kind of meaningless banter that I couldn't imagine offending anyone. (VERY wrong about that, apparently.)

Anyway, I hope you don't take my lack of posting as a sign of offense. On my end, I "talk shop" with quite a few producers like MG, Mark, Lenny, PP, and PZ, but I don't expect them to make nice comments on every thread I post. Or vice versa. It doesn't mean that we don't respect each other, or aren't in this together fighting against the shifting tastes of the community. (Lenny said it very well. I only hope a certain poster doesn't call him out for "nonstop negativity" over the next 3 years.)

And even though it had zero to do with me, I'll apologize on someone else's behalf for hijacking your thread. It's unfortunate there's a person in our community who will hijack THREE separate producer threads in a 12-hour period just to talk unrelated shit about someone he hates. And it's despicable that he's now seeking to actively drive a wedge between myself and other producers, as if praising your work (and others) gives him license to insult my work and MY models (who, just like you, are hard-working women not making a great deal of money doing this).

But you've had stalkers before, I'm sure, so you get it when someone follows your every move and every old post, quotes years-old PMs in public, and basically WILL NOT STOP no matter what. It's frustrating, but FBOW it's a free community.

And there's no way this post doesn't get a torrent of replies from him, so Jayce, my deepest apologies for that too. That said, I have too much respect for this community to keep engaging him. Feel free to support me publicly or privately (email, PM, website) if you want, and I thank you for that. But I'm not doing another back-and-forth.

Why not crowdsource the funding instead? There's no way I'd pay for a whole custom, but I'd be more than willing to throw down $5-$10 to see a scene I want done

that is a good idea too! i have done stuff before like,
you give x amount and you get the video first, before anyone, weeks before release

you give x amount and you can have access to video weeks before release plus behind the scenes shower footage and other footage.

you pay x amount and i will do the video more to your tastes (like an outfit you want to see wrecked, dialogue you would like to hear, etc)

you pay x amount, ill do masturbation at the end of video, which you will receive as well, with me covered in pie.

blah dee dah.....

but, it does get kinda crazy keeping up with everyone when you have ppl just putting in like, 10 bucks here and there and then you have to send that video out to all these individual people but hey, im down for that too! if it comes to that, i will let you all know! right now, i am in the works with someone, possibly
maybe he will let me throw in a couple of my new pies i wanna use bc he wants us to use some really great pies but i wanna see if he will let me throw in a couple of my own i wanted us to use! and hopefully he will let us wrestle it out at the end! i meant it when i said i wanted a PIE FIGHT!!

Jayce, it pains me to the core to admit this, but I don't want to see a bad ass pie fight between yourself and Ariel. I only want to see good ass pie fights like the ones you have previously made. I hope this does not mean a shift in quality. Keep up the great work!!!!

lol thank you dalamar i wanna just pummel the shit out of eachother with pies but its gonna be hard to make sure that we give eachother time to react!! hahaha! and then i wanna wrestle in some pie mess and make her my pie bitch!!! lol!

Y'all need to fill a baby pool with like 20 of those #10 cans of pudding you can get from the restaurant supply places and WWE that shit. Buy the shiny outfits and everything.

hahah! i saw someone with a tattoo of a wrestling belt around their entire stomach the other day...it was hilarious!!! goals!! lol XD not really but it was amazingly hilarious!!!

Problem with crowd sourcing in my opinion is when everyone puts money in they want specific things which would make it a nightmare in regard of Jayce and Ariel doing a scene when someone wants barefoot with lingerie and another wants knee high cheerleaders how the HELL can people win

shooting wam isn't cheap and i'm lucky that i have Donnylad who is willing to record content for me

very true. it is hard. if i have ppl that do that, if they want specifics, i just ask for more of a donation bc that is basically a custom if they get really specific. its not cheap to do....i mean, if someone asks if we can like, press our boobs together 5 times and click our heels, its cool. lol. but if it gets pretty specific, i just suggest they make a larger donation. bc appeasing everyone would be CRAZY! I do my best though, if i do crowd source and typically, if someone wants to see something bad enough, they are willing to make a larger contribution. which is great! but like, with the mystery substance....i had VERY FEW contributions and i asked people FOREVER! but, it ended up, i fucking loved having all that freedom....i made my own vids except ONE and that person basically pitched in on some supplies and paid the model....the rest, was all my ideas, my substance, and i am REALLY happy with it!! and if it doesnt sell, well that sucks bc i fucking love them all but hey, i had fun! so so so worth it! i am just NOW, after spending all that, not in the position to produce my own stuff at the moment! and now i am itching for a pie fight!! lol!!! always wanting more mess!! and donny does a great job, maddie! you all make some viciously awesome messes!!

It seems like crowdfunding, or informally shared sponsorships, make sense for things that are expensive but relatively straightforward, like a mud wrestling tournament with eight models or filling a dunk tank with several tons of pudding. (I would again urge MM to reconsider lifting his ban on this kind of project.)

Whereas individual customs make sense for really specific things that no one else would buy, like a pie scene where Jayce is wearing a fireman costume, carrying a boa constrictor, and singing "Take Me Out the the Ballgame."

Whether it's fair or not, I can understand why people push back when a producer/model says, in effect, "Here's a cool outfit, who wants to pay me to get messy in it?"