So, has there ever been a discussion about famous wammers? I mean, it's all speculation, but are there any celebrities that we think actually might really be wammers?

I don't know if he engages in wam himself but one Hollywood person who is a huge fan of the wam culture is Hollywood cult film director John Waters, because not only was he keen to include a wam scene in his 2004 film "A Dirty Shame", he also hired Bill Shipton of Splosh magazine to be a wam consultant for his film in order to get a better understanding of wam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XxhMFJcJT8

Bill was also hired to be the wam consultant for the Billie Piper wam scene on "Secret DIary of a Call Girl" as well....but the producers of that show interpreted wam all wrong imho...and they portrayed it as something to be mocked and for the girl to mock the guy's interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-cCtyKB2bU

MK

didnt sarah sahai admit shes into this

Sarah Shahi did indeed admit to a fetish for being pied in the face, yes. She's the only one who comes to mind as a confirmed celebrity WAMmer though.

I guess it's cool that the only famous splosher is a hot chick. :lovestruck:

Another possible celeb wam enthusiast is Katie Perry, who has done numerous messy stunts and definitely draws heavily from the burlesque tradition (humorous sexuality/eroticism expressed in song and dance.

Jimmy Fallon does a disproportionately high percentage of messy games and/or stunts on his show (pies, eggs, spit takes, etc.) and partook in one of the few pie gags on SNL (where the thrower misses him almost completely and Fallon then upbraids him for being so clumsy and uncoordinated). But that could be simply appealing to common denominator and needing to fill up the talk hour with less talk and more games/other content.

I've always felt too much gets read into the fact a celeb did something messy.

However, it's a little before my time, but I used to watch Taxi reruns as a kid on Nick at Nite. I remember a couple of years ago, where Marilu Henner and Tony Danza, who used to date, had a reunion on a talk show. They played a game where Marilu had to give clues and Tony had to guess the word.

One clue, Marilu says, "You used to like to cover my body in this" He replies, "Shaving cream", which was the right answer.

I couldn't find that clip, but I found this one from 30 years before with the same answer. Except, Tony's giving the clue and Marilu guessing.

At 1:20
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZysr3G-2k

I would say Mexican actor David Villalpando is definitely a wammer......and who the heck is he you might ask....well...you have all seen him many many times "begging" to get pie'd or slimed on tv,....and he gets very upset when one of the guests on the show fails to get him messy....and he gets messy almost every single day on this show and takes more of the mess than anyone else on this daily show....got it yet.,....

...he is the sidekick guy on the latino show "Noches con Platanito" who rarely misses a chance to get messy,.,...and during many of the messy games on this show you see him literally begging like a trained seal for the girls to mess him up.

I would love to know what magic material his tailor uses to make his suits...cos they seem to be bullet proof for getting messy hundreds and times and then they are washable and re-useable with no damage at all.

MK

Cybill Shepherd, perhaps? Here's what she has to say about that famous "Moonlighting" scene in her autobiography, "Cybill Disobedience":

"As soon as I found out we were to do a mammoth food fight, I went directly to Glenn's office and asked him if Bruce and I could get hit in the face with pies. Glenn laughed and told me that if I wanted to be hit in the face with a pie I would have to ask Bruce myself, which I did. Bruce chuckled for a minute and then asked, "Who's going to throw the pie?" I suggested someone neutral like our stunt coordinator, Chris Howel, and Bruce agreed. He and I clocked in a twenty-two-hour day for that food fight with the reward at the end being a refreshing pie in the face, accurately heaved by Chris. It was one of the finest moments for all involved."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBUMSdggEA

Xuxa definitely is a wammer, she was involved in pie scenes and food fight so many times, and usually she cause fights and messy situations. Also in the clip where a group of her assistants píe her repeatedly before they start she said "siempre quise esto" (always wants it).
Also I like to believe that Drew Barrymore is kinda wammer, or at least she enjoy some messy fun, at least she did it in some movies and tv shows.

Let's be honest... We're all just guessing here. Stringing together a few high-profile messy scenes and going, "X *must* be a WAMmer!!"

I mean, by that argument, Soupy Sales was probably the biggest gay WAM fan in history. (He's certainly pied more males in his lifetime than any producer doing male clips, and he was adamant to NEVER pie a woman.) BUT he never came out, and he certainly never claimed that his pie reputation was anything more than low-brow humor. So who knows?

I do think it's funny that WAMTEC Mark called out that David V guy on Noches as a WAMmer though. He's probably not, but he DOES have a knack for ruining otherwise great female messy clips on that show by throwing himself into the mess and/or begging the girls to hit HIM with the pies, instead of, you know, each other....

I have a really strong feeling miley cyrus is one of us

Kathleen Turner said on multiple daytime shows recently that romancing the Stone was her favorite movie she ever did, adding quickly "I got to do the mud slide six times." Does this mean she had a mud slide at her estate? I fucking hope so.

I've often thought that Dan Harmon might be. He's the creator of the TV Show Community. In the first few seasons of that show he has Gillian Jacobs and Alison Brie falling into a tub of foam and later fighting while covered in oil. There's a (lame) food fight scene. Several characters get covered in paint (Brie among them). It's just conjecture, but that seems like a lot of messy scenes for a modern sitcom. Seems likely Harmon (or another of the writers) might have some WAM interest.

Definitely not Harmon. He has said on his podcast that he dislikes food in the bedroom.

Keep in mind that this is a man who admitted to putting a Sharpie up his butt, so I think we can take him at his word.

I'm carful to read too much into things...as a previous posted mentioned...one might assume Soupy was a wammer...I guess it's possible, but I agree there should be caution.

That said, I agree with a previous poster that Katie Perry has done so many things, both onstage and at private parties, that we shouldn't assume it's just part of her "act."

Statistically speaking, there's probably some famous faces lurking here, right now, reading this..... come out dudes. You have nothing to fear from us.....

My ex (from Messy Daydreams) and I came up with a speculation that John Wayne was in a lot of mud brawls or in certain cases rather slapstick such as McLintock where there are two WAM scenes. Maureen O'Hara was in both, the other one wet in a 19th century gown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifRKu1W1fXQ

Maureen O'Hara & Stephanie Powers talk about John Wayne & the mud fight from McClintock in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKDMwytE_cI&feature=player_embedded

In addition to the mud scene and the wet scene mentioned by Twidget, the wet scene continues into a "Tar & Feathers" scene, with Maureen getting molasses on her and then getting into feathers.

I just wish that the gorgeous, sexy Stephanie Powers had been involved in some of the slapstick (she DID get spanked, which was pretty hot!).

Norman

Soupy Sale was mentioned upthread as a non-contender, but Charlie Chaplin might have been.

How about Steve Aoki? Is there any public information about why he does cakings at concerts?

Interesting article. How reliable is WhatCulture?

Norman

Years ago, I saw John Waters on the "Tonight Show" (I forget who the host was at that time, or if there was a guest host).

He held up an issue of "Splosh" and talked about how the ladies in there sit in cakes, etc., etc.

I was shocked!

Norman

I must say that the Chaplin claim has been debunked--it originated on a parody website out of the UK and both the story itself (which is certainly not one that we in the community would ever want to lay claim to, since it presents both WAMmers and Chaplin as exploitative manipulators or worse), AND the book and author that purport to "expose" this historical nugget are total fabrications. It was apparently picked up by a paper in India with a very shoddy fact-checking operation over a decade ago, and has been appearing here and there ever since, usually citing the India Times as the "source".

As for Chaplin's work itself--if anything, a study of Chaplin's films shows that he's one of those frustrating (for WAM enthusiasts, anyway) comedians who almost ALWAYS seemed to make sure that either he himself or the men in his films were on the receiving end of any slapstick indignities--most likely either out of some sense of Victorian-era chivalry or some anti-Kovacsian idea that "a pie in a woman's face ISN'T funny". It seems VERY unlikely that this dearth of female slapstick in Chaplin's films would exist if he got his private jollies by conning starlet wannabes into stripping nude for his camera, plastering them repeatedly with custard pies, then blowing them off.

Sara Sahi... don't know if it's in any way sexual for her, but she loves a pie in the face.

Pretty convinced Jimmy Fallon is.

Chris Tarrent for SURE.

Of course everyone knows about both Cybil Shephard & Sarah Shahi, but what about Nick Lachey, who even had his own segment on VH1 Buzz where he always got pied with celebrity guests which included the likes of Michelle Buteau & Eden Garashpin just to name a few.

Natasha Leggero did two long wetlook shots in the series ''another period'' dressed in Victorian swimwear, complete with leather ankle boots..
One rolling in the surf, and the next episode in the pool, same outfit, with sister Riki Lindhome dressed as a young girl , and the 'sisters' future sister in law, in period bridal gown.. This was a long scene, too.

I'm not convinced any of the above named people are real-life wammers, except maybe Sarah Shahi, because she used the word "fetish" ... and even there, I'm not 100% sure she knew what that actually meant.

(Plus, even if Shahi is a wammer, her husband is the oafish douchebag from SHAMELESS who's best known for making racist jokes about Obama ... so if anybody IS getting to mess her up, that's the guy. Ain't life grand?)

If any entertainers ARE wammers, I wouldn't be surprised if they scrupulously avoid messy stuff in their work, so as not to be outed. Look at all the shit Tarantino gets for the foot closeups in his movies.

Probably some celebs will come out as fetishists within our lifetimes (well, yours; I'm incredibly unhealthy), which should be interesting to watch.

Again, these threads are fun as long as no one takes them too seriously. I mean, if evidence of being "one of us" is taking a few pies and some waterings over a 20-year career, then heck, every single one of my models is WAY more "one of us" than any of these celebs! [SPOILER: None of my models are remotely one of us. Neither are the other models on most all other websites.]

Are there celebrities more willing to get messy or look stupid for a laugh? Sure. Does that make them WAMmers? Eh. Even the Sarah girl who claims to have a "pie fetish" sure does seem to keep it under wraps publicly, aside from a couple talk show appearances. (Which actually makes MORE sense with it being a real fetish. If pieing someone or getting pied turned you on, would you really want to engage in that in front of a studio audience and a 50-person crew??)

Anyway, Noise and I get along so I'm gonna play devil's advocate with Jimmy Fallon. Evidence that he's "one of us" includes....
1) An SNL skit where he got hit with pies (probably thrown by male crew members)
2) Numerous pie games on the Tonight Show (both men and women)
3) Water and egg games on the Tonight Show (about 95% with men)

Now, evidence that Jimmy Fallon is straight:
1) Wife and child
2) MANY incidents of him picking up women over the years in NYC (Google if you must).

So, we can safely assume that Jimmy Fallon is a straight male, and he has a high propensity towards wet & messy games on his show, but the majority of them involve male celebrities. I would argue that's evidence that he is NOT a WAMmer at all, simply because if your fetish involves messy women (either getting them messy and/or getting messed by them), then engaging with messy men is actually a very uncomfortable experience. FAR more than the average guy where WAM is not a fetish at all.

I suppose you could argue that Jimmy's playing the long game, and messing up a high percentage of male celebs to justify the few female celebs he DOES get messy, but that's a stretch.

My feeling is that any evidence of someone being a "WAMmer" has to involve an abnormally high percentage of getting the opposite sex messy (assuming said celeb is straight). That's why arguing for Alanis Morrissette makes more sense (to me) than most of the above examples... Not just with the YCDTOTV connection, but because of her propensity for engaging in pie fights with her all-male backing band in the 90s. (See the "You Learn" video for an example.)

Anyway, that was an overly detailed analysis of a very silly topic. You're welcome!

Thanks for the background, and the de-bunking of this claim!

And I agree about Chaplin's dearth of female victims. So I should have figured the "audition pieing" was crap.

Norman