A pet peeve of mine is when the model is posed in such a way that most of a mess will miss her and just wind up wasted on the floor.

For example, I just watched a preview clip where the model is crouching on the floor, leaning a bit forward. Slime is dumped over her head. A little lands on her shoulders and knees with the rest splashing off of her head and onto the floor around her. At the end of the scene, she stands up with barely any mess on her, and a mostly clean face too.

I wonder why a producer would hire a model for a slime-pouring scene, invest in the slime and the photographer and location, but not instruct her as to the pose?

In my sample photo, a large amount of green slime was poured on the woman, yet the entire front of her body is basically clean, other than her hair and shoulders.

Many videos feature the model standing while slime is poured from above. With a bit of a lean forward, most of the front of the body is saved from getting any mess on it. The head and face and perhaps the ends of the boobs get hit, but that's about all.

To me, these are very frustrating scenes. Why not have the girl leaning back somewhat, or sprawled out on a lounge chair? Wouldn't the logical thing be to get the mess ONTO the model?

Often these very videos are described as 'Girl with hot body gets slimed in bikini' or some similar description that would lead one to expect to see her fully messed up.

Does anyone else find this frustrating? It makes me want to jump into the computer screen and tackle the model into the pool of slime on the floor and say 'NOW, you're messy!'

I had a model do this.
And we literally took mess and smeared it on her face!
She called me about work bc i didn't call her for a while bc she did it twice and left us having to literally lift her head and put mess on her face. She said she was having anxiety at the time or something. Which I get.
So? When she called about more work and stuff I was like "look? What do you wanna play in?" She said sweets. So I told her "okay I'll hire you but you have to get your face totally covered!" She came in and went bananas with it. Said she loved it. I think sometimes we forget that the models aren't "us" and need more instruction or don't understand wam properly until they have done it a while.
I don't have "new hires" anymore so eberyone "gets it" and loves it. Which I LOVE. But? I think bringing in new gals? We should show them scenes or videos that kinda show what "wam" is pertaining to whatever they are doing!

A lot of my frustrations with WAM went away once I realized there are more ways to slime models than there are stars in the sky. And since a producer has never once consulted with me on how they should go about their business, I can't be shocked anymore when they go about their business in a way I don't like. I might not be interested in buying their content, but if they got what they wanted out of the shoot, I can't hate on them for doing it. I'll just keep looking.

No disrespect, but why should you be specifically consulted on what a producer does, or doesn't do? Or are you talking about customs?

That's my point: a producer is never going to consult me so I have no right to be mad about what they do. I think it's a lesson a lot of people can learn if they still get upset about wasted opportunities.

Don't forget different people want to see different things. You see it as a "waste" that they act in such a way as only certain areas are hit. Somebody else finds a model leaning her head backwards and angling her body to get it all "unnatural" and thus don't enjoy those scenes.

I've got what you're saying now. Sorry. Didn't realise you were generalising.

This is true, plus what different people see as "a waste" will vary too. To me, the worst crime in the sample photo in the original post is that it looks like the model is wearing nice tight yoga pants or shorts - but we can't see them. Arrghhh! I'm not so fussed about the lack of chest coverage, because my thing is waist / lower trunk / legs.

Not that long ago a now producer did a scene where a model in PVC overalls messed up another in an ordinary outfit, while staying clean herself, and it transpired that the PVC-clad girl hadn't got messy at all, not even in a followup scene. That utterly baffled me but presumably made sense for that producer.


Yep, absolutely. The thing I learned is that when you first tell someone new to pour mess into another girl's trousers, you have to specify to pour dead centre so it flows down to the crotch and separates down each leg, because if you don't most folk will think in terms of two pours slightly to each side, one down each leg, leaving the most important areas between the legs clean and dry.

This^

Production can't expect models to understand what this is or what we are looking for because it is highly likely, unless they have tipped their toe in this lil pond of ours, that they don't know. Actual fetish models in the NE area are far and few between (wrestlers who dig messy even fewer) so all the ladies I've worked with so far are new to this and they absolutely get into it and the reason is Because I take the time to explain and illustrate what exactly I'm looking for in my shoots. I'll either show them samples of past shoots or stored media that shows what we are trying to emulate. On set, I play a coaching role of sorts during rehearsal with both production and the models before we shoot so they fully understand what they are doing before we get into the actual scenes.

That's in part why I don't mind people's expressions but I tend to take notice of things never seen or done a certain way that really get my imagination going. Like showing less that gets the eyes to fill in the blanks with one's imagination

Absolutely! Direction is never a bad thing and can result in a scene 'working' or not.


I'm certainly never 'mad' over what I feel is a wasted opportunity. To me, wasted mess is a wasted opportunity. For example, the mess mostly doesn't land on the model, or she's in a bathtub being filled with buckets of gunge, but the plug is not in, so it's all going down the drain as fast as they pour it in.


I'm actually referring to someone standing fairly straight, rather than bending forward to use their body as a shield against what is about to fall on them. Nothing unnatural about that. On the other hand, leaning back allows for the top to be opened to allow the falling mess to go inside, as well as the bottoms which may or may not be a part of what they are aiming for.

Thanks for all the great comments!

In my case as both wam fan and photographer I can understand what are you saying, and yeah, its sometimes frustrating but as I see, it's not so bad, after all the first customer that has to enjoy is the model, I have only done three wam shootings so far and my three models agreed on something: "we were confortable", getting a girl as messy as you want takes sometimes, most of girls haven't tried it before and some others didn't know about wam existence until that day, as a begginer wam producer I get patient with my models, I understand if the girl doesn't want to get all messy the first time but with time she will, also sometimes accidents can occur, chocolate, slime and mud are semi-liquids and usually we don't know exactly how and where will they flow, sometimes you aim the slime bucket to the girl's hair but it falls in her back, other times you misscalculate the depth of the mud puddle and the girl doesn't fit in there and it becomes impossible to get muddy as you might like, and the hard part is that (as I have seen) sometimes you have only one chance to do the messy session, for example: if you are making a wetlook scene, its hard to redo the photos, the clothes are wet, the model's hair is wet, same happens in other messes I hope that you like and find my thoughts usefull, and if any producer with more experience can give me advices and reply with thoughts ill be thankful with that

I have a rule when it comes to my videos: Mess is inevitable. Everything else is the choice of the model. I won't ask/tell a model to do something; instead I'll suggest it. It's always "do you want to.../would you be up for...". If they say yes, great. If they're apprehensive, I won't push, and I'll wait until they're ready. If they say no, obviously it won't happen. Whatever the answer is, I can work the ideas around what they will/won't do to make it a good enough scene, and make sure nothing is wasted.

With both my first videos, M, and G both requested the sane colours. I got the MS Thick pink gunge which seemed to flow so much quicker than the purple gunge. With the angle I'm pouring as well (over a shower curtain rail), it's hard to aim where their head is immediately whilst trying to control the balance/weight of a bucket from such a position. In effect, the gunge went mainly over their shoulders as opposed to on their heads. Their heads still got messy; just not as messy as I'd hoped. Lesson learned for next time. The purple gunge, however, was perfect. More slow pouring which allowed the girls to move around, and position themselves for better coverage.

I did ask G to lift her head, and take a face full, but it ended up plugging her nose, and she struggled to breathe a bit. I stopped pouring to let her recover, and when she was ready, I continued pouring. I had considered scrapping the video to film a better version, but I thought, no. I'll let people see it (once I get permission to upload it). I learned from the head lift mistake, and didn't ask M to do the same. However, being the trooper that she is, she let the gunge freely go over her face.

These are learning curves that I'll take on board so as to waste as little gunge as possible.

And on top of that there's British and American slime - so you need to be speaking the right language to the right slime. Or the wrong language to the right slime.

I can't complain, I think that photo you shared is a great messing...nice hair coverage, no facial...ideal for me...maybe not everyone else. For me a wasted opportunity is pies before slime...or pies in general...instant looking up with continual facial coverage with lack of cleaning off the face is not my bag, I like to see the models face as opposed to seeing it get covered...camera angles that don't focus on the model's face/hair...far away angles...I want the camera as close to the model as possible while still being able to see all of their hair. I see videos where they stop dumping slime on the models head, and start dumping it on their body, and I'm like "YOU'RE WASTING IT!" You know what they say...different strokes, different folks. You're never going to make everyone happy, but luckily there's enough content out there where there's a bit of everything for everyone, which is nice because paying for customs to get exactly what you want (while rewarding) is a bit pricey.

I fully agree on tastes and preferences, but mostly wanted to address gunge or slime that misses the target. It could be due to random gravity and positioning aspects, or poor planning, a model leaning away from the slime to avoid most of the mess, or gunge going down a drain when it could be rolled around in. (or picked up and put back in the hair, on the face, whatever.)

I just hate to see wam substances wasted when they miss their mark.