Curious on thoughts as to why WAM is predominantly a male fetish? I know there are women that enjoy it too, but I think it's weighted heavily on the male side right?

I've come across plenty of women into it but they don't advertise it. And for good reason. Some guys on the internet are creepy as hell and don't know when to back off. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Guys think with the head between their legs more than the one on their shoulders.

Yes, but you have to define "fetish." If you define it as something that turns you on sexually, then a very, very low percentage of women have this fetish and even if they do, probably not in the same way as men...unless you think there are women watching WAM videos, getting turned on and masturbating.

Do you have any empirical data for this statement? I would love to know how you are sure of this 'fact'.

Also, why do we need to define the fetish? "Are more men turned on by WAM than women?" is perfectly fine as a question. How it happens doesn't matter when you look at a broad kink and not the minutia, besides I don't get turned on by porn in any way but am still into WAM thus I am into this fetish.

This this THIS! Look I'm not trying to be an sjw or anything, but I have a lot of women in my family, so I'm usually pretty aware of how I and other guys act around women, I'm respectful and I don't act as though every convo is a potential hook up or is inappropriate, and I'm not saying this to sound like "I'm one of the good ones" and I see myself as though I sit on top of some imaginary pedestal, thats just my legitimate character

That bring said I've heard AWFUL stories from women about interactions with random guys online, not gonna get into specifics as it's not my place to say, but most dudes online are behind a screen/phone and think that gives them free range to act lawless, stories I've heard/been told are so bad they're borderline unbelievable in the sense that you just can't fathom that someone can act THAT shitty to a complete stranger, it's a legit problem and it's a shame that nothing can really be done to curb that behavior, not in the sense that it will 100% stop, ppl can get banned or blocked or w.e to temporarily stop it, but they'll have a new account or find a way to come back sooner than later, ppl are assholes

It's impossible to say without some data, but anecdotally, I have met a large number of women who are either have some form of a wam fetish or have a fetish that is highly compatible with wam (CNC, degradation, humiliation, BDSM).

UMD is definitely male dominated, but some other platforms, like fetlife, seem to be less male dominated.

This is anecdotal, but I 100% know women who masturbate to wam videos and they are probably half the people I regularly discuss fetishes with. A few of them are not wam specific, but rather enjoy punishment/humiliation more generally, but find wam to be a good means to that end.

Ummmm Hi, I'd like to introduce you to me, 20 minutes ago, when I was watching wam videos, getting turned on, and then masturbating

I'd like to also introduce you to @CreamMeAgain, @Pie_Princess, @EricaChronic, and the countless other females on here who jerk off to WAM videos cause it turns us on.

If you think that women don't have fetishes and/or don't masturbate, it just means you haven't had much experience with women. We're people too. We burp and fart and jerk off just like you guys do.

I'll second that...

Last night I had a lovely little session in the living room on my own watching a Messygirl video

Vika. Had it coming to her. Her tied up and gunged with sausages stuffed in her mouth
Rang my bell anyway (several times in fact).

Tara xx

Sally, the sexy brunette from the escort agency who was in the receiving end of many wammings, enjoyed it.

She found it fun and sexy and used to text, asking when her next pie ing was going to be, and what outfit I wanted her in

Marry me!

And I'll be the first to admit I'm no saint either. I'm sure I've come off creepy a time or two when I was younger and just discovering my kinks and this community. But that said, I have heard of down right horror stories of how females were treated in this community (wam as a whole) and I don't blame them for being lurkers and secretive.

Dude I'm pretty sure every guy is guilty of that at some point in their life, difference is that you're not anymore and you know better, like I don't get how some guys are just saying the absolute dog shit worst possible things as like an introduction/hello to women online, I guarantee they would never say that shit to them if they were face to face, in fact I bet a good percentage wouldn't even have the balls to approach the same women they harass just to say hello if it was face to face

Bear in mind that until very recently most of society still generally thought that sex was something men enjoyed and women just endured, the idea of women actually enjoying their own sexuality is still seen as shocking verging on blasphemy by an awful lot of people.

Guys have been allowed / encouraged to have and indulge various kinks for generations, it didn't used to be talked about as much as now, but it was always there. For women on the other hand, the whole idea of sex and sexuality for their own pleasure is a very new thing. So there are still far fewer "out" female fetishists than male. Add to that the horrendously bad way many men treat women in general, not to mention the flood of inappropriate messages that will come the way of any woman who does stick her head above the parapet and state she is a fetishist, and you get a very unballanced view of the relative numbers who are into WAM.

But yes, there are women out there who get just as turned on as guys do at the idea of having their jeans filled with custard or going sliding in the mudbanks in latex, and who watch WAM videos and wank themselves silly while doing it. They're just a lot less likely to let it be known publically.

So because I think acting that way towards a random women online is scum bag behavior and I don't agree with it at all, and feel bad that women have to deal with shit like that regularly, that makes me an incel? So I'm the loser because I DON'T do shit like that and I should be called out for calling out guys that DO shit like that? Please explain how that makes me an incel

To be honest, I find that comment more offensive than guys just being guys.

The world is filling up with far too many snowflakes My opinion, and just saying.

Tara xx

I honestly get so exhausted by this. Not to diss any guys, you're all lovely. However, I'm a lesbian in a niche fetish community. (You'd think that's great! I can watch all the pretty girl videos! And I absolutely do. But I'll say straight male porn tastes and lesbian porn tastes have some pretty big differences, generally.) It can be so impossibly hard to find similar people within the wam community.

On that note, hit me up, fellow lesbians!

Oh this thread...yet again. A new one pops up at least once every year. And though the buzzwords (like "incel") and user names change, it's still the same replies, and trolls.

I think this comes as a surprise to some, but yes, women can be into fetishes too
*raises hand as example*

I've been on this site nearly as long as this site has existed, after all!

Oh hai Kelsey. Was waiting for you to comment, it was a matter for time.

There is a huge, HUGE, difference between women who have a WAM fetish (or kink), and women who present it and themselves in online forums.

If we took all of the WAM fetishists in some sample set, and counted M/F, it is probably around 50/50 within some +/- tolerance. And, in that sample, how that fetish/kink presents itself will vary into subgroups (pies/slime, fun/humiliation, dominance/submission, etc etc etc etc etc).

AND, since men and woman (in the US at least) are acculturated to the predominant mores about sex VERY differently, generally how women interact online is very, very, very, very different than men do.

Which takes me full-circle; caution not to conflate online presence with interest and indulgence in the kink.

After so many years here and on other kinkster forums, I can say (anecdotal data, but with a sample size much > 1) that there are many women into pies/slime/gunge fetish/kink.

(The irony for me is that I've met nearly all of my WAMmer female friends on sites other than UMD. Creamy and I met on some other site, before she joined UMD and has become the rock star she truly is, and she and I have been pals ever since. My other friends to whom I introduced UMD to didn't last. One called "LCP" left after some epic-level harassment from some A-hole named "Ant". She has not to be seen again. (A tale for another time). )

Women are (like nearly everyone) inherently sexual, sensual humans. But that shit gets them into a world of problems in this country (probably everywhere else in the world as well), so I'm sure we can do the math on that one.

Just 'cause you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there.

All you do is constantly whine that no one makes what you want to see, then when someone tries to offer you help or insight, you get edgy that someone had the audacity to ask you to pay money for something like a custom.

But then, the specific content you want (that apparently no one makes) isn't even possible based on your narrow schema that women aren't even capable of enjoying it?

So why are you even here? Just to be an asshole troll?

I think its 50/50 give or take. Everyone has a thing so I feel like its all about who shows up to the party.

As to why it seems that way on UMD. I THINK its a degree to which someone let's their fetish jump into their life. As men we have to masturbate every X days to stay "healthy" (yes its good for you) so I'd say sex can more often be more on our minds as we deal masturbating more often. As for women the way my wife explains it to me is more along the lines of when the mood strikes... Its not always a topic on her mind, but something that ranges from "yea I can go for that" to "I want this right now" But sometimes she can go a week or two without a thought on sex at all if unprompted by me. As to my self I cant go 3 days without masturbating (if we are not having sex) and when I do masturbate its always WAM I go to. So if I take that outlook from my understanding from what my "sample of one" has told me... my thinking is masturbation not being a MUST do every X days like it is for men may make it that they are less likely to participate in the community and or broadcast as they are not here over and over and over like men are.... BUT! Can women be more horny than men and masturbate way more.. yes, fuck yes.. that not the debate. Everyone is different. What I'm saying is men actually NEED to do it more often is what I AM ASSUMING. Once again this is a humble guess... I could be fucking WAYYY off base here... like I said its a just a "sample of one"... my wife... shes not every women. Also men are fucking creeps most of the time.. sorry but the amount of fucking cringe comments and white knight-ery and shit makes me want puke sometimes. Pretty sure like anyone they want to just be treated normally. I see a lot of worship or shitty comments around actual women wammers. As someone just stepping in its a lot to take in and they may see that and just say: "You know what? I'm good with lurking"

I have some data to contribute to this.

On my female-WAM focused YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl-01Lp1ZtYlC_IrtJkygzg), which has 2.3m views total, 7.5% of viewers are female, compared with the ~6% of the population which identifies as LGBT according to a recent Gallup poll (https://news.gallup.com/poll/329708/lgbt-identification-rises-latest-estimate.aspx).

If we make the assumption that the WAM fetish occurs in a similar proportion of the LGBT population as the non-LGBT population, then my viewership may indicate that the WAM fetish has a similar (or higher!) incidence in women as it does in men.

Disclaimer

First of all before I start this answer just going to go through the usual disclaimer. Obviously general trends about any group rarely tells you anything about individual people. The difference between group averages is typically less than the variability found in any particular group. What this essentially all boils down to we typically have more in common with each other than we have differences.

As such for the duration of this post whilst referring to men and women I do not mean all men and all women think or act in a certain way as obviously no group is homogenous, but that if I had an auditorium and I randomly selected 100 men to sit on one side of the auditorium and I randomly selected 100 women to sit on the other side that if I shouted out a question to the entire audience which side of the room I would expect to hear a higher proportion of yes or no answers from. Obviously if you want to pick one person out of the audience to talk to you'd need to talk to them as an individual. Right disclaimer dispensed with.


Fetish Vs Kink

Now then there are a couple things that need untangling from what on the surface appears to be a simple (albeit flawed) statement. Often when the term fetish is used within the forum to cover both people with a WAM fetish and people with a WAM kink as usually the difference is irrelevant however here I think there is an important distinction.

So based on the definitions that a kink is something that someone finds arousing but they don't need to become aroused whilst a fetish is something someone needs to become aroused. I've tended to find more men have fetishes than women BUT that women are kinkier than men. On the surface these two things sound pretty similar but in reality these manifest in two very different ways.

In the case of the fetish as there is a specific need for whatever it is to become aroused the fetishist automatically more invested to seek out that specific need. Once it has been found they have little need/desire to search for any other turn ons as this one already does the job so well. Some may have a few other fetishes but generally they are fewer interests than kinksters have. In more extreme cases where fetishists have multiple turn-on triggers they find they need all triggers to be present in a scene for it to work. For instance if their triggers are pie in the face, clown make-up and blue one piece swimsuit then unless a scene has all three in them it isn't going to do it for them. As such where as those at the kinkster end of the spectrum might enjoy each of their turn-ons in isolation, those at the far end of the fetishist end of the spectrum with multiple triggers are only interested in what falls in the part of the Venn diagram where all the circles of their interests intersect.

In the case of kinksters that don't require a particular thing to get off they are more able to explore other interests and find other kinks that they enjoy. As such kinksters are much more likely to accumulate a big long list of things they find turn them on and whilst some will be preferred over others they are more likely to vary up which parts of their menu of turn-ons they want to indulge at any one time. They're also more likely to be on the look out to try new kinks that they might enjoy as well.


Thought Experiment

Now consider one possible outcome of the male fetishist I gave as an example before (only likes pie in the face WAM with people wearing clown makeup and blue one piece swimming costume) attempting to interact with a kinky woman curious about giving WAM a go. The lack of content/people doing what he's looking for might make him desperate such that at the very least he comes off as either very unattractive or at worst potentially harassing (if he even cares about whether a woman uninterested in catering to his needs even stays in the community). Even if some how he convinces her to try exactly his scene it isn't like her attempting to hit his triggers that were the product of a unique set of circumstances for him are likely to help her find which parts of WAM she may enjoy.

Whilst granted only a minority of the minority that are way up that end of the fetish end of the spectrum may behave that way. The number that do means most kinky women that don't have a need for WAM realise that they probably don't need to post on the forum either, they can get the WAM material they like from lurking/checking out stores/view tv show clips on YouTube and avoid that harassment to enjoy WAM when they get that urge and check out other sites when their other kinks take their fancy. As such forums like this are likely to be self-selecting towards the male fetishist and against the female kinkster. As such may not be the best method to gauge level of interest across the genders.


Gender Stereotypes/Societal Expectations on Mess

Do I think that that there is currently an equal balance of men and women identifying as into WAM at this moment? Possibly not whilst I grew up there was very much the gender stereotype that boys were messy and gross and that girls were sweet and pretty. Whilst not always outright spoken that stereotype had somewhat of an influence on some of the activities we got. At secondary school during Games Sessions the boys were made to do Rugby, Football and Cross Country running on the natural playing fields regardless of weather (even though one connecting field during the run in rain could be argued to be a bog) whilst the Girls had Netball, Hockey and Tennis on the artificial sports fields if it was sunny or in the indoor sports centre at the first hint of drizzle. But anyway in a society in which males were expected to be/get messy and the females to do the complete opposite that many women have either never had a messy experience nor considered trying a messy experience.


Conclusion

This then raises the question of how many women may be out there that would have a WAM kink out there but don't yet know it as they've not tried it. For me based on my own personal experience of talking about various kinks with women in real life I have generally found the splosh/WAM kink right up at the easier end to find women that wouldn't mind giving it a go as well as being easier to craft a scene based on their other kinky tastes to maximise the chance they will want to try more. With the many physical (eg. the sensation play of different substances), mental (eg. empowerment or humiliation within a messy domination scene) and emotional (eg. the anticipation as someone teases them with the mess about to be poured) themes within WAM that can be explored. Along with my observation that women tend to be more willing to experiment than men. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of kinky women who might enjoy WAM (not even counting those women already into WAM) but have yet to try it outnumber the number of men currently into WAM.

Or to put it another way ...

"The problem is that God gave man a brain and a penis, but He only gave him enough blood to operate one at a time!"
-- Robin Williams

It depends on the country too. I live in Brazil and since the day I started to like pie in the face as a fetish, I have never talk to or meet a woman who claimed to have this fetish too. The closest to being able to turn my desire to pie and get pied was 3 years ago, I met a girl who got fully interested in the idea but it just didn't happen. I like to joke that, the chances of finding a woman who likes pie in the face as a fetish in Brazil, are the same chances of winning in the lottery.

I was 18 years old when i start the fetiche, now I'm 30. I have stopped creating expectations about it. If one day happens, I will take the chance obviously.

Well, the fact that KelseyRose, StickyTits2021, Tiffany, CreamMeAgain, Pie_Princess, EricaChronic, Jayce, ... are wamers tells us just that the female wamers do exist and there are at least 7 of them.

There aren't many good studies about fetishes, let alone WaM specifically.
Assuming then it's highly probable that anyone genuinely interested in WaM would stumble upon this site (being likely the largest community site concerning WaM), to answer the question about the proportional representation of men/women interested in WaM, we can them look at UMD website statistics instead and project those - or at least that's our best bet of finding a somewhat precise answer.

It's then a question for MM or admins who have access to some the web analytics of UMD to tell us what is the male/female ratio here.

Definitely not far wrong there!

Fetish behavior is largely a product of our modern civilization and the extended adolescence that goes with it. Fetish is now a depreciated term that has been replaced by something like a positive reinforced module, however, I still prefer the term fetish...

Fetish behavior is almost unknown in primitive societies and occurs primarily in males. True fetish behavior does occur in females but is very rear, less than 1% of fetishists are female. Keep in mind also that shared sexual behavior between two adults is just kinky fun and not usually a fetish as part of the definition of a fetish is that it is a solitary behavior...