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"Wam--two fetishes in parallel...?"
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OK I'm feeling all communicative. Won't last...I'll be back in remission soon; but until that day, here's another observation: I actually think that WAM subsumes two entirely different fetishes! How about that? Controversial, eh?
There are the chaps like myself (the gentlemen of the WAM world, I like to think) who appreciate it for its aesthetic qualities only - and for whom therefore the aspect of humiliation is neither here nor there - and then there are the other fellows (cruel and brutish folk, I'd wager) who like it from a sort of S&M perspective (correct my nomenclature there if it is errant...I never bothered investigating any other type of fetish so actually not sure if I have that right).
So, I'm thinking the above distinction may explain why some couldn't care a jot about a big old crust utterly covering a lady's face - just so long as she got humiliated - whereas for myself it's a total dealbreaker. Because there is just something mysteriously alluring about beautiful features covered in cream. Similarly, I find savoury WAM to be utterly repellent, but for the humiliation crowd, I dare say it's wonderful!
There are the chaps like myself (the gentlemen of the WAM world, I like to think) who appreciate it for its aesthetic qualities only - and for whom therefore the aspect of humiliation is neither here nor there - and then there are the other fellows (cruel and brutish folk, I'd wager) who like it from a sort of S&M perspective (correct my nomenclature there if it is errant...I never bothered investigating any other type of fetish so actually not sure if I have that right).
So, I'm thinking the above distinction may explain why some couldn't care a jot about a big old crust utterly covering a lady's face - just so long as she got humiliated - whereas for myself it's a total dealbreaker. Because there is just something mysteriously alluring about beautiful features covered in cream. Similarly, I find savoury WAM to be utterly repellent, but for the humiliation crowd, I dare say it's wonderful!
Here we go this should start some thought process:
You are right on, I can't speak for any others on the UMD but for me its a bit of how things look/feel but for me its mostly the humiliation. I am also very fond of S&M, Bondage and have had many D/S relationships. Its all stems from the evil that some women do. Some are simply mean, some use you for your power/money (I have been used several times) some just break your heart for the tiniest of reasons (Drama). Shaun broke my heart, spent six years in a cocaine/booze stupor it hurt so much, after something like that, one takes great pleasure in humiliating women. I like spanking them, tieing them up and fucking em in the ass for mostly the same reasons... Pushing a big cream pie in a beautiful woman's face is great, women love to look sexy, they are narcissistic on a massive level, especially models. If she is in a sexy outfit, made up to the nines, pushing her in a filthy mud hole is the best thing ever.... I have wrecked everything she loves about her self...
I have spoken to many shrinks about all of this, not much can be done, some say if I meet a good woman perhaps I may ease off, but to be honest I have never met a good woman! Most of the women I meet love to be spanked, tied up and fucked in the ass LOL But then again I am a cynical old asshole...
Phil
You are right on, I can't speak for any others on the UMD but for me its a bit of how things look/feel but for me its mostly the humiliation. I am also very fond of S&M, Bondage and have had many D/S relationships. Its all stems from the evil that some women do. Some are simply mean, some use you for your power/money (I have been used several times) some just break your heart for the tiniest of reasons (Drama). Shaun broke my heart, spent six years in a cocaine/booze stupor it hurt so much, after something like that, one takes great pleasure in humiliating women. I like spanking them, tieing them up and fucking em in the ass for mostly the same reasons... Pushing a big cream pie in a beautiful woman's face is great, women love to look sexy, they are narcissistic on a massive level, especially models. If she is in a sexy outfit, made up to the nines, pushing her in a filthy mud hole is the best thing ever.... I have wrecked everything she loves about her self...
I have spoken to many shrinks about all of this, not much can be done, some say if I meet a good woman perhaps I may ease off, but to be honest I have never met a good woman! Most of the women I meet love to be spanked, tied up and fucked in the ass LOL But then again I am a cynical old asshole...
Phil
Mud Mad Phil said: Here we go this should start some thought process:
You are right on, I can't speak for any others on the UMD but for me its a bit of how things look/feel but for me its mostly the humiliation. I am also very fond of S&M, Bondage and have had many D/S relationships. Its all stems from the evil that some women do. Some are simply mean, some use you for your power/money (I have been used several times) some just break your heart for the tiniest of reasons (Drama). Shaun broke my heart, spent six years in a cocaine/booze stupor it hurt so much, after something like that, one takes great pleasure in humiliating women. I like spanking them, tieing them up and fucking em in the ass for mostly the same reasons... Pushing a big cream pie in a beautiful woman's face is great, women love to look sexy, they are narcissistic on a massive level, especially models. If she is in a sexy outfit, made up to the nines, pushing her in a filthy mud hole is the best thing ever.... I have wrecked everything she loves about her self...
I have spoken to many shrinks about all of this, not much can be done, some say if I meet a good woman perhaps I may ease off, but to be honest I have never met a good woman! Most of the women I meet love to be spanked, tied up and fucked in the ass LOL But then again I am a cynical old asshole...
Phil
You are right on, I can't speak for any others on the UMD but for me its a bit of how things look/feel but for me its mostly the humiliation. I am also very fond of S&M, Bondage and have had many D/S relationships. Its all stems from the evil that some women do. Some are simply mean, some use you for your power/money (I have been used several times) some just break your heart for the tiniest of reasons (Drama). Shaun broke my heart, spent six years in a cocaine/booze stupor it hurt so much, after something like that, one takes great pleasure in humiliating women. I like spanking them, tieing them up and fucking em in the ass for mostly the same reasons... Pushing a big cream pie in a beautiful woman's face is great, women love to look sexy, they are narcissistic on a massive level, especially models. If she is in a sexy outfit, made up to the nines, pushing her in a filthy mud hole is the best thing ever.... I have wrecked everything she loves about her self...
I have spoken to many shrinks about all of this, not much can be done, some say if I meet a good woman perhaps I may ease off, but to be honest I have never met a good woman! Most of the women I meet love to be spanked, tied up and fucked in the ass LOL But then again I am a cynical old asshole...
Phil
You cruel brute! (As Zozotown so poetically put it!)
Actually, I love humiliation, too!
Norman
For me WAM is about physical pleasure. I consider myself a "pie-sexual" meaning that wam w/o sex is somewhat pointless other then for comedy purposes. I enjoy the humiliation aspect for myself as you can probably tell from our vids. Of course the sex aspect has to be mutual and for the enjoyment for all involved. All hail the orgasm brought on by WAM!
zozotown said: OK I'm feeling all communicative. Won't last...I'll be back in remission soon; but until that day, here's another observation: I actually think that WAM subsumes two entirely different fetishes! How about that? Controversial, eh?
There are the chaps like myself (the gentlemen of the WAM world, I like to think) who appreciate it for its aesthetic qualities only - and for whom therefore the aspect of humiliation is neither here nor there - and then there are the other fellows (cruel and brutish folk, I'd wager) who like it from a sort of S&M perspective (correct my nomenclature there if it is errant...I never bothered investigating any other type of fetish so actually not sure if I have that right).
So, I'm thinking the above distinction may explain why some couldn't care a jot about a big old crust utterly covering a lady's face - just so long as she got humiliated - whereas for myself it's a total dealbreaker. Because there is just something mysteriously alluring about beautiful features covered in cream. Similarly, I find savoury WAM to be utterly repellent, but for the humiliation crowd, I dare say it's wonderful!
There are the chaps like myself (the gentlemen of the WAM world, I like to think) who appreciate it for its aesthetic qualities only - and for whom therefore the aspect of humiliation is neither here nor there - and then there are the other fellows (cruel and brutish folk, I'd wager) who like it from a sort of S&M perspective (correct my nomenclature there if it is errant...I never bothered investigating any other type of fetish so actually not sure if I have that right).
So, I'm thinking the above distinction may explain why some couldn't care a jot about a big old crust utterly covering a lady's face - just so long as she got humiliated - whereas for myself it's a total dealbreaker. Because there is just something mysteriously alluring about beautiful features covered in cream. Similarly, I find savoury WAM to be utterly repellent, but for the humiliation crowd, I dare say it's wonderful!
I don't think it's controversial..or, and please don't take this the wrong way, particularly new. It has been discussed before here and I agree with most of your analyses.
It seems those of us who ike the humiliation side of wam don't care abbout the feel and texture etc. many of us don't even self-wam..I never do.
I would take issue with your tongue-in-cheek bit about gentlemen and brutes.
I am nice, kind, gentle in rl. But fantasies are just that, fantasies. These things I would hate to happen to anyone in rl..I would be mortified. But as a fantasy it works.
but yes..it has been said before, and will be said again..WAM is very much divided along very clear lines
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For some of us, the humiliation side of WAM is not at all about being dominant. If I were to get pied or muddy in public it would arouse me. If someone noticed that effect it would embarrass me. Then I would be at their mercy like a jack-in-the-box toy that goes off after cranking up the "dirtiness". It's a compounding effect where messy humiliation begets the humiliation of being subservient to sexual response, and there's no stopping that ride once it gets going.
When I see images of women getting messy I fantasize that there's something in them that gets off in the same way. And that every squish, plop and smear brings them closer to the orgasm that we're all driven to share. So, more of an empathy trip for me.
When I see images of women getting messy I fantasize that there's something in them that gets off in the same way. And that every squish, plop and smear brings them closer to the orgasm that we're all driven to share. So, more of an empathy trip for me.
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