Devo77 said: Wonderful pics of Molly and Lauren, RevSlymsford!

RevSlymsford said:

Honestly there are times when I wish my thing wasn't one girl staying clean, as I always end up disappointing so many people.

Oops said:
I'm intrigued by this "thing" -- not least because I'm a big fan of the revenge trashing scenario, but -- of course -- each to their own!

But the "one girl staying clean": can you say more about what you like about this dynamic? Genuinely curious

RevSlymsford said:
Here's why I am weird (and why when I make scenes for my own tastes, they don't sell ).

The mot important thing for me in a wam scene is *not* the girl getting messy...it's the delighted reactions of the clean girl or girls. That's literally where my primary attention is. I barely look at the girl getting trashed..it's all about the reactions of the girls dishing out the mess. I love gloating and joy from the girls doing the trashing, and (pantomime level, acted) unhappiness from the 'victim'.

Now, if everyone ends up messy anyway, that kills it stone dead for me. I really really want / need someone to escape clean in that moment to be able to enjoy a scene.

Now..a separate scenario set in a different time frame, where revenge is sort by the victim, and this time she stays clean while the other girls are trashed...perfect. I am all for revenge in that context....but for me, the joy of wam is in watching girls who are staying clean look delighted (and Kacie does that really really well) and in the context of that scene / timeframe I need them to stay clean.

There is an absolutely perfect Man and Wife 'opposites day' scene where another model tries to set up The Wife to be trashed...but instead all the mess goes on the girl who was scheming. The reactions of both girls are perfect...and The Wife stays clean. If she had got a bucket of mess at the end..it would have killed it dead for me. That may not be my favourite non-commissioned wam scene, but it's certainly in the top one

There are a few others of us here. But we are a small small minority.

Oops said:
This is *so* interesting -- thank you! Aside from the immense graciousness with which you've responded to my impertinent enquiry, you've offered a fascinatingly insightful answer.

What you say about the dynamic whereby it's the reactions and responses of the girl doing the trashing, not the girl getting trashed, that are the focus of the viewer's interest and excitement, makes a lot of sense. After all, sadistic gloating and a wicked sense of messy inventiveness do contribute hugely to the enjoyability of a scene. And you are absolutely right that the "revenge" scenario by no means excludes the principle of "one girl clean, the other girl(s) trashed."

In fact, the scenario you sketch -- a different time frame, in which revenge is sought by the victim of a previous scene, and this time she stays clean -- is indeed, as you say, perfect. In the light of this reflection, I'm going to review your wonderful clips -- I think you've just discovered a way to make them even more compelling for me than they already are with my predilection for the punishment or discipline scenario. Many thanks again, Rev: you're a gent *and* a WAM scholar!

RevSlymsford said:
Thanks so much for this really kind reply. I always enjoy reading your posts and thoughtful insights.

I am glad that I was able to help in some small way.

I do think we have a lot of alignment in our tastes in many ways